Is Evolutionist Science worth believing?

[Alel]

well said. same here.

and by the way, what made you think i want to convince you? forgive me but can you point to any of my post that suggest I am convincing you.

Aren't we trying to do that with each other?

We should not be in a debate if we dont have that in mind...

Maybe you will you say "I am just making a point", or "I merely want to inforn." But kindly trace back to the objective behind. Isn't it to convince?

Its qiute tricky actually....heheheheh

Alel

[SPIKE_CSA]

@alel


c'mon alel, yes you answered it but YOU FAIL TO PROVE YOUR POINT. Please analyse the question.. your answer does not hold on water.. again

tubaga ni ninyo: (and answer it as technical as you can)



1. Is there a way nowadays or even before that for entirely a new genetic information to be added to a genome?

answer it with YES OR NO and explain further



2. Can you prove it here that, the very single-celled organism posses ALL THE GENETIC INFORMATION for a human in order for humans to have ultimately evolved from a primitive single-celled organism?

answer it with YES OR NO and explain further



3. how can you prove that a long the way in the evolution there is a lot of genetic information added in order for a fish to evolve to amphibian, from amphibian to reptile, from reptile to mammals?




4. and lastly, can you find a single mutation that you can point at that actually adds genetic information in the course of evolution?

[SPIKE_CSA]

@oakboy

"ang insik mahimong negro through time"

explanation: yes there is a lot of possiblities nga ang "insik mahimong negro through time" kay if naadto siya sa usa ka lugar sa mga negro unya naminyo ug negro then syempre iyang anak, half breed na. "insik ug negro" and through time ang iyang anak nga half breed naminyo nasad ug negro, sa ato pa nag anam anam na kawala ang iyang pagka insik.. and so on and so forth

syaro sad ka oakboy ug dili ka kasabot ana hehehe

mao sad bitaw na sa mga iro nga mag crossbreed para nindot ug liwat.. tan-awa sad na atong mga kababayan nga ilang ginikanan naminyo ug americans diba maglisod naka ug distinguished kay amerikano naman sad kaayo ug nawong... mao ng "crossbreed" oakboy.. ug dili paka kasabot ana, aw ambot naman lng nimo hahaha

and dili na matawag ug evolution ha, kay puro raman na humans.. hehehe

[Alel]

@alel


c'mon alel, yes you answered it but YOU FAIL TO PROVE YOUR POINT. Please analyse the question.. your answer does not hold on water.. again

tubaga ni ninyo: (and answer it as technical as you can)



1. Is there a way nowadays or even before that for entirely a new genetic information to be added to a genome?

answer it with YES OR NO and explain further



2. Can you prove it here that, the very single-celled organism posses ALL THE GENETIC INFORMATION for a human in order for humans to have ultimately evolved from a primitive single-celled organism?

answer it with YES OR NO and explain further



3. how can you prove that a long the way in the evolution there is a lot of genetic information added in order for a fish to evolve to amphibian, from amphibian to reptile, from reptile to mammals?




4. and lastly, can you find a single mutation that you can point at that actually adds genetic information in the course of evolution?

As I said, I answered it. And honestly, I dont really see you undertanding my point anyway...

I answered it. That was my answer. If you want to expound on it more, read closer and open up your understanding. Open doors.

"To those who believe, no explanation is necessary. To those who do not, none will suffice." - John Bannon

I did prove my point Spike. But for you, it does not suffice. Because you dont believe it in the first place. And with a closed-mind, I dont think you would really open doors and view things in a new light.

Anways, being a good sport, Ill answer your questions - again:

First question: There is no way to engineer the genome. It is not engineered - it formed by random. And by that fact, this question is baseless in regards to the topic.

First of all, the evolution dont talk about adding of genomes through any method known to man. Nature is responsible for the changes. Not the will of man.

But again, the absence of basis for this question is unquestionable. Whether the answer is yes or a no, it does not make a friggin' difference.

Question 2: Again, IT IS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The cells that makes up a human have the genetic information to constitute a human. If a cell dont have such genetic information, then it does not end up as a human at all.

If every cell contains all genetic information available, then there is no such thing as an uncurable cancer.

The genetic information is defined at random. (but unsurprisingly, lots of religions attrribute the definition to a supreme being. )

Question 3: Reptiles have not evolved to mammals. But reptiles did evolve to fouls (birds). And as I said, "addition of genetic information" is not the basis of evolution. It is the change of the information that matters. And that information change can happen WITHOUT the so-called "addition of genetic information."

