Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

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@RCRUMAN

we know that human GROWS

si Jesus, GOD na siya samtang bata pa.. KOREK?
kung edaran na siya ug 2, GOD japon siya.. KOREK?
edad niya 16, GOD japon siya.. KOREK?

if edad niya 1 pa, GOD japon siya?

KOREK or NAT KOREK?

if KOREK, unsa man tawag sa GOD na bata?

CHILD GOD?

bata-batuta!

[Techfinder]

* might be wrong...u maybe right but "loz" is uncalled for...i'm here to learn...if the logic u found in my statement nga 3 gods...then unsa man diay??enlighten me??

*o what side is the holy spirit??...then meaning 3 sides...ah mao diay Holy TRInity...prefix nga TRI...meaning 3..sa??karon nakasabot nako....salamta techfinder for your reaction...

*itawag og HOLY TRINITY kay naay tulo ka sides ang a2 GOD...sakto sad jud kaau...kay sa geometry...a triangle is the most stable polygon...mao nang tulo ra jud ka side ang a2 GOD...mao nang HOLY TRINITY...sa??tulo ka sides pero usa ra jpn ka GINOO....salamat techfinder...u help me realize this!!!!

Sorry bro., I did not really mean it.


Thank you also for hearing the words Of God; I’m so blessed for someone like you who wants to hear Christ’s Teachings.

You need to note that God is indivisible and couldn’t be equated into a mere group of Gods. The Bible plainly told us that He is the only One True God that revealed as “FATHER” in creation, Son in Redemption and as the Holy Spirit in emanation. (I Cor 8:6; Eph. 4:6; 2Cor 5:19).

The Term Holy Spirit refers to God per se. He’s Holy and at the same time He’s a Spirit but was manifested in flesh (I Tim. 3:16) to save us from the penalty of sin.

The Bible speaks of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as different manifestations, roles, modes, titles, attributes, relationships to man, or functions of the one God, but it does not refer to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as three persons, personalities, wills, minds, or Gods. God is the Father of us all and in a unique way the Father of the man Jesus Christ. God manifested Himself in flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, called the Son of God. God is also called the Holy Spirit, which emphasizes His activity in the lives and affairs of mankind.

God is not limited to these three manifestations; however, in the glorious revelation of the one God, the New Testament does not deviate from the strict monotheism of the Old Testament. Rather, the Bible presents Jesus as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Jesus is not just the manifestation of one of three persons in the Godhead, but He is the incarnation of the Father, the Jehovah of the Old Testament. Truly, in Jesus dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

[Techfinder]

Two wills imply two distinct persons

Lu 22:42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."

Here we have two wills---the Father's and the Son's. This would mean that they are two distinct persons

Is God the Son in Trinity dependent to the Father? In what sense Co-equality is justified? There’re how many WILL God has?

If God is an eternal triunity of persons, each person being distinct from the others, and each capable of giving and receiving love one to another, then why, if man is made in God's image, do we not mirror our Maker? We may have distinct aspects to our person (body, soul, spirit), but these aspects are not distinct persons, each capable of thought and interaction with one another. There is no love between my spirit and soul, or body and spirit. We are a unified monad, and so is God. As our love must be directed outward, so does His love.

Two minds imply two persons

Mr 13:32 But of that day or of that hour no one knows, neither the angels who are in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father.

Jesus said that ONLY His Father knew the day of the second coming, not the Son (Mark 13:32). What about the Spirit? Apparently he does not know because only the Father knows. Are there things that the Father knows that the Spirit does not? If so, in what sense can the persons of the Trinity be co-equal, and of the same essence?

The distinctiveness of their persons is clearly laid out in Matthew 28:19:
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”

Here we see the distinctiveness of persons. The verse has the definite article ‘THE’ before every person named. ‘THE Father, THE Son, THE Holy Spirit’ this means the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not the Father.

In this passage, Jesus commanded His disciples to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." However, this verse of Scripture does not teach that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate persons. Rather, it teaches the titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost identify one name and therefore one being. The verse expressly says "in the name," not "in the names."

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost all describe the one God, so the phrase in Matthew 28:19 simply describes the one name of the one God. The Old Testament promised that there would come a time when Jehovah would have one name and that this one name would be made known (Zechariah 14:9; Isaiah 52:6). We know that the one name of Matthew 28:19 is Jesus, for Jesus is the name of the Father (John 5:43; Hebrews 1:4), the Son (Matthew 1:21), and the Holy Ghost (John 14:26). The New Testament church understood this to be so, for they baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5; I Corinthians 1:13). Matthew himself endorsed this interpretation by standing with Peter and the other apostles during the sermon in which Peter commanded the people to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:14-3.

[Techfinder]

gitawag og HOLY TRINITY kay naay tulo ka sides ang a2 GOD...sakto sad jud kaau...kay sa geometry...a triangle is the most stable polygon...mao nang tulo ra jud ka side ang a2 GOD...mao nang HOLY TRINITY...sa??tulo ka sides pero usa ra jpn ka GINOO....salamat techfinder...u help me realize this!!!!

