Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

[Techfinder]

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In John 14:7 Jesus told His disciples, "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." Upon hearing this statement, Philip requested, "Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us" (John 14:. In other words, he asked that Jesus show them the Father and then they would be satisfied. Jesus' answer was, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake" (John 14:9-11). This statement goes far beyond a relationship of agreement; it can be viewed as nothing less that the claim of Christ to be the Father manifested in flesh. Like many people today, Philip had not comprehended that the Father is an invisible Spirit and that the only way a person could ever see Him would be through the person of Jesus Christ.

We can easily understand all of this if we realize that Jesus has a dual nature. He is both Spirit and flesh, God and man, Father and Son. On His human side He is the Son of man; on His divine side He is the Son of God and is the Father dwelling in flesh.

[Techfinder]

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

unsay buot ipasabot ani? si Jesus mao pud ang Father or vice versa?

That means they are One in the person of Jesus CHrist. We all know there's only One God according to the Prophets.

Many other Old Testament verses of Scripture emphatically affirm strict monotheism. The Ten Commandments begin with, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Exodus 20:3; Deuteronomy 5:7). God emphasized this command by stating that He is a jealous God (Exodus 20:5). In Deuteronomy 32:39, God said there is no other god with him. There is none like the LORD and there is no God beside Him (II Samuel 7:22; I Chronicles 17:20). He alone is God (Psalm 86:10). There are the emphatic declarations of God in Isaiah.

"I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God" (Isaiah 44:6).

"Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any" (Isaiah 44:.

"I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself" (Isaiah 44:24).

"There is none beside me. I am the LORD and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:6).

"There is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:21-22).

"Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me" (Isaiah 46:9).

"I will not give my glory unto another" (Isaiah 48:11; see also Isaiah 42:.

"O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth" (Isaiah 37:16).

There is only one God, who is the Creator and Father of mankind (Malachi 2:10). In the time of the Millennial Reign, there shall be only one LORD with one name (Zechariah 14:9).

In short, the Old Testament speaks of God in terms of being one. Many times the Bible calls God the Holy One (Psalm 71:22; 78:41; Isaiah 1:4; 5:19; 5:24), but never the "holy two, the holy three," or the "holy many."



If there is only one True God
And that God is the Father (Malachi 2:10; John 17:3),
And if Jesus is God (I john 5:20),
Then it logically follows that JESUS is the FATHER.

The Trinity doctrine is not hard to explain because it was conceptualized and explained by the RC. Except that it was not in the bible.

Jesus has been many times called "the Son of God", "the Lord God" and etc. It is a "title" given by the Father (The real and only GOD). All the verses you posted proves that the Father is greater than Jesus. Could there be a lesser God?

Actually TRIUNE THEOLOGy/Trinity has pagan roots, to be straight it's not biblical.

[Techfinder]

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[dartzed]

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

unsay buot ipasabot ani? si Jesus mao pud ang Father or vice versa?

if you just read the other verse na kauban ani sa chapter it talks about oneness of both parties on what they want to give and protect.. not the oneness in physical state..

[NASYO]

all GODs only have one identity..
That is unthinkable, purely unimaginative..

[Techfinder]

if you just read the other verse na kauban ani sa chapter it talks about oneness of both parties on what they want to give and protect.. not the oneness in physical state..

If there is only one True God
And that God is the Father (Malachi 2:10; John 17:3),
And if Jesus is God (I john 5:20),
Then it logically follows that JESUS is the FATHER.

Colossians 2:9 proclaims that all the fulness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus. The Godhead includes the role of Father, so the Father must dwell in Jesus

[Techfinder]

all GODs only have one identity..
That is unthinkable, purely unimaginative..

The Bible plainly told us about this strict Monotheism, so why not believe that Jesus is the Father?

Remember:

Trinitarians maintained that Father, Son, and Spirit are three eternally distinct persons within the one essence1 of God. Trinitarians maintained the two truths that God is one and that Jesus is God, but did so at the expense of redefining "one" to mean a "unity" of three persons within the one essence of God. Such a redefining of monotheism brought the church to the borders of Tritheism. While it retained its belief in monotheism on a semantic level, it abandoned monotheism on the conceptual level.(Institute for Biblical Studies)

[Ironside]

Two wills imply two distinct persons


Lu 22:42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."



Here we have two wills---the Father's and the Son's. This would mean that they are two distinct persons


Two minds imply two persons


Mr 13:32 But of that day or of that hour no one knows, neither the angels who are in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father.



The distinctiveness of their persons is clearly laid out in Matthew 28:19:



"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”



Here we see the distinctiveness of persons. The verse has the definite article ‘THE’ before every person named. ‘THE Father, THE Son, THE Holy Spirit’ This means the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not the Father.




VERY IMPORTANT RULE IN GREEK


Greek grammar says the presence of the definite article identifies. The absence of it qualifies.
So that in the above verse there is not one person but three. But notice these distinct persons take up one name.



"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”



‘Name’ is in the singular. Name in the Bible is the expression of what the person named is in being. His name describes His nature or essence and character. These distinct persons take up one nature or essence and character. So if the Father is God, the Son is also God and also the Holy Spirit. If the Father is Lord, the Son is also Lord and also the Holy Spirit. If the Father is Holy, the Son is also Holy as well as the Spirit and etc.



Everything seems logical right at this point. But wait till you see another revelation from the Bible:



De 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!



That’s the “Nicean” Creed of the Israelites. “Lord” here is the name of God given to Moses: YHWH. “YHWH is one” the text says……. one yet three [Matthew 28:19].



John 14:16--"And I (Jesus Christ, the Son) will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter (the Holy Spirit)."

[Sinyalan]

murag naa man ang holy spirit bro ITACHI..
basaha dapit sa pagkabanhaw ni Jesus.
Kadto nagpakita siya sa iya mga tinun-an..

Ayaw sobra relax dha kay daghan pa ka basahonon sa imo libro..

mora man ni ug ingon... marami ka pang kakainin na bigas!

[Sinyalan]

iyang amahan (God the father) kay naa paman cya sa katibutan a2 na time.. karon nga naa naman pod cya sa langit (Godhead) kita napod mo ingon ug our father kay naa paman ta diri. katong pagka tao ni Jesus diri mao baya jud na atong sundon..

Na merge na diay?