Question 4: Again, there is no addition. But rather, it is alteration. And alteration is not a one-point event. It is process. And when it comes to such a colossal field of evolution, the process takes up massive amount of time which spans thousand sof years.



Alel

[mustrufnuthn]

theory ra na

[Mr.Ho_chia]

Aren't we trying to do that with each other?

We should not be in a debate if we dont have that in mind...

Maybe you will you say "I am just making a point", or "I merely want to inforn." But kindly trace back to the objective behind. Isn't it to convince?

Its qiute tricky actually....heheheheh

Alel

not me, pretty good assumptions. Why should i convince you, what do i gain from it? if in case you believe in something that is totally flawed it aint my problem at all.

I was merely trying to ask if you are certain of your stand of what seems to be definitive to you.

if you can notice I ask which specific "the same upbringing"? and you gave me genus of extinct primates, how convenient. don't you think so.

Again can you plot that trace in exact details as to when the first human came to be?

random you say? sound so magical. lets scrutinize that random genetic mutation. plot one in details here, supported by scientific evidence. qoute your source as well. lets see how definitive your random transformation.

can you imagine what you're saying? a single cell amoeba can be your grand mama swimming in Boracay. and even your single cell amoeba, where did it came from? where did it evolve from?

the big bang? collision of elements? pagbuto, whala... tuo na ang universe? sounds magic to me. and where did your elements for the bigbang came from? it evolve from where? from nothing it evolve into something?

hahaha. Scientific evidence kuno. the truth is, it holds no water, for it is totally flawed.

Lest you assume again, i have no intention of convincing you, all i do is seek your true understanding and poiint out how you can't trust your supposedly scientific basis of evolution.

[Alel]

not me, pretty good assumptions. Why should i convince you, what do i gain from it? if in case you believe in something that is totally flawed it aint my problem at all.

I was merely trying to ask if you are certain of your stand of what seems to be definitive to you.

if you can notice I ask which specific "the same upbringing"? and you gave me genus of extinct primates, how convenient. don't you think so.

Again can you plot that trace in exact details as to when the first human came to be?

random you say? sound so magical. lets scrutinize that random genetic mutation. plot one in details here, supported by scientific evidence. qoute your source as well. lets see how definitive your random transformation.

can you imagine what you're saying? a single cell amoeba can be your grand mama swimming in Boracay. and even your single cell amoeba, where did it came from? where did it evolve from?

the big bang? collision of elements? pagbuto, whala... tuo na ang universe? sounds magic to me. and where did your elements for the bigbang came from? it evolve from where? from nothing it evolve into something?

hahaha. Scientific evidence kuno. the truth is, it holds no water, for it is totally flawed.

Lest you assume again, i have no intention of convincing you, all i do is seek your true understanding and poiint out how you can't trust your supposedly scientific basis of evolution.

Can you please point out where the so-called "flaw" is? Please point out a specific one please, if one really does exist.

We can't go through everyday life wothout assumptions Sir. Yes I did assume, but with grounds.

I dont think someone would spend time and mental effort in typing long argments on the keyboard just for the mere purpose of pointing something out without any further purpose.

For mere enlightenment you say?

And how would you enlighten someone? Isnt it by convincing someone out of their existing belief and convincing them to adopt your belief?

Our main goal is to convince the other party that our point holds more water than the others' do. And if you say that it is not the case in your part - then you should be a hypocrite.

And as far as this "discussion" have reached, I have never read a post that shows that your theories do hold water. All that can be read are posts of you and your buddies trying to poke at every single spot you can point your finger upon and question our theory again and again and again - waiting for that moment where we would trip over.

Let us say that IF we fail to succeed in proving our point, does it say anything about YOUR stand??


It is not that hard to imagine to Mr. Chia...

And honestly, why should you bother and point out "how you can't trust your supposedly scientifica basis of evolution."...

Anyways,

Why should we try to decode WHY that among other possible outcomes of such a random event occur, a human was formed?...It's a pointless question if you ask me. And honestly, if I am to answer the question, there is no other reason WHY it came to be but that of pure incidence. Consider ourselves lucky.

I find that it more sound, realistic and scientific to say that the world and its wide range of plants and animals - extinct or not, have developed through thousands of years. And I find the theory that the world is created in under 7 days is ridiculous.

