V. Sotto Medical Surgery Spectacle

[estoyse]

Observations

Madarieta, in a dyLA interview, raised some good points on the issue:

One, that the medical team's choice of the operating room instead of the emergency room for the operation was correct because it allowed better control of the situation.

Two, that there seems to be an effort to protect the identity of the patient during the videotaping, as the footage did not show the face of the person being operated on.

Three, that it looks like those allowed to watch the operation were only medical people and their presence was not surprising considering the unique nature of the case.

Four, that there have been instances when members of a medical team doing the operation clap their hands for a job well done and for saving another patient's life.

Madarieta was, of course, not preempting the result of the investigation conducted by Vicente Sotto Memorial Medical Center (VSMMC) officials that DOH 7 will review.

VSMMC was supposed to hold a press conference on the matter yesterday.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb...editorial.html


so what do you guys think...

1. either could be use
2. so wats d pt? dat its ok to do dows things bec d pt. face was nt shown?
3. as far as i no, even med. people who r nt directly connectd wit d operation r nt allowed 2 go inside d operating theatre
4. clap hands 4 a job wel done? yah...!!! ryt... how about the "ibalik bai ibalik... hehe..."? buhaton kha sa iya 2 unsa kha mafil nya hehe...

[mustrufnuthn]

@omad

i read all your post and looks like you are directly affected by this scam...
you're more worried compared with the nurse johnny22aa...

if the people around the world are narrow minded and not to think that this is an isolated case, then they will think twice or never hire our nurses and/or doctors...

if other countries will never hire our nurses and/or other medical professionals, then its their prerogative...

what we can do now is wait for the result of that case filed by the "jan-jan" against the people who he filed with.

[infoseeker]

@omad

i read all your post and looks like you are directly affected by this scam...
you're more worried compared with the nurse johnny22aa...

if the people around the world are narrow minded and not to think that this is an isolated case, then they will think twice or never hire our nurses and/or doctors...

if other countries will never hire our nurses and/or other medical professionals, then its their prerogative...

what we can do now is wait for the result of that case filed by the "jan-jan" against the people who he filed with.

ill aggreeee to this

the damage is done

surely "filing case" will be pursue
the longer it takes- samot madaot ang "medical community" nato

(maau gani- dile ting-klase- i dont have idea wat wil happen if during ting-klase)

surely mogawas pud ang leak kung kinsa mga responsible

[cebu1029]

unsay balita sa investigation sa VSMMC?

[zney25]

unsay balita sa investigation sa VSMMC?

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb....of.abuse.html

[rainwax]

dapat lang jud dili xa muatras..kay mugara basin daghan pa ni cla mabiktima..
luoy au ubang doctors and nurses na nagtinarong...
na a pud possibility na ma-black listed ang nurses ug doctors internationally..

[taga_ipil]

Saksi: Medical staff in 'surgery scandal' faces charges

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/21312/Sa...-faces-charges

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/21263/Do...ace-admin-raps

http://www.gmanews.tv/largevideo/rel...'d-surgery

[JeffCee]

way tooo bad`

[footlose]

"quote ni johnny22aa"

BRO!  it's only one incident.  it doesnt speak for the entire med profession here.  kung ikaw maglagaw sa imong kinabuhi, apilon diay nimo imong asawa? imong pamilya? imong anaK? swerte gud nimo! basin ikaw wa kay kaugmaon, sobra ra ka kasensitive nga ang issue sa uban i apil nimo sa imong kaugalingon!

im really sorry for what happened sa sotto but im gonna make sure it wont affect me.  i would still provide the utmost service to my patients even it happens again (god forbids).  reputation? yes, it matters but it matters more if this chickens you and let other people downgrade you just by mentioning this video, in the end you put your OWN repuatation at stake. 

if others starts to mention it to me, then this would be a challenge to show Im world class, bsan unsa pa na ilang i istorya, ngano magpalabaw man kuno cla nato?  maug sa ako na nahitabo.  it only downs u if ur feeble minded.

about teri hatcher, she's also feeble minded kung hisgot2x na pud cya ana. this is the time to prove to them its only isolated, and this wont happen to us.  mosugot diay kataw an ra pud ka? IKAW kung anad naka ana nga experience sa imong kaugalingon, ayawg apila ang entire med profession.  let teri hatcher's cackle melt you!

maayo ra pud wa ka nag nursing, im sure PNA would so sorry to YOu!

