Is Evolutionist Science worth believing?

[tripwire]

_________________________________________________E choing ms. tripwire's; "... creationism only proves to disprove evolution..."_____________________________________ ____________
This is a valid argument.
theory#1 proved theory#2 is wrong therefore theory#1 is correct. _________________________________________________

Actually, the argument goes like this; creationism validates what evolution does not... since a theory it always be a theory. However, creationism will always find loopholes whenever evolution fails to validate which is really sad. Why? Because creationism is a dead-end route (sorry to be blunt). Imagine if we all just follow one version of the story... would there be major improvements? Yes/No? My humble opinion only. All is well, God Bless.

[rcruman]

You know, I always thought God created the world and all... He just forgot to mention evolution...

do you think so?

Peace!

[diatabz]

do you think so?

Peace!

Uhhhhh isn't that what my post said?

[NASYO]

Luoya ni Adan ug ni Eva ana oi..

Basin unggoy diay to sila..

Ahehehehehe..

Mapa-Creationist man o Evolutionist, WALA problema, maminaw lang sa "IMAGINE" ni John Lennon,

SOLVE na..

[Tattva]

interesting subject...about black holes in the universe

https://www.istorya.net/forums/index....0.new.html#new

[tripwire]

Here's what the catholic church have to say about this whole thing:

"Concerning biological evolution, the Church does not have an official position on whether various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him. "

Perosnally, I like the explanation. Catholic does not force anyone to believe - it's tantamount to know it for yourself.

source: http://www.catholic.com/library/adam..._evolution.asp

[Mr.Ho_chia]

so, since evolution as you have said isn't like creation. care to show your scientific evidence? tell me, VP sinyalan, how did your grand papa --- the rock turned himself to be a living form and eventually you? I know I have faith in my GOD that created everything.

Of course, creationism is none comparable to evolution! Period! Didn't you read books about evolution as I have told you to do? You keep on arguing the same issue... don't take it from me because as you said, you don't get nothing from me, remember? So, go ahead read and be enlightened. I like to quote ms. tripwire again... "creationist prove to disprove evolution...". Have you heard or life in Mars? research on this ho chia... that includes your rock questions. Don't take my word for it because you don't get nothing from, correct?

do you employ the same faith to your evolution? oo nga pala science.... without evidence lang just a mere declaration by a bunch of apes turned humans. speculations and imaginations! bwahahaha.

Do I employ faith on evolution? Nope! Do you employ science in creation also? Just like as Adam and Eve and 8 people survived the great flood proved that we came from them?

yah I can prove that evolution lack evidence.

Just as like your faith in creation. Hey, there is/are no scientific records of that as well.

from the state of nothingness, boom.... there came magic matter the dirts, converge in boom a space in an area of..... boom.... immense heat.... magic energy that is. and then.... magic boom... the universe!
science? where is science there? hahaha! magic there is, science none!

Here you go again, ho chia. Science do not employ magic... your creationism is. Now, where can you read all those that you mentioned? In Daily Magic Magazine? or Global Gazette? or Scientific Non-Fiction Magazines? If you go to a Library (which I don't know if you do) where exactly those books belong? Non-fiction? Magic? Unscientific? Religion? who has the highest field of study between creationism and evolution? Here's magic for you... 4 days, god created the universe! Tell me that's not magic... oh right, he is god! He can transform anything with his power... JUST LIKE MAGIC. Do you still think that evolution is magic? tawn sab ka pre.

and then the earth cooled down for millions of years and then boom none stop raining that became the ocean!.... then magic wand strike again grand papa rock became a floating spongy soup... then boom... what do you know? magic... a single cell amoeba!... that transformed into dinosaurs, the biggest elephant, maybe, jaws and kingkong.... and then the apes and then you!

didn't your god created the universe in 4 days tops? That's so fast! considering that the universe is wide open space.

science. bwahahaha! magic-- religion and you!

oppss... does creation employs magic, religion and faith to a non-existent god?