Geez, it's is overkill in our part. Why are we the only one that are proving a point?...

I thought this is a discussion board guys...And now it seems like a chopping board for those who believe in the Theory of Evolution.


Alel

[Mr.Ho_chia]

flawed unless proven otherwise. such definitive statements hid behind unexplainable random genetic mutations. sounds great but really there's nothing there.

enlightenment on my part i say. i want to understand those definitive words of yours. where you're coming from and what are your scientific evidence(s), because i might have been absent in college when our professors where talking about it.

so where did your single cell amoeba came from? the one that have all the genetic make up for human to have eventually evolved? where did evolve from? soil? sand? dead branches of trees? etc? and where did all the soil, sand, tress, etc evolve from?

and by the way, let me repeat it again, i don't want you to forget about your belief in the scientific genetic mutations of evolution, we are better off your there.

i am merely pointing out that you can not be definitive with your strong words all around this board in saying "I am right!" because frankly speaking you lack evidence, you lack definiteness, you lack facts, you are not 100% sure.

that's all i want to point out. not to convince you.

[Alel]

that's all i want to point out. not to convince you.

Sorry Bro, but I dont buy it.

flawed unless proven otherwise. such definitive statements hid behind unexplainable random genetic mutations. sounds great but really there's nothing there.

Hahaha! You are funny...

Again, here is a concrete example of how presuppositions cloud reason.

enlightenment on my part i say. i want to understand those definitive words of yours. where you're coming from and what are your scientific evidence(s), because i might have been absent in college when our professors where talking about it.

so where did your single cell amoeba came from? the one that have all the genetic make up for human to have eventually evolved? where did evolve from? soil? sand? dead branches of trees? etc? and where did all the soil, sand, tress, etc evolve from?

and by the way, let me repeat it again, i don't want you to forget about your belief in the scientific genetic mutations of evolution, we are better off your there.

i am merely pointing out that you can not be definitive with your strong words all around this board in saying "I am right!" because frankly speaking you lack evidence, you lack definiteness, you lack facts, you are not 100% sure.

Bro, soil dont evolve. It is non-living.

My gosh! I am not preaching "I" am right! I am saying that the Theory holds water! That IS all! Pleasr re-assess your evaluation Bro. I am afraid your equation lacks something.

And honestly, who lack evidence, who lack definiteness, who lack facts between us two? You have not even presented one yet!


Alel

[Oakboy]

@oakboy

"ang insik mahimong negro through time"

explanation: yes there is a lot of possiblities nga ang "insik mahimong negro through time" kay if naadto siya sa usa ka lugar sa mga negro unya naminyo ug negro then syempre iyang anak, half breed na. "insik ug negro" and through time ang iyang anak nga half breed naminyo nasad ug negro, sa ato pa nag anam anam na kawala ang iyang pagka insik.. and so on and so forth

syaro sad ka oakboy ug dili ka kasabot ana hehehe

mao sad bitaw na sa mga iro nga mag crossbreed para nindot ug liwat.. tan-awa sad na atong mga kababayan nga ilang ginikanan naminyo ug americans diba maglisod naka ug distinguished kay amerikano naman sad kaayo ug nawong... mao ng "crossbreed" oakboy.. ug dili paka kasabot ana, aw ambot naman lng nimo hahaha

and dili na matawag ug evolution ha, kay puro raman na humans.. hehehe

nyahaha! wala ko maglibog anang crossbreed sir kasabot ko unsay crossbreed kai into agriculture ko...para dili ka ma kutaw ba wagtangon lang tanang insik nga example kai ni head spin namanka. kana bang evolution na brought up ni nga topic haron sa pag suta og asa ang tawo gikan kai kon e relate nato sa pagtuo sa ADD gikan ni rcruman nga tinuod kuno ang dakong baha ang tubag diha kang noah ragyud ta gikan kai sumala pa ninyo nga ang naka sakay ra sa "Noah's Arc" ang nahabilin nga buhi karon ang pangutana gi unsa pag ka himong igorot, insik, hapon, negro, americano, kon gikan ra kita ni noah nga usa ra ka lahi..lahi sama sa mga Israelites..duna bay nahimong japanese karon sa Israel without inter breeding? karon og naglibog paka ana ambot nalang sab nimo wahahaha!..