Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

[itachi]

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GOD IS ONE GOD

The Bible clearly teaches that God is one God and not a multiple of Gods. Deuteronomy 6:4 says, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” And when we compare Malachi 2:10 with John 1:3 we see that Jesus must be part of that “one God” who created us.

In fact the Hebrew word for God in Genesis 1:1 is instructive -- elohiym is always used as a singular noun with a singular verb when it refers to the deity, and yet it is the plural form of the word. The Hebrew language itself may indicate to us that God is one and yet contains Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Naturally, this is beyond our human understanding

unya kadtong Elohim sa Hebrew brad, trinity to brad?

JESUS AND GOD ARE ONE

John 10:30, I and My Father are One

In Philippians 2:6 Paul says that Jesus has the very nature of God. And In Matthew 1:23 the Angel tells Mary that her baby will be named “God with us,”

The Jewish leaders understood that Jesus was claiming to be God, and they accused him of blasphemy in Mark 2:7, John 10:33, and John 5:18.

In John 20:28 Thomas calls Jesus “my God.” And in John 1:1 John calls Jesus God.

In Luke 22:42 Jesus clearly states that he has a will separate from the Father’s, “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”

unsa may buot ipasabot anang God and Jesus are one? meaning ba ana si Jesus mao pud ang Father?

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD

In Acts 5:3-4 Peter tells Ananias that he has lied to the Holy Spirit in verse 3 and in verse 4 says that he lied to God. This passage clearly indicates that these two are the same.

In 2 Peter 1:21 the words of the prophets are said to be both spoken from God and carried by the Holy Spirit.

When we compare the same event described in Exodus 17:7 and Hebrews 3:7-9, we see that in Exodus God is the one being tested. In Hebrews the Holy Spirit is the one being tested. Since both passages describe the same event, this indicates that God and the Holy Spirit are one.

In John 16:13 the Holy Spirit is said to not speak of himself but rather will speak what he hears, clearly indicating that the Holy Spirit has a separate will from God the Father and Jesus

tsk tsk tsk...wala ka kasabot sa imong gihatag nga verse brad...awa ha...ingon ka God pud ang Holy Spirit....

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

conclude dayon ka nga God ang Holy spirit...tsk tsk tsk...wala may nakabutang nga God ang Holy Spirit brad...

sayop ka brad...kung namakak gani ka sa Holy spirit, natural namakak jud ka sa Father but it does not mean nga Holy Spirit pud ang Father...

tsk tsk tsk... dia pag gyud...

2Pe 1:21 For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit.

bisayaon nato ha...

2Pe 1:21 Kay walay tagna, nga miabut pinaagi sa kabubut-on sa tawo, kondili ang balaang mga tawo sa Dios mingsulti, sa ginadala sila sa Espiritu Santo.

asa man diha nag ingon nga God pud ang Holy Spirit?

tsk tsk tsk!

dia pa gyud...

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.

asa man diha brad nga God ang Holy Spirit?

tsk tsk tsk....

GOD IS THE FATHER, SON, and HOLY SPIRIT

There are many scriptures that show the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit working together as three separate persons of the Godhead such as 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Peter 1:2, and Matthew 3:16-17.

In Matthew 28:19 Christ indicates the formula for baptizing new believers, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

In Ephesians 4:4-6 Paul tells us that there is one Spirit and one Lord Jesus and one God the Father indicating their equality in the Godhead.

akong ipang butang diri imong mga verse nga gipang hatag ha...summarize man nimo dili man nimo ibutang ug kompleto ang mga verses...

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Pe 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him;

Mat 3:17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.

sa imong gipang hatang nga mga verses brad, wala lagi ko kabasa ug trinity...

ing ani na siya brad...

Father = God

Son = God

ayaw na butangi ug trinity brad kay wala man kay nabasa nga trinity...sa imong gipang hatag nga mga verse wala man ko kabasa ug trinity. mag buot buot man lagi mog inyo...

tsk tsk tsk...

[boomer]

Hold your horses guys, break sa ta...related ni sa topic nato diri...just hold still for now and read the ice/eyes breaker below
hehehehe

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One day Satan challenged Jesus to a race to encode the whole Bible into the computer. Whoever, gets to encode Genesis to Revelations at the shortest possible time, wins the race. And the prize, Jesus will have to turn off the heat in hell for an hour if he loses.

Jesus didn't like the idea for he knows only carpentry and has not even touched a computer all his life. Satan has been at the helm of computers since its invention and is therefore an expert by all definitions.

Come on Jessie, this is just only a game...you know I've worked all my life to put many souls in hell, why don't you be so kind enough to ease a bit their suffering. You see, it's just only an hour man...come on, please?

Jesus having been so friendly with his enemies for the longest time says, "Ok, I still love you even if you're my enemy." I'll give in to your request, after this let's go back to business, deal?"