This is also same with your BOdy, soul and spirit,;3 elements yet contained in one being....Thank you...God bless.

[Techfinder]

hhhmmmmmmm

famous last words of the Son: Father, Father why have you forsaken me...

if you will examine the words of jesus you will see there that he does not claim it as his own works and thoughts but to his Father in heaven. why would he say that?.. if jesus and his Father are one in body them why not claim it his..

Brad Dartzed, You shouldn't interpret this verse in literal way. This should be put in ligh of proper exegesis.

The Bible states that "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Corinthians 5:19). Jesus was God the Father made manifest in flesh to reconcile the world to Himself. The cry of Jesus on the cross does not mean that the Spirit of God had departed from the body, but that there was no help from the Spirit in His sacrificial death of substitution for sinful mankind. It was not one person of the Godhead being deserted by another, but the human nature feeling the wrath and judgment of God upon the sins of mankind.

What Jesus meant when He cried, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" was that he had taken the place of sinful man on the cross and was suffering the full punishment for sin. There was no abatement of suffering because of His deity. Since all have sinned (Romans 3:23) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23), all mankind (except for the sinless Christ) deserved to die. Christ took our place and suffered the death that we deserved (Romans 5:6-9). Jesus was more than a courageous martyr like Stephen and more than an Old Testament sacrifice, because He died in our place and experienced for a time the death we deserved. On the cross, He tasted death for every man (Hebrews 2:9). This death was more than physical death; it also involved spiritual death, which is separation from God (II Thessalonians 1:9; Revelation 20:14).

[dulpeks]

bro narealize nimo pero ang question biblical ba ang imo pagrealize?
Maypa ka kay nituo ka sa explanation ni techfinder even there's no bible verse and not biblical.

Peace!

rcruman my faith does not lie on the bible alone...

[Techfinder]

DARTZED: pangitaa ang verse sa pagbunyag ni jesus diba ang amahan naa sa langit ug ang espiritu santo nikunsad.. when you say nikunsad nikanaog, dba?...

The Baptism Of Christ

To understand this scene correctly, we must remember that God is omnipresent. Jesus is God and was God manifested in flesh while on earth. He could not and did not sacrifice His omnipresence while on earth because that is one of God's basic attributes, and God does not change. Of course, the physical body of Jesus was not omnipresent, but His Spirit was. Furthermore, although the fullness of God's character was resident in the body of Jesus, the omnipresent Spirit of Jesus could not be so confined. Thus, Jesus could be on earth and in heaven at the same time (John 3:13) and with two or three of His disciples at any time (Matthew 18:20).
With the OMNIPRESENCE of God in mind we can understand the baptism of Christ very easily. It was not at all difficult for the Spirit of Jesus to speak from heaven and to send a manifestation of His Spirit in the form of a dove even while His human body was in the Jordan River. The voice and the dove do not represent separate persons any more than the voice of God from Sinai indicates that the mountain was a separate intelligent person in the Godhead.

Since the voice and the dove were symbolic manifestations of the one omnipresent God, we may ask what they represented. What was their purpose?

CONCLUSION:

The baptism of Jesus does not teach us that God is three persons but only reveals the omnipresence of God and the humanity of the Son of God. When God speaks to four different people on four different continents at the same time, we do not think of four persons of God, but of God's omnipresence. God did not intend for the baptism to reveal to the monotheistic Jewish onlookers a radically new revelation of a plurality in the Godhead, and there is no indication that the Jews interpreted it as such. Even many modern scholars do not see the baptism of Christ as an indication of a trinity but as a reference to "the authoritative anointing of Jesus as the Messiah."

sa pagnaog ni jesus sa kalibotan kinsa naa sa langit?.. ngpasabot ba nga ang amahan nikanaog sad?..

When the Bible says GodI the Father) came to earth or appeared to a man (in the person of the Son), it does not negate His omnipresence. It simply means the focus of His activity has shifted to earth at least as far as a certain individual or a certain situation is concerned. When God comes to earth, heaven is not empty. He is still just as much in heaven as ever. He can act simultaneously in heaven and on earth, or at several locations on earth. It is very important that we recognize the magnitude of God's omnipresence and not limit it by our human experience.

[bcasabee]

@techfinder...So in you own opinion, who is Jesus, a God or a man?

[pijavier]

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[Techfinder]

@techfinder...So in you own opinion, who is Jesus, a God or a man?

The Bible plainly declare that Jesus is both human and Divine. He is the Alpha and Omega. He is the Father in Creation, Son in redemption and Holy Spirit in emanation.






Trinitarians maintained the two truths that God is one and that Jesus is God, but did so at the expense of redefining "one" to mean a "unity" of three persons within the one essence of God. Such a redefining of monotheism brought the church to the borders of Tritheism. While it retained its belief in monotheism on a semantic level, it abandoned monotheism on the conceptual level. (INSTITUTE FOR BIBLICAL STUDIES)