refute it with scientific evidence please. hagbay na nako pinangayo evidence, nausa... ang VP cge man kalimot oi. VP Alzheimer's ba? bwahaha

tsk.. tsk... envious eh? well, you can't fathom the evolution process that's the bottom line here ho chia (nars man unta) at least you can still hold on to your faith in creation - which again, non-scientific. Can you prove that your god made all these without using his abracadabra?

that is exactly my point of view as well. totally different. creation science and evolution. surely one should be wrong than the other. And you never answered the same issue throned at you for the nth time already.
sinyalan if you use your head and think a little more if you agreed with ms tripwire that creation is here to disprove evolution don't you think that evolution is here just the same? hehe. sus sinyalan, life on mars. too bad.... that does not prove anything at all. not evolution otherwise it will no longer be a theory but a scientific fact right? and life on Mars may not at all be too convincing and interesting to have not mass hysteria in the scientific community that will translate into media circus. you see, again it will all go down to assumptions, speculations. imagination and a great deal of HOPE and FAITH!

Creation as I have said is based on faith in GOD, I hope you get it, and understand that already by this time. but evolution, transforming dirt to be everything is as magic as any reference you will have in the field of wizardry and enchantments. It is not science, I hope you got that too!

Again this is about evolution and proving it to be a science and scientific and the evidence is very elusive for the last 1 and half century already.

yah if science does not employ magic, what do you say about the beginning of everything in evolution? science? you insult your intelligence for believing that you came from a rock and say it's science! but if you say it's religion and in the supernatural realm then any average individual will understand that and your intellectual capacity will not be compromised. because that is the very thing you are so overwhelmingly so focused about.

don't hid in the guise of "this evolution is too hard only a few gifted like me can understand" hehe! that's a big fat lie. Evolution is so simple to understand, and so easy to spot the loopholes and the manipulation of facts to sustain this unproven theory!

[Mr.Ho_chia]

I go for Evolution... not that I don't believe in God - it's just my personal choice.

that's not a problem, it is indeed your choice. but to flaunt it as a scientific fact, is no longer the evolutionist private ritual of belief. it is then open for public scrutiny, lest we will be victimized by another eager "heackel" in the making.

[Mr.Ho_chia]

i think you are having a hard time understanding what science is about mr ho, SCIENCE never claims ABSOLUTES. kaya nga PROVISIONALLY ACCEPTED, coz they are OPEN/INVITING BETTER ONES...

faith as evidence doesnt CUT IT.IMO....

lets say I believe in ET, I only have FAITH on my side...no more no less, just FAITH...most RATIONAL people would say: "why in the world would I believe in you"....I would.

gets the point?

I understand science M666, it has been a part of my life. Provisional acceptance is not a basis of fact. it is something to hold on too until such evidence is available. it means a work in progress, we can never use it to build another hypothesis for another possible theory.

it just mean that this is the best you have for the meantime, even if that best doesn't really mean anything at all. although it's better than nothing at all.

and if you say you have a scientific theory on how ET came to be........ then surely any rational being will say, provisional acceptance of ET existence because of ET scientific theory of probable evolution. can you see how we can do manipulation here?

gets M666?

[Mr.Ho_chia]

@Mr.Ho_chia

Actually thats what our Lama told us. The buddha nature will never be lost, its stays there. It will never fade.

"clouded" is a sign of confusion? So far Mr.False accuser you have nothing to show to me that i am confuse. unlike you, let me quote it again..."Mix breeding man ng zebra-giraffe-horse",hahahaha. A wannabe creationist, mix breeding? pfft! A creationist who believes in mix breeding between two kinds. hahahaha.

here is another misrepresentation..."life came from a rock" ? huh? Biological evolution has nothing to do with life starting from a rock. hahaha. Maau jud ka mobali ug storya noh, liwat ka sa YAWA. hahaha.

Its compatible because evolution is a religion? wow...If thats how you see it then maybe you need to study further. Dont just stay in a creationist site try other site. I can only say that youre a blind victim of creationism.

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Organic evolution is another way to prove evolution but i dont subscribe to its idea. what i believe is Common descent where biological evolution is covered.