"Deal" Satan agrees with a tough voice.

They took the the 04C Jeepney and went straight to Sanciangko street and found Tresor's Internet Cafe. Satan seems to have a liking in the area since he frequents the place and always disguises himself as a preacher teaching lonely girls find a dirty old men from across the world.

"Ok Jessie, since you don't know about computers, I'll give you an hour to learn and of course, to get you learning quickly, I will be your assistant...this is really no brainer Jessie, you'll beat me in no time." Said the hell keeper.

So Jesus was struggling all the way from start up to shut down til he learned to do it by himself without Satan. Then he taught him Windows Office and in an hour Jesus was already using Word. The clever Satan told Jesus that the computer he was using was Open Office as the cafe was just recently raided by the NBI for using pirated software.

But Satan was up to something and knew that the computer Jesus was using was miserably harder because he knew too well that MS applications suck. So it gave him great advantage over Jesus.

Satan told Jesus not to worry because "they are the same office application" Jesus tried to confirm and saw that they did look the same and went on to his station. "See, no big deal Jessie!" he winked.

"Hey, Jessie I'm gonna be fair this time...well encode the same Bible, The King James version. Hows that for the game?" Satan grinned.

"Fair enough" Jesus said.

Satan showed two Bibles -- all looking the same. He handed the real King James version and kept the modern translation for himself. "I am so wise, I just fooled the greatest guy in the world!..harharhar he silently laughed.

Then at a count of 666, the game started...

Satan was laughing at the way Jesus keyed in the texts..."Hey Jessie, how did it go? Will take a nap for a while to buy you more time."

Then Jesus said: "What ever, but its great thanks!

After seven hours of encoding Satan woke up and saw Jesus was already in the New Testament. "Hey, going on to fast huh?" he yelled.

Feeling confident, Satan displayed his encoding mastery and caught up with Jesus in the final chapter of the Revelations. And almost about the same time Jesus and Satan said, "Done."

And Satan said, "Daug ko, yehey."
Hey, Lucio finished naman pod ko...tan-awa sa ako gi encode, naa naman gani file name.

while arguing who finished in first...suddenly, the cafe was in darkness.

The attendant said: "nagbrownout sir!"

Satan was screaming like crazy ...my filessssssssssssssssss!!!!

Lesson of the story: Jesus saves.

Back to topic!

story no.2 of 3 by David Sedaris

TITLE: Jesus Shaves

"HE NICE, THE JESUS. HE MAKE THE GOOD THINGS, AND ON THE EASTER WE BE SAD BECAUSE SOMEBODY MAKES HIM DEAD TODAY."

"And what does one do on the fourteenth of July? Does one celebrate Bastille Day?"

It was my second month of French class, and the teacher was leading us in an exercise designed to promote the use of one, our latest personal pronoun.

"Might one sing on Bastille Day?" she asked. "Might one dance in the street? Somebody give me an answer."

Printed in our textbooks was a list of major holidays alongside a scattered arrangement of photos depicting French people in the act of celebration. The object was to match the holiday with the corresponding picture. It was simple enough but seemed an exercise better suited to the use of the word they. I didn't know about the rest of the class, but when Bastille Day eventually rolled around, I planned to stay home and clean my oven.

Normally, when working from the book, it was my habit to tune out my fellow students and scout ahead, concentrating on the question I'd calculated might fall to me, but this afternoon, we were veering from the usual format. Questions were answered on a volunteer basis, and I was able to sit back, confident that the same few students would do the talking. Today's discussion was dominated by an Italian nanny, two chatty Poles, and a pouty, plump Moroccan woman who had grown up speaking French and had enrolled in the class to improve her spelling. She'd covered these lessons back in the third grade and took every opportunity to demonstrate her superiority. A question would be asked and she'd give the answer, behaving as though this were a game show and, if quick enough, she might go home with a tropical vacation or a side-by-side refrigerator-freezer. By the end of her first day, she'd raised her hand so many times, her shoulder had given out. Now she just leaned back in her seat and shouted the answers, her bronzed arms folded across her chest like some great grammar genie.

We finished discussing Bastille Day, and the teacher moved on to Easter, which was represented in our textbook by a black-and-white photograph of a chocolate bell lying upon a bed of palm fronds.

"And what does one do on Easter? Would anyone like to tell us?"

The Italian nanny was attempting to answer the question when the Moroccan student interrupted, shouting, "Excuse me, but what's an Easter?"

Despite her having grown up in a Muslim country, it seemed she might have heard it mentioned once or twice, but no. "I mean it," she said. "I have no idea what you people are talking about."

The teacher then called upon the rest of us to explain.

The Poles led the charge to the best of their ability. "It is," said one, "a party for the little boy of God who call his self Jesus and . . . oh, shit."

She faltered, and her fellow countryman came to her aid.

