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  1. #1001

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40
    I know what you meant but the only issue here is , like you who is intelligent nor an average joe with commonsense , why include an INFORMATION that you know is good for nothing ? I dont think that would be included as an additional perspective bai . What the BEREANS portrayed was an obvious campaign against the FM.
    The Bereans' perspective is still INFORMATION ON THEIR OPINION/PERSPECTIVE...though with a PROPAGANDISTIC flair, it is not good for nothing...it will then be in your critical thinking and analysis TO AGREE OR DISAGREE why they made that perspective coz they also have basis on their opinion from the Bible.

    Just like the "official" FM sites, they are also INFORMATION w/ a propagandistic flair. and i also consider their information to add to my perspective...i don't do "selective research" bro...and that's common sense.

    if u read a newspaper, there are news clips as well as editorial & opinion columns, but they are all information...

    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40
    Not even a 33rd degree Mason would do that , how much more of an unknown iSTORYAN ? What only happened was , it just richocheted on you because you are using a " perspective " from a medioum that is a " propaganda " against the FM . I have no problem with that either , that is you call of using it as a gained knowledge or maybe a form of an issue so we can continue to discuss about it between the FM and the Bereans.
    who said it ricocheted to me? i only stated in my previous posts the Berean's perspective, is that a crime?...of course, FM vs Bereans is an issue...it has been an issue long before we even talked about this topic...and yes, it is another viewpoint so we can continue to discuss about FM, but it is for all istoryans to discuss about if they want to. besides, this FM vs Bereans issue was already a given...and u should even thank me for finding out about the Bereans site for that matter...otherwise, limited ra ang atoang discussion.

    don't get me wrong, i look for facts and opinions, and it doesnt matter if it is anti, neutral, or pro to an issue...

    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40
    We dont even have to use the words EMBRACE and RESPECT but in the simplest form of the phrase " LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS UNCONDITIONALLY " is sufficient enough to say that we dont need no PRISET to clarify it .
    there's nothing to argue about that "love ur neighbors unconditionally". but we cannot discontinue using the words "embrace" and "respect" on this issue and tell the difference between them coz they are part of the discussion regarding FM.

    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40
    At least we agree on that but I personally doesnt based anything on theories because I am a certain person .
    of course, we can't argue on that coz i just stated the description of "divine command theory" based from wiki...

    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40
    I know the radicals has nothing to do with islam but is only trying to use it gain sympathy . My point was, FM is not even violence , ngano ma complicate man na spare man gani ang islam in general from the extremist ?
    i know...my simple analysis lang is that FM embraces all religion, therefore including Christians. and the Christian faith is not into that idea...well, except the Mormons...and i see that is the main problem here...we can't argue on this, do we?

    Islam doesn't embrace Christian faith ky of course lahi man cla ug tinohoan ug dili man ni cla "all-religion". a Muslim is a Muslim and cannot be a Muslim and a Christian at the same time...

    and i know dili religion ang FM, but the non-secular nature, and the practice of PLURALISM and UNIVERSALISM of this brotherhood is what the Christian faith is not agreeable to...it is just like the case of RC not in favor of abstaining from eating meat (except during Holy Week) which is a practice of the Sabadistas. and RC respects that practice, but not embrace it.

    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40
    True ... but I firmly believe that the Vatican is only using that as an excuse because there is more to it . Indeed FM respected the Vatican , vatican has been infiltrated by the FM for centuries bai , if they really wanted it , RC is long gone . The only way to