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[aya_diwata]

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communism is idealistic, but not applicable to human beings because of the human factor of greed, maski asa nga na implement ang communist nga government, murag nihit ang advantage nga nakita....

yep.
I agree.. communism was never achieved. by papers, yes. by practice, never.
It's utopian.. we're too humans for communism.

[eax]

yep.
I agree.. communism was never achieved. by papers, yes. by practice, never.
It's utopian.. we're too humans for communism.

Sakto.

It is onlly good on papers not in practice. Take for example Russia and Germany. Kung maayo ang communism hangtod karon sige communista pa sila karon.

Also take note on North Korea daghan pud kaayo mga tawo na gipang-gutom but ang ilang government wala gi-priority ang welfare sa mga tawo.

[internasyonalista]

wala koy question sa pagkondena sa kadagahanan sa "komunismo" sa USSR, China, Cuba, etc. para sa akoa tama kini ng pagkondena. ang problema lang kay gitoohan dayon nato nga ang nahitabo aning mga nasura komunismo gayud, nga usa ka dakung bakak. ang punto lang nako dinhi mao nga angayan nato tun-an unsa gyud ang komunismo ayha nato kini husgahan. kon ang basihanan nato sa paghiusga mao ang nahitabo sa mga nasud nga atong gotoohan nga "komunista" dili magtakdo.

actually, kining mga nasud nga nagpakaaron-ingnon nga "komunista" mga state capitalist countries ug dili communist. dili pwede matukod ang komunismo sa usa ka nasud.

mao bitaw nga supak sab ko sa CPP-NPA ug sa ubang leftist organizations sa pinas sama sa KPD, Akbayan, Sanlakas, ubp kay sila mismo nahimong katabang sa mga mapahimuslanon ug madaugdaugon aron masayop ang pagsabot nato unsa gyud ang komunismo.

kon gusto nato usbon ang dunot nga katilingban sa nasud, kinahanglan magtinabangay kita pagpangita og alternative. ug dili kalikayan nga usa sa atong alternative mao ang communist society.....

[internasyonalista]

"Communism is defined as a doctrine of a community of property by which the state owns and controls all means of production." -- Taekwondokid

I think the quote above is wrong. Communism is a social system wherein the MEANS OF PRODUCTION are own by the whole human community. Communism is a social system that can be establish only in a world scale NOT in a single country. Communism has no STATE BUT an organ in which the whole community actively participates in decision making and implementing them.

Tekwondokid is wrong if he defines communism as what happened in Stalinist USSR or Mao's China or Joma Sison's CPP.

[brownprose]

Mokanta sa ko'g L'Internationale before I answer the question...ahem...

Labourers, peasants, we are
The great party of workers
The earth belongs only to men
The idle will go reside elsewhere
How much of our flesh they feed on,
But if the ravens and vultures
Disappear one of these days
The sun will still shine
This is the final struggle
Let us stand together, and tomorrow
The Internationale
Will be the human race

Bow

We have more than enough definitions already about what it is -- and I think communism (the ideal form) is best only when it's adopted in a global scale (as pointed out by internasyonalista) and when private ownership is totally abolished. That's why it remains "utopic" to date since capitalism is still the dominant economic system or the preferred economic system for most countries where private ownership is still recognized.

Cuba, perceived by many as the only communist country in the Caribbean, is still largely socialist where major industries are still state-controlled. Private businesses (mostly tourism-related) are now flourishing and efforts to bring Cuba back in the open trade are now taking place -- thanks the boldness of the Canadian government and countries in the EU.

I am not an expert in political systems, but communism is already passe as an ideology...it is impossible to adopt communism for the simple reason that private ownership is a necessary institution for humans to make out of what they have -- therefore an indispensable part of human progress and his continued search for self-identity.

[proletariat]

necesidad na ang komunismo kay bangkarote na ang kapitalistang sistema!!!!...

[adminroot]

mas maayo pa tanang NPA ug kanang naa sa walhon, mobalhin mo ug north korea or sa china. atung tanawon kung makasustinir mo sa komonismo. ganahan man jud mo. ug para makatilaw mo sa kana inyo tinuhu-an....tinuhu-an sa boktot! maayo lang mo mo yawyaw dha. pamalhin mo ngadtu ug ayaw na mo ug balik...mga wa moy gamit diri!

[The_Child]

Capitalism or Communism?

The former is what we have now, suffice to say, the status quo, most of us here if not all, wants to let it remain as it is because it is an already comfortable situation for us. afterall in a revolution it us, the bourgeoisie, who will lose everything.
Sa Bukid, makasulti ba ta ani? Of course not, because the living condition up there is way way different from us here, city-dwellers, we of the bourgeois club.

What is the defect of Capitalism? It either does not recognize the exploitation and oppression inherent to the system or it does but does not do anything about it because it strives on exploitation to run this Mode of Production.
Marx saw this inherent exploitation of the Capitalist system through his Analysis of the Capitalist mode of production which he penned down in his Critique of the Political Economy which was later incorporated to his magnum opus Das Kapital Vol.1. Marx provided a conclusion, a student of Hegel as he was, that Capitalism would soon provide a anti-thesis that is Socialism and the ensuing chaos between the two would provide for a synthesis which he calls Communism.

Communism, is the reply to this inherent exploitation of the capitalist mode of production. It is classless, which is not the same saying that it is an all equal society. What he means by classless is that it is a society which no longer possess the antagonizing of classes: the proletariat v. bourgeoisie. In our times, globalization et al, Marx is even more alive. But i personally believe that the doctrines of the traditional left is obsolete. The newer trends of Marxists thought is non-ideological and this i believe provides us with an important tool in analyzing and changing our society today.

communism is not dead. it was never brought to life in the first place. What we had in history was merely a spectacle that never became what it intended itself to be.

Cuba USSR PRC DPRK, these are not COMMUNIST STATES. they are merely poseurs.

[internasyonalista]

Many Filipinos understand "communism" from the media, government and CPP-NPA and other leftist organizations like Sanlakas, KPD, BMP, Akbayan, etc...

Some read the book of Lenin, "Left-wing Communism, An Infantile Disorder".

But any Filipino who is progressive minded that read the history of left-communism from the perspective of the left-communist themselves?

Is left-communism the same as the "communism" spoused by the Philippines Leftists, government, media and schools?

Please express your opinion....

[The_Child]

OT: why the sudden fad interest for communism? theres another thread on this, i dont know if they could be subsumed under one topic.