"He call his self Jesus, and then he be die one day on two . . . morsels of . . . lumber."

The rest of the class jumped in, offering bits of information that would have given the pope an aneurysm.

"He die one day, and then he go above of my head to live with your father."

"He weared the long hair, and after he died, the first day he come back here for to say hello to the peoples."

"He nice, the Jesus."

"He make the good things, and on the Easter we be sad because somebody makes him dead today."

Part of the problem had to do with grammar. Simple nouns such as cross and resurrection were beyond our grasp, let alone such complicated reflexive phrases as "To give of yourself your only begotten son." Faced with the challenge of explaining the cornerstone of Christianity, we did what any self-respecting group of people might do. We talked about food instead.

"Easter is a party for to eat of the lamb," the Italian nanny explained. "One, too, may eat of the chocolate."

"And who brings the chocolate?" the teacher asked.

I knew the word, and so I raised my hand, saying, "The Rabbit of Easter. He bring of the chocolate."

My classmates reacted as though I'd attributed the delivery to the Antichrist. They were mortified.

"A rabbit?" The teacher, assuming I'd used the wrong word, positioned her index fingers on top of her head, wiggling them as though they were ears. "You mean one of these? A rabbit rabbit?"

"Well, sure," I said. "He come in the night when one sleep on a bed. With a hand he have the basket and foods."

The teacher sadly shook her head, as if this explained everything that was wrong with my country. "No, no," she said. "Here in France the chocolate is brought by the big bell that flies in from Rome."

I called for a time-out. "But how do the bell know where you live?"

"Well," she said, "how does a rabbit?"

It was a decent point, but at least a rabbit has eyes. That's a start. Rabbits move from place to place, while most bells can only go back and forth--and they can't even do that on their own power. On top of that, the Easter Bunny has character; he's someone you'd like to meet and shake hands with. A bell has all the personality of a cast-iron skillet. It's like saying that come Christmas, a magic dustpan flies in from the North Pole, led by eight flying cinder blocks. Who wants to stay up all night so they can see a bell? And why fly one in from Rome when they've got more bells than they know what to do with right here in Paris? That's the most implausible aspect of the whole story, as there's no way the bells of France would allow a foreign worker to fly in and take their jobs. That Roman bell would be lucky to get work cleaning up after a French bell's dog--and even then he'd need papers. It just didn't add up.

Nothing we said was of any help to the Moroccan student. A dead man with long hair supposedly living with her father, a leg of lamb served with palm fronds and chocolate. Confused and disgusted, she shrugged her massive shoulders and turned her attention back to the comic book she kept hidden beneath her binder. I wondered then if, without the language barrier, my classmates and I could have done a better job making sense of Christianity, an idea that sounds pretty far-fetched to begin with.

In communicating any religious belief, the operative word is faith, a concept illustrated by our very presence in that classroom. Why bother struggling with the grammar lessons of a six-year-old if each of us didn't believe that, against all reason, we might eventually improve? If I could hope to one day carry on a fluent conversation, it was a relatively short leap to believing that a rabbit might visit my home in the middle of the night, leaving behind a handful of chocolate kisses and a carton of menthol cigarettes. So why stop there? If I could believe in myself, why not give other improbabilities the benefit of the doubt? I accepted the idea that an omniscient God had cast me in his own image and that he watched over me and guided me from one place to the next. The virgin birth, the resurrection, and the countless miracles--my heart expanded to encompass all the wonders and possibilities of the universe.

A bell, though, that's ****ed up.

[amingb]

unya kadtong Elohim sa Hebrew brad, trinity to brad?

unsa may buot ipasabot anang God and Jesus are one? meaning ba ana si Jesus mao pud ang Father?


tsk tsk tsk...wala ka kasabot sa imong gihatag nga verse brad...awa ha...ingon ka God pud ang Holy Spirit....

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

conclude dayon ka nga God ang Holy spirit...tsk tsk tsk...wala may nakabutang nga God ang Holy Spirit brad...

sayop ka brad...kung namakak gani ka sa Holy spirit, natural namakak jud ka sa Father but it does not mean nga Holy Spirit pud ang Father...

tsk tsk tsk... dia pag gyud...

2Pe 1:21 For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit.

bisayaon nato ha...

2Pe 1:21 Kay walay tagna, nga miabut pinaagi sa kabubut-on sa tawo, kondili ang balaang mga tawo sa Dios mingsulti, sa ginadala sila sa Espiritu Santo.

asa man diha nag ingon nga God pud ang Holy Spirit?

tsk tsk tsk!

dia pa gyud...

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.

asa man diha brad nga God ang Holy Spirit?

tsk tsk tsk....

akong ipang butang diri imong mga verse nga gipang hatag ha...summarize man nimo dili man nimo ibutang ug kompleto ang mga verses...

