Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

[newgal80]

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Jesus is my savior, nothing more, nothing less

[tarzantech]

rcruman shabu man nuon, nagtama ka bro? peacee

[Techfinder]

ok bro i got your point bro but ako point wala nimo naigo...

ako gisulti is ang verse man na gtuki sa Joh 10:30... kay ang main na subject ana dha kay d man ang Father ug Son isa, kung d ang gisulti ni jesus b4 that verse na iya ghatag...

Ok! Let's read John Chapter 10

28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and the Father are one."
31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,
32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"
33 "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."



In John 10:30 Jesus said, "I and my Father are one." Does that mean that they are one in unity?

Well, I ask if that was all he meant then why did the Jews pick up stones to stone him? (v. 31) In fact, Jesus asks them why (v. 32), and they answered him, "because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God" (v. 33). They understood this as claiming to be God, not claiming to be in accordance with him. So if "I and the Father are one" means "I am God", then he must be God the Father. Some Trinitarians have tried to draw attention to the neuter gender of the word "one" in this passage (Gk - hen), claiming that this means that they are one in unity. However, this is the same word used in passages such as Eph. 4:4 where it says that there is "one Spirit," and no one would argue that this means only one in unity.(Institute for Biblical Studies)

MOre accounts from the Book of John:

The Jews Understood That Jesus Claimed to be God

The Jews did not understand how God could come in flesh. They did not understand Jesus on one occasion when He told them He was the Father (John 8:19-27). However, on many other occasions they did understand His claim to be God. Once when Jesus healed a man on the Sabbath and credited the work to His Father, the Jews sought to kill Him - not only because He had broken the Sabbath but because He said God was His Father, making Himself equal with God (John 5:17-1. Another time Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day. When the Jews asked how this could be, Jesus replied, "Before Abraham was, I am." The Jews immediately recognized that He claimed to be I AM - the name by which Jehovah had identified Himself in Exodus 3:14 - so they took up stones to kill Him for blasphemy (John 8:56-59).

When Jesus said, "I and my Father are one," the Jews sought to stone him for blasphemy, because He being a man made Himself God the Father (John 10:30-33). They sought to kill Him when He said the Father was in Him, again because He was claiming to be the Father (John 10:38-39).

When Jesus forgave a palsied man of His sins, the Jews thought He had blasphemed because they knew that only God could forgive sin (Isaiah 43:25). Jesus, knowing their thoughts, healed the man; thereby showing His divine power and proving His deity (Luke 5:20-26). The Jews were right in believing that there was one God, in believing that only God could forgive sin, and in understanding that Jesus claimed to be the one God (the Father and Jehovah). They were wrong only because they refused to believe Jesus' claim.

It is amazing that some people today not only reject the Lord's assertion of His true identity, but even fail to realize what He did assert. Even the Jewish opponents of Jesus realized that Jesus claimed to be God, the Father, and Jehovah, but some today cannot see what the Scriptures so plainly declare.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

so the question, did Christ remain as infant?

YES and NO .

Yes because JESUS was remembered when he got lost in the temple , as a 12 year old helpful KID assisting in carpentry of His foster father St. Joseph , as Senor Sato Nino , Holy Infant of prague etc .

NO because people like you wants to understand things literally that indeed people GROW lolz .

[dartzed]

@Techfinder

hehehe ok tagsatagsaon na2 bro..

ako 1st pangutana bro:

sa pagnaog ni jesus sa kalibotan kinsa naa sa langit?.. ngpasabot ba nga ang amahan nikanaog sad?..

there is this verse in the bible that said:
no one can go thru the father exept i the son ug walay nakakita sa amahan kundi ang anak

pls correct the words if naa nsayop...

pangitaa ang verse sa pagbunyag ni jesus diba ang amahan naa sa langit ug ang espiritu santo nikunsad.. when you say nikunsad nikanaog, dba?...

b explain it daw?..

[dulpeks]

The third verse which Christians claim validates the doctrine of the trinity is the verse of John 10:30

"I and my father are one."

This verse, however is quoted out of context. The complete passage, starting with John 10:23, reads as follows:

"And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one."

John 10:23-30

In divinity? In a holy "Trinity"? No! They are one in PURPOSE. Just as no one shall pluck them out of Jesus' hand, so too shall no one pluck them out of God's hand.

Need more proof? Then read:

"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one."

John 17:20-22

[pijavier]

Yes, Jesus alone saves. sakto ka sis

[itachi]

Quiboloy saves. all that do not believe in the son, will not be saved. Quibolonians....






Jesus alone saves. gilibog lang gyud ninyo inyong mga panghuna huna. hasta mga verse sa Bible lan lain og sabot. i word for word nalang pag sabot ang Bible. para kung makahilak mo makasulti dayon, Jesus wept.
bwahahahahaha. Biblical scientists mani nganhi.

padung namani sa lain lain nga version sa Bible

unsa lagi na nga verse pastilan...kung naa man gyuy verse sa bible nga Jesus ALONE Saves, ngano gud intawn dili man mi mutuo...tsk tsk tsk!

[itachi]

The third verse which Christians claim validates the doctrine of the trinity is the verse of John 10:30

"I and my father are one."

This verse, however is quoted out of context. The complete passage, starting with John 10:23, reads as follows:

"And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one."

John 10:23-30

In divinity? In a holy "Trinity"? No! They are one in PURPOSE. Just as no one shall pluck them out of Jesus' hand, so too shall no one pluck them out of God's hand.

Need more proof? Then read:

"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one."

John 17:20-22

unya si Jesus mao pud ang Father?

[dulpeks]

sa imo pag tan aw itachi??unsa man si Jesus??enlighten me without mocking my beliefs.....be Christ-like...