I'll just give you a short example.... My cozin apil siya sa leakage....  Katong last leakage sa nurses.... adto siyag texas.... nangaply graduate siya cebu doc... which is kalidad jud nga nursing skul... haa?? 

Pass na siya biography... everything is fine nata....  Until nahibaw-an ang Date sa iyang pag board... Apil d.i siya sa  JUNE 2006 leakage... and poooof.....  All hell breaks loose....  Wala na siya madawat sa Hospital ngadto sa texas... so ni BALIK NAJUD SIYA DIRI SA CEBU... ni retake siya... after a year.....

see the IMPACT  LEAKAGE RATU BRO... Samot nani.... youtube??  billions of people all over the world can view it...   nganu gud tawn naka ingon ka nga dili maapil ang medical practitioners ani?? 

ANd you said about proving something how can u prove something if "bisag madawat lang sa trabaho wa nakai chance...." Get the point??  can't u see the anger of most people  posting in this thread??

try to analyze that.... diba mag lagut sad ka....  tungod sa lain tao... madamai imong kaugmaon....

agree ko nimo bro. di man gud ni siya kasabot kung unsa ang impact ani.. nagdamgo ra ni siya.. nagtoo ni siya nga limpyo gihapon kaayo ang ato reputasyon..... hell damaged na kaayo..

we just have to realistic.. basaha ang post ni bai omad above.. kay kato mas klaro pagka explain.

[johnny22aa]

from me:  4/17/08

bradderr, bsan naa pa na sa akong atubangan ang video all the time, wa koy pakialam bsta buhaton nako ang angay nkong buhaton. so what if the video sells hotcakes? what im taking is about my own reputation as a med profession abroad. of course i would feel remorse on what happened to the patient ug sa mga tao ilang na apektahan.  pero i have my own job to do.  so be it kung makatag na, let the worst come if thats what you think.  if mga puti tries to belittle me by mentioning that sotto incident, as a filipino i would humble down to 'em about that mistake but as med professional in front of their GOD DAMNED face, id just head up as if i say i can still do an excellent job.   AND THIS SHOULD BE OUR ATTITUDE! dli ta moapil ug ti orok, para ka2 lng nga kaso!

from omad:  4/18/08

you can continue your cat fight later but let me stress a point,

Johnny22aa:

we won't know the exact impact of this "VSMMC issue" in the global medical field until we hear from you or your fellow healthcare providers firsthand job-hunting experience in the future. you're right, it doesn't matter "even if this video plays in front of you all day long". of course it won't matter as much to you because you are "a nurse" and it's not in your job description to hire one. that's an HR's or hospital admin's job to hire one. got the point?

common sense tells me it matters greatly if it plays all day long in front of hospital HR people all over the world, those same people who gets to decide who to hire and not hire. see the difference? let me ask you again, does it matter now? 

you can say: "wa koy pakialam bsta buhaton nako ang angay nkong buhaton" or "kung naa nata sa US, i prove nato nga we are world class" over and over again but what if you or any nurse won't get hired in the US because of either the "nursing board exam issue" or "VSMMC Issue"? how can you show your world-class qualities then if that's the case? mind you, working in Manila all your life is not "world-class".

see? you have to get hired in the US first before you can show them what you can do. so for now, just wait until "YOU GET HIRED" before opening your yap about showing "mga puti" what you can do. don't start getting cocky as if it's guaranteed you'll get hired 100% in the US, UK or any other country for that matter in the days to come. there are a lot of obstacles in that direction even before both issues came about. it seems to me that you're already counting the chicks before the eggs are hatched.

sometimes being humble and just doing your best without mentioning it would be appreciated more by people in my opinion.

it's true that Filipino nurses BEFORE didn't encounter problems when they applied abroad but that changed right after the "nursing exam issue of 2006". even if 90% of future medical field applicants get hired abroad without any hassle but having the rest (10%) running into some problems relating to what ranZter shared then IT IS STILL A BIG IMPACT no matter how you play spin doctor with this issue.

now you have two more negative issues hanging over your head aside from the existing hurdles that a medical practitioner should overcome when applying for medical jobs abroad. just do the math.