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Pe 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him;

Mat 3:17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also ye were called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.

sa imong gipang hatang nga mga verses brad, wala lagi ko kabasa ug trinity...

ing ani na siya brad...

Father = God

Son = God

ayaw na butangi ug trinity brad kay wala man kay nabasa nga trinity...sa imong gipang hatag nga mga verse wala man ko kabasa ug trinity. mag buot buot man lagi mog inyo...

tsk tsk tsk...

Dili na masabtan nimo brad basta e literal na nimo pag sabot ...
Nagpasabot lang na diha brad nga Isa rana sila but different intity... dinalang ta lalis ana brad ana oi ...

A trinity is a concept .. dili na mabasa nimo sa bible ang word nga Trinity ..

Sa ADD diay brad unsa may Doctrine ninyo ana ? ... unsa may teaching ni Bro Eli ana.

[itachi]

Dili na masabtan nimo brad basta e literal na nimo pag sabot ...
Nagpasabot lang na diha brad nga Isa rana sila but different intity... dinalang ta lalis ana brad ana oi ...

A trinity is a concept .. dili na mabasa nimo sa bible ang word nga Trinity ..

Sa ADD diay brad unsa may Doctrine ninyo ana ? ... unsa may teaching ni Bro Eli ana.

ang doctrine namo?

Father = God

Jesus = God

no more; no less

ayaw lagi pun i ang bible...kinsa may tuuhan nato? ikaw o ang bible?

kung wala kay nabasahan nga trinity, unsa may karapatan nimo nga mag termino kag trinity?

kulang pa diay ang bibliya para pun an nimo?

[boomer]

ang doctrine namo?

Father = God

Jesus = God

equals God 1 and God 2. or

with that equation alone Father=Son(jesssie)

this sounds quite familiar to the stupids theme song(corny movie) i'm my own grampa.


It sounds funny, I know,
But it really is so,
Oh, I'm my own grandpa.

I'm my own grandpa.
I'm my own grandpa.
It sounds funny, I know,
But it really is so,
Oh, I'm my own grandpa.

Now many, many years ago, when I was twenty-three,
I was married to a widow who was pretty as could be.
This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red.
My father fell in love with her, and soon they, too, were wed.

This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life,
My daughter was my mother, cause she was my father's wife.
To complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy,
I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.

My little baby then became a brother-in-law to Dad,
And so became my uncle, though it made me very sad.
For if he was my uncle, then that also made him brother
Of the widow's grown-up daughter, who, of course, was my stepmother.

Father's wife then had a son who kept him on the run,
And he became my grandchild, for he was my daughter's son.
My wife is now my mother's mother, and it makes me blue,
Because, although she is my wife, she's my grandmother, too.

Now if my wife is my grandmother, then I'm her grandchild,
And everytime I think of it, it nearly drives me wild,
For now I have become the strangest case you ever saw
As husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpa!

I'm my own grandpa.
I'm my own grandpa.
It sounds funny, I know, but it really is so,
Oh, I'm my own grandpa.

[necrotic freak]

ang doctrine namo?

Father = God

Jesus = God

no more; no less

ayaw lagi pun i ang bible...kinsa may tuuhan nato? ikaw o ang bible?

kung wala kay nabasahan nga trinity, unsa may karapatan nimo nga mag termino kag trinity?

kulang pa diay ang bibliya para pun an nimo?

nawagtang na ang Holy Spirit! mao diay ingani resulta sa mga membro ni Eliboy..hehehe walay giya sa espirito santo....

[necrotic freak]

@itachi san

palihug kuno ko ani du kung dili ba trinity..

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

actaully kanang termino nga trinity wala pa na suwat ang mga gospels gi gamit nana...

[amingb]

ang doctrine namo?

Father = God

Jesus = God

no more; no less

ayaw lagi pun i ang bible...kinsa may tuuhan nato? ikaw o ang bible?

kung wala kay nabasahan nga trinity, unsa may karapatan nimo nga mag termino kag trinity?

kulang pa diay ang bibliya para pun an nimo?

tan-awa sakto jud ko naa jud mo lain term ana ... parihas ra diay ta bro .. pun-i lang ug Holy Spirit ....

mao na problema ninyo gud ang Trinity is a Concept in Other word it is a Doctrine ...
dili man importante ug wala na cia sa Bible nga Word ang important is that Biblical bana siya ..

[amingb]

@itachi san

palihug kuno ko ani du kung dili ba trinity..

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

actaully kanang termino nga trinity wala pa na suwat ang mga gospels gi gamit nana...

Nice verse bro .. naa raman diay na isa ra ka verse

[Sinyalan]

question lang sa inyong mga nakahibalo... ug mo ampo mo ug "the lord's prayer" - "our father.. ba" kinsa man diay ang gipasabut ni jesus christ adto? Iyang kaugalingon o iyang amahan?