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Now iwanted to say more but ill stop right here because you are playing all this time, Your point has been going in circles, the answer to your question about how micro can go macro had been explained already. i even gave you some questions for further clarification but you REFUSE to answer it. How can i prove my case further if you are not honest with our discussion? You are going in circles my friend.


listen to your lame excuse...

"sir why would i dignify your questions with an answer? you see sir (forgive the language ha)... you don't go speculating and as people to show evidence that will disprove your speculations and if none you will assume that your speculation is true/fact? can you see that?"

hahaha, speculating? hahahaha. Sa tinood sir wala kay matubag. changes in allele frequencies, mutation, natural selection, genetic drift are speculations? pfft. Even creationists will use microevolution to support their claim for the different species we have today.


empirical science? Define it.

naa pa macroevolution? define it.

then kung gusto pa ka makabalo kung gi unsa pagka micro to macro...ANSWER MY QUESTIONS in my previous post. Cgruo nasayop ka noh nya gusto ka mobawi sa imong sayup mao ng mo buy sa ka ug time nya ginagmay tuyok hangtud ma correct nimo imong sayup.

Sir tubaga sa akong pangutana osa ka mo ingun nga speculation.

really the buddha never fade? i did't see any monk so angry as you. devoid of patience and limited in tolerance. maybe their was no buddha in you after all. may be your not a monk but a monk...ey. hehehe.

yah its not mix breeding its evolution right? so maybe if you see, a microsoft excel, word and powerpoint, since they have alot of similarities in their progam, you will as well assume that microsoft word evolve from power point and evntually became excel. BWAHAHAHAHA!

why won't you capture one and print it on a huge TATTVA Science Book.... Found Missing link to evolution! hahaha. I wonder why no big time scientist have ever done that. Hmmm...... maybe they don't think like you after all. Bwahahaha. You indeed have your own brand of evolution... the monk evolutionary theory!

really? life form evolve from where monk? ako liwat sa yawa? bwahahaaha. ikaw na fake monk.... you don't even understand evolution and its entirety. Evolution attempted to expalin the existence of everything. ah, oo d i, before i forget, you drop everything that your mind cannot comprehend and say nga dili na part sa evolution. what a big fake monk!

tattva, kanang imong biology evolution, asa man gyud d i nag sugod ang life form? GOd created life form and everything evolve from it? if it is so, what did GOD created first (life form). if not, how did life started? let see be... if im wrong in saying that life came from a rock according to evolution. please monk!

naks, i need to study further? you can't even give a single evidence your best one to prove evolution! I think monk, you should read more about evolution. you are even ignorant on how everything started, and the first sign of life in evolution. tsk tsk tsk. you have been deceive, there was neve a Buddha in you. you are confused and lacking in logical reasoning. pahuway sa noy. kay hago ra ka.

so where did the first life form in your common decent theory came from? have you noticed the elusive "missing links"? bwahahaha.

That's what people with no clear cut evidence is saying.... you listen to me that is the answer believe it otherwise you will go in circle, i know its true and you can't understand it. because i imagine too much and my assumptions tells me the my speculations are the best evidence... sort of provisionally accepted! bwahahaha! and that is scientific!

well monk. that is not science at all! it's like meditations of the true Buddhist monks. they got it so there Buddha will never fade, unlike others who assume they have but they don't at all... to late! too LatE!

Hehehe, wa koy tubag? ikaw sir duna? i publish na sa science book sir.... no evidence to disprove evolution theory there now a scientific Fact! ka nindot na sir. suwaya monk!

define it?

waka ka sabot empirical science? ako nato g-explainan imong ka uban kay wa pud cya kasabot. pataka lang yawit nga macroevolution kuno is an empirical science. Bwahahaha.

ako ma define paranimo what evolutionist lingo is so intense about-----> macroevolution? bwahahaha. pahuway nalang sir, pag monk! ug ayaw kaun karne, utan ra. arun maka meditate ka pagmaayo, ma wa imong confusions. bwahahaha!

30% speculations, 30% assumptions and 40% imagination!