Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

[tripwire]

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Mary Magdalene is one of the most important figure in Jesus Christ's life, but the problem there are only few things written about her. Some people claim she is married to Jesus based on there intepretation of the bible and the Roman Catholics claim she is not based also on there interpratation. Meaning they are both wrong and they both correct. But from what Dan Brown's based his arguements from definitely is a good one, and what the Catholic and Christian scholar's answer to Dan's claim didnt really convince me...

you are correct. Partly said that Mary Magdalene wasn't just an important figure in Jesus but also a member of his disciples. There are recent discoverries that she made book/s just like her male counterparts. As I have read on some articles that Mary Magdalene wasn't a prostitute... the church made her like that because in old tradition, wemon don't hold important jobs in their community. But the church made corrections about it because of discriminatory factors which some of the chapters of the contradicts.

Christian community was outraged about Dan Brown's book - Jews thought of anti-semitic, catholic church thought of breaking traditions... well, Dan Brown's book was a good one but it's really up to the person if you want to believe it. There are hundreds of books like Dan Brown's controversial ideas but none of them came out until hollywood made a movie out of it. Just like the movie "passion of the christ" - Jewish community gave mel gibson a snobish remarks because the movie procclaims it was them who had Christ crucified.

[Techfinder]

OK i get what you mean the Father = Jesus = Holy Ghost kay isa rman kaha cla ug unsa pana imo gipangsulti.. basta para sa imo usa ang God that is.. well para sa ako isa rasad but 3 persona ako point..

Hinumdumi brad, isa ra ang Dios dili pwedeng tulo ang persona, sama gud nato kung tulo ta ka tawo tulo ta ka persona so mulabas daghan ang Dios kung 3 na ka persona. As far as the scriptures are concerned, there’s only one True God and that is the Father in the Person of Jesus Christ.

Diba ang nakasulat sa Bible There’s only ONE TRUE GOD?Kinsa mana nga God?

Don’t you know that Trinitarianism is very close to Tritheism? Why not subscribe to Biblical Strict Monotheism?

Trinitarians maintained the two truths that God is one and that Jesus is God, but did so at the expense of redefining "one" to mean a "unity" of three persons within the one essence of God. Such a redefining of monotheism brought the church to the borders of Tritheism. While it retained its belief in monotheism on a semantic level, it abandoned monotheism on the conceptual level. (INSTITUTE FOR BIBLICAL STUDIES)

Then pangitaa ang verse kung diin c jesus ug ang apostoles naa sa mountain ba 2 nya kad2ng na change iya image into 3 persons... there was this voice from heavens dha na part na niingon "kini ang akong pinalanggang anak" ug naa pa sumpay......bla... bla... bla... kung usa ra cla why does the Father say those words?.. muana nlang ta cya I am jesus your God dba?.. y niana paman cya "kini ang akong pinalanggang anak"??...

And you said about 3rd person of view man dba isulti usahay sah, so kana na part 1st person man iya gamit so pasabot nagtan.aw cya sa iya anak...

You are referring to Matthew 3:13-17, Ok, atong icheck ha kung tinood ba gyud ang claim sa mga Trinitarians nga dunay tulo ka persona ang Dios ani?

Actually, this is a reiteration of my previous post. But don’t worry I’ll repost the answer.

The Baptism of Jesus

13Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John.

14But John tried to deter him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?"
15Jesus replied, "Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness." Then John consented.
16As soon as Jesus was baptized; he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.
17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

To understand this scene correctly, we must remember that God is omnipresent. Jesus is God and was God manifested in flesh while on earth. He could not and did not sacrifice His omnipresence while on earth because that is one of God's basic attributes, and God does not change. Of course, the physical body of Jesus was not omnipresent, but His Spirit was. Furthermore, although the fullness of God's character was resident in the body of Jesus, the omnipresent Spirit of Jesus could not be so confined. Thus, Jesus could be on earth and in heaven at the same time (John 3:13) and with two or three of His disciples at any time (Matthew 18:20).
With the OMNIPRESENCE of God in mind we can understand the baptism of Christ very easily. It was not at all difficult for the Spirit of Jesus to speak from heaven and to send a manifestation of His Spirit in the form of a dove even while His human body was in the Jordan River. The voice and the dove do not represent separate persons any more than the voice of God from Sinai indicates that the mountain was a separate intelligent person in the Godhead.

Since the voice and the dove were symbolic manifestations of the one omnipresent God, we may ask what they represented. What was their purpose?

CONCLUSION:

The baptism of Jesus does not teach us that God is three persons but only reveals the omnipresence of God and the humanity of the Son of God. When God speaks to four different people on four different continents at the same time, we do not think of four persons of God, but of God's omnipresence. God did not intend for the baptism to reveal to the monotheistic Jewish onlookers a radically new revelation of a plurality in the Godhead, and there is no indication that the Jews interpreted it as such. Even many modern scholars do not see the baptism of Christ as an indication of a trinity but as a reference to "the authoritative anointing of Jesus as the Messiah."

mao gani ako point isa ta ang mulingkod kana mao ang amahan.. deli ang anak or ang Holy Spirit...

There is one throne in heaven and One who sits upon it. John described this in Revelation 4:2: "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Without doubt this One is God because the twenty-four elders around the throne address Him as "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come" (Revelation 4:. When we compare this to Revelation 1:5-18 , we discover a remarkable similarity in the description of Jesus and the One sitting on the throne. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Revelation 1:8 ). Verses 5-7 make clear that Jesus is the One speaking in verse 8. Moreover, Jesus is clearly the subject of Revelation 1:11-18 . In verse 11, Jesus identified Himself as the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last. In verses 17-18 Jesus said, "I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of bell and of death." From the first chapter of Revelation, therefore, we find that Jesus is the Lord, the Almighty, and the One who is, was, and is to come. Since the same descriptive terms and titles apply to Jesus and to the One sitting on the throne, it is apparent that the One on the throne is none other than Jesus Christ.

There is additional support for this conclusion. Revelation 4:11 tells us the One on the throne is the Creator, and we know Jesus is the Creator (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16). Furthermore, the One on the throne is worthy to receive glory, honor, and power (Revelation 4:11); we read that the Lamb that was slain (Jesus) is worthy to receive power, riches, wisdom, strength, honor, glory, and blessing (Revelation 5:12). Revelation 20:11-12 tells us the One on the throne is the Judge, and we know Jesus is the Judge of all (John 5:22, 27; Romans 2:16; 14:10-11). We conclude that Jesus must be the One on the throne in Revelation 4.

Revelation 22:3-4 speaks of the throne of God and of the Lamb. These verses speak of one throne, one face, and one name. Therefore, God and the Lamb must be one Being who has one face and one name and who sits on one throne. The only person who is both God and the Lamb is Jesus Christ.(Oneness Pentecosal Theology)

[newgal80]

I think what jouho makes a lot of sense...

sad to say there are so many people who have no idea of what and who Jesus is at all...

[dartzed]

Hinumdumi brad, isa ra ang Dios dili pwedeng tulo ang persona, sama gud nato kung tulo ta ka tawo tulo ta ka persona so mulabas daghan ang Dios kung 3 na ka persona. As far as the scriptures are concerned, there’s only one True God and that is the Father in the Person of Jesus Christ.

Diba ang nakasulat sa Bible There’s only ONE TRUE GOD?Kinsa mana nga God?

Don’t you know that Trinitarianism is very close to Tritheism? Why not subscribe to Biblical Strict Monotheism?

Trinitarians maintained the two truths that God is one and that Jesus is God, but did so at the expense of redefining "one" to mean a "unity" of three persons within the one essence of God. Such a redefining of monotheism brought the church to the borders of Tritheism. While it retained its belief in monotheism on a semantic level, it abandoned monotheism on the conceptual level. (INSTITUTE FOR BIBLICAL STUDIES)

hmmmmm well its like a multiple personality in one bro even in the bible you can read it that God has 3 personalities of God you have given na sa uban na verses gani na imo mabasa diha na God acted as the Father, as the Don ug Holy Ghost.. YES God is omnipotent bsan asa naa na cya..

You are referring to Matthew 3:13-17, Ok, atong icheck ha kung tinood ba gyud ang claim sa mga Trinitarians nga dunay tulo ka persona ang Dios ani?

Actually, this is a reiteration of my previous post. But don’t worry I’ll repost the answer.

The Baptism of Jesus

13Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John.

14But John tried to deter him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?"
15Jesus replied, "Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness." Then John consented.
16As soon as Jesus was baptized; he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.
17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

To understand this scene correctly, we must remember that God is omnipresent. Jesus is God and was God manifested in flesh while on earth. He could not and did not sacrifice His omnipresence while on earth because that is one of God's basic attributes, and God does not change. Of course, the physical body of Jesus was not omnipresent, but His Spirit was. Furthermore, although the fullness of God's character was resident in the body of Jesus, the omnipresent Spirit of Jesus could not be so confined. Thus, Jesus could be on earth and in heaven at the same time (John 3:13) and with two or three of His disciples at any time (Matthew 18:20).
With the OMNIPRESENCE of God in mind we can understand the baptism of Christ very easily. It was not at all difficult for the Spirit of Jesus to speak from heaven and to send a manifestation of His Spirit in the form of a dove even while His human body was in the Jordan River. The voice and the dove do not represent separate persons any more than the voice of God from Sinai indicates that the mountain was a separate intelligent person in the Godhead.

Since the voice and the dove were symbolic manifestations of the one omnipresent God, we may ask what they represented. What was their purpose?

CONCLUSION:

The baptism of Jesus does not teach us that God is three persons but only reveals the omnipresence of God and the humanity of the Son of God. When God speaks to four different people on four different continents at the same time, we do not think of four persons of God, but of God's omnipresence. God did not intend for the baptism to reveal to the monotheistic Jewish onlookers a radically new revelation of a plurality in the Godhead, and there is no indication that the Jews interpreted it as such. Even many modern scholars do not see the baptism of Christ as an indication of a trinity but as a reference to "the authoritative anointing of Jesus as the Messiah."

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kaya nga naay God as the Father, God as the Son, God as the Holy Ghost kaila kag multiple persona bro?.. mura wala man japon ka kita sakopoint bro...

hmmmmmm hehehe

[pijavier]

Schizophrenic God d ay ky multiple personality man. Di ba,disordermana?

[Techfinder]

hmmmmm well its like a multiple personality in one bro even in the bible you can read it that God has 3 personalities of God you have given na sa uban na verses gani na imo mabasa diha na God acted as the Father, as the Don ug Holy Ghost.. YES God is omnipotent bsan asa naa na cya..

It seems that your explanation is different with the orthodox trinitarianism. Are you really following the traditional Triune Theology?

Are you saying One being in three personality?If God has multiple personality then that would be schizophrenic.

FYI, God is undivisible, He is an absolute monad. Those three you're referring for are not actually persons but "ROLES" performed by God. He is the Father in creation, Son in redemption and HS in emanation-that's plain.


Here are my questions for clarification.

What is your opinion about the term "person"?
What is trinity for you?
There are how many wills God has?
If there are three persons in the Godhead, who spoke in the book of Isaiah? was it the Father Son or the HS?

kaya nga naay God as the Father, God as the Son, God as the Holy Ghost kaila kag multiple persona bro?.. mura wala man japon ka kita sakopoint bro...

hmmmmmm hehehe

No.....I certainly got your point. dli na mga persona brad, these are roles performed by the only ONe God. see above-

[dartzed]

It seems that your explanation is different with the orthodox trinitarianism. Are you really following the traditional Triune Theology?

Are you saying One being in three personality?If God has multiple personality then that would be schizophrenic.

FYI, God is undivisible, He is an absolute monad. Those three you're referring for are not actually persons but "ROLES" performed by God. He is the Father in creation, Son in redemption and HS in emanation-that's plain.


Here are my questions for clarification.

What is your opinion about the term "person"?
What is trinity for you?
There are how many wills God has?
If there are three persons in the Godhead, who spoke in the book of Isaiah? was it the Father Son or the HS?


No.....I certainly got your point. dli na mga persona brad, these are roles performed by the only ONe God. see above-

ok that is my opinion man sad ok ra.. but still the bible says there are 3persona bsan pa imo na balibalihon.. but in your case you said its his Role right?.. but ako pangutana nimo why man iya paman himuon ang roles na pwede man dai cya nlang?... wala japon na nimo gitubag bro..

you see the way you explain it to me i myself think that God is just playing in your explaination.. mura dai cya nagdula ug balay balay bro na cya ang mama cya ang papa ug cya ang anak?...

and by your explaination i can conclude na walay anak ang ginuo para ninyo.. ky lagi cya raman kaha na tanan sa iya ROLE..

[NASYO]

we are all GOD's creation..
balanced..
we have our brain to distinguish the differences between things..
we are logical..

"Is Jesus really a Son of God? or He was just a Sophie?"

[rcruman]

nya sa laing topic ingon ka nga EVOLUTION imo nya karon "we are all GOD's creation..".
nya usahay doubt ka sa Ginoo nya usahay kay mutuo, unsa man gyud imo baruganan?

Peace!

[NASYO]

nya sa laing topic ingon ka nga EVOLUTION imo nya karon "we are all GOD's creation..".
nya usahay doubt ka sa Ginoo nya usahay kay mutuo, unsa man gyud imo baruganan?

Wala ko gibarugan bro..

Naglibog ka?

Lawm naman gud kaayo ka ug LOGIC do..