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  1. #1171

    Default Re: John 10:30


    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed
    well in God's case wala man cya naghunahuna ra at the same time he appeared as the Father, the Son, and the Holy ghost...

    tumpak!! mao na ang punto diha...ngano nahimo man na niya??kay omnipresent man siya....GOD man siya....Supreme Being.

  2. #1172

    Default Re: John 10:30

    Quote Originally Posted by itachi
    aw cge...

    Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
    Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
    Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
    Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
    Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
    Joh 10:6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
    Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
    Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
    Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
    Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
    Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
    Joh 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
    Joh 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
    Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
    Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
    Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
    Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
    Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
    Joh 10:19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
    Joh 10:20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
    Joh 10:21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
    Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
    Joh 10:23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
    Joh 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
    Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
    Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
    Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
    Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
    Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
    Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
    Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
    Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
    Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
    Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
    Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
    Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
    Joh 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
    Joh 10:39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
    Joh 10:40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
    Joh 10:41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
    Joh 10:42 And many believed on him there.

    cge basaha...
    When speaking to the Pharisees, Jesus said that He gives His sheep eternal life, and no man could pluck the sheep out of His hand (John 10:2. Then Jesus said that His Father gave them to Him, and no one was able to pluck them out of His Father's hand (v. 29). Jesus had just claimed that the same sheep were in the Father's hand, and in His own. Jesus, knowing the apparent contradiction of this statement, confirmed the Jews' suppositions of the import of His statement, and immediately claimed that He and His Father were one (John 10:30). Immediately the Jews took up stones to stone Him (v. 31). When Jesus asked them for what good work they desired to kill Him, they responded, "For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God" (v. 33). They understood that by Jesus claiming to have the Father's sheep in His hand; He was claiming to be God. The Jews did not understand Jesus' reference to God as His "Father" to mean that Jesus was less than God, or some sort of a second-rate god. Rather they understood His claim to be that of Yahweh God Himself. Their reasoning was that Jesus, who was a man, had made Himself God (v.33). This was blasphemy to the Jews and was deserving of the death penalty. They understood perfectly what Jesus was claiming. If Jesus was not declaring equality with the Father, it would have been the perfect opportunity to explain what He really meant. Instead He continued to back up His claim (vs. 34-3.

  3. #1173

    Default Re: John 10:30

    Quote Originally Posted by dulpeks

    tumpak!! mao na ang punto diha...ngano nahimo man na niya??kay omnipresent man siya....GOD man siya....Supreme Being.
    yup but explain daw ang ipang sulti ni jesus na ang iya gipangsulti ug gilihok ky deli iyaiya but ang sugo sa iya Amahan nga naa sa langit?.. so why must jesus said that if ang iya amahan ug si jesus isa ra and which you say omnipresent, why naa paman ang anak na pwede man dai ang amahan musulti ky omnipresent man kaha?..

  4. #1174

    Default Re: John 10:30

    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed
    if so y itago paman niya iya identity pinaagi sa iya anak?... nga pwede man dai cya lang?..

    then if so, why kinhanglan man ang anak bro kung pwede dai ang amahan mismo ang mukanaog?...
    Don't be confused brad. Jesus in his Divine State-he's the Father/HOly Spirit while in his human state his the SON of Man.

    ANg amahan mismo ang nagpakatawo in the person of the Son. Nagpakatawo siya kay dili man siya tawo kundi Dios nga Espiritu. HOpe it helps a lot.

  5. #1175

    Default Re: John 10:30

    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed
    yup but explain daw ang ipang sulti ni jesus na ang iya gipangsulti ug gilihok ky deli iyaiya but ang sugo sa iya Amahan nga naa sa langit?.. so why must jesus said that if ang iya amahan ug si jesus isa ra and which you say omnipresent, why naa paman ang anak na pwede man dai ang amahan musulti ky omnipresent man kaha?..
    Christ sometimes spoke in enigmatic way, he even refer himself in the third person(e.g. Matthew chapter 4)

  6. #1176

    Default Re: John 10:30

    Quote Originally Posted by Techfinder
    Christ sometimes spoke in enigmatic way, he even refer himself in the third person(e.g. Matthew chapter 4)

    sakto jud....kita man gali mo refer sa a2 self usahay in the 3rd person...di ba dartzed??

  7. #1177

    Default Re: John 10:30

    Quote Originally Posted by Techfinder
    Don't be confused brad. Jesus in his Divine State-he's the Father/HOly Spirit while in his human state his the SON of Man.

    ANg amahan mismo ang nagpakatawo in the person of the Son. Nagpakatawo siya kay dili man siya tawo kundi Dios nga Espiritu. HOpe it helps a lot.
    Quote Originally Posted by dulpeks

    sakto jud....kita man gali mo refer sa a2 self usahay in the 3rd person...di ba dartzed??
    Quote Originally Posted by Techfinder
    Christ sometimes spoke in enigmatic way, he even refer himself in the third person(e.g. Matthew chapter 4)
    Quote Originally Posted by dulpeks

    sakto jud....kita man gali mo refer sa a2 self usahay in the 3rd person...di ba dartzed??
    aw mao bah? so d dai tinuod na gipakanaog sa amahan ang iyang bugtng anak?.. ug deli sad diay tinuod na namatay ang anak sa ginuo?.. ky amahan man kaha na cla tanan so pasabot namakak ang Amahan?...

  8. #1178

    Default Re: John 10:30

    John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
    Jesus was refering to the supreme GOD one and only GOD.

    John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
    they are on the same side,Not as being GOD most high.

    Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
    the works that jesus was referring to is all about the good works he have done, the guide showing that this must be the rightway for all of us to become human as creation and son/dauthers of GOD.

  9. #1179

    Default Re: John 10:30

    Quote Originally Posted by Oakboy
    Jesus was refering to the supreme GOD one and only GOD.
    they are on the same side,Not as being GOD most high.
    the works that jesus was referring to is all about the good works he have done, the guide showing that this must be the rightway for all of us to become human as creation and son/dauthers of GOD.
    It seems that you're misled, kindly read the entire chapter.

  10. #1180

    Default Re: John 10:30

    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed
    aw mao bah? so d dai tinuod na gipakanaog sa amahan ang iyang bugtng anak?.. ug deli sad diay tinuod na namatay ang anak sa ginuo?.. ky amahan man kaha na cla tanan so pasabot namakak ang Amahan?...
    You should put verses into proper exegesis prior inserting your own opinion.

    Yes, God sent a Son!, but that doesn't mean tha he was not referring to himself. As wha I've said before, Jesus sometimes spoke in enigmatic way. There are things which you seemed contradicting but are not.

    WIll you question God, if that's his plan before the foundaion of he world? Will you question God for sending himself to fulfill the greatest act of love?

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