from me:  NOW

bro, first of all this is not a cat fight and i hate my opinions to be called one.  i will also stress my point to you from your own point. 

i agree we still dont know what's the exact impact on the issue yet im not hoping it would be disastrous to me and my fellow med professions here and abroad. why are you hoping that it would hit you? that means you are expecting EVIL things to your life and will keep on happening to you till ur last breath of existence and to your last generation.  what im expecting is even this buzz keeps on lingering other people's mind, SO WHAT? i mean everybody should think like this.  i have a job to do and i deserve to be have a happy one bsan pila pa na ka scandal!

you're correct, we will be job hunting for abroad in the future.  and i expect my future employers puts a great deal on my resume, my work experience, my academic background, my personal information, character references and of course my performance on the interview.  this is what im expecting for "big thinker" HR personnel & hospital admin looking for broad minded med professionals. yes, ur correct, this is reality.  and it's another reality for PEA-BRAINED HR personnel and hospital admin. pretty sure dli na cla magduha2x ug hisgot anang sotto incident as if all filipinos are part of it.  no doubt bisan sobra na ang shortage sa ilang facilities, they'd never put it out on their minds ka2ng video ilang nakit-an bahin sa sotto! and i make it a point those are of your kind nga di jud mohawa ug magpalayo nimo coz thats what you want and ur expecting in the 1st place. 

yes, i would certainly say nga wa jud koy paki bsta buhaton nako ang angay nko buhaton with a WORLD-CLASS motiff.  ang2x naman sad manghilabot sa mga buluhaton sa uban? u should concentrate on what ur doing, otherwise wa juy employer mo hire nimo. ti-orok na lng kas inyo.   and of course there should be a standard, a world-class level.  first of all, that's the reason US chose pinas because we have the potential to be one (our english advantage is a big, big one!) even there are still big challnges to face. ang2x naman sad mo mentener ka sa level ka2ng nakit an nimo sa sotto.  im sure mao na imong ganahan, let it haunt u, deep deep down. FOREVER.   

i again agree with u braader ka2ng nursing board issue.  korek ka naglisod jud ang uban, dako kaau tong hassle jud.  i have a cousin pa man gli nga nag utang2x ka2 nga time.  but did they give up? HELL NO.  so what if prc or nclex or your employer sa US decides to let you take again? pili, mag nurse ka or mamaligya na lng kag kuchilyo?  kung ganahan jud ka mag nurse sa abroad, ul do everthing to make it happen.  no matter how hard it is.

yes bro, even before nag decide ko moskuyla ug nursing.  ga expect na jud ko nga mo abroad ko ug mo trabaho dd2.  petitionan ko ug h1b working visa or green card sa akong employer. thats how i see myself after im done sa skul.  nganong mog tuga2x kuno ug skuyla aning kursoha kung kbaw ko wa koy padulngan.  and bro, im opening my yap not for the sake of arguing but because i know my abilities sa linya sa trabaho, no matter how many scandal is.  mao ra jud na akong point.  and im saying this should be everyone's elses thinking.

u say ur anticipating for IMPACT that'd be felt soon.  ur correct, it's like lozada!   but look at lozada right now, asa naman cya?  have u thought about flor contemplacion?  ngano preferred man ta sa mga singapore employers more than any other ASEAN countries in terms of it professionals, med workers?  sarah balabagan, nganong ang dubai is already the preferred job destination sa ato next to saudi.  sa japan, bsan we here japanese nationals are on a threat from crimes here or our japayukis have work issues there? JPEPA? why are they starting to get nurses and caregivers to us? kung ganahan ka, apilon nato c rizal, ngano ang spain already proposes  to hire caregivers?  cant u just c d glittering gold aside sa sotto incident?

ur absolutely correct bro na being humble doing ur best without mentioning is more appreciated.   but u cant just let others say na ang nursing wa nay kaugmaon just because of that incident.  im doing my best to defend that this is just an isolated incident and this should not affect the whole med profession.  and that's all this forum "istorya.net" can do, mention by typing and posting what's on ur head.  kundi puydi pa lng mo tumbling atubangan NIMO wyl gabasa ka ani, y not!

i dont need rithmetic nor job issues to dwell upon, for christ sake.  maybe ur just getting more involved on the sotto issue rather on own self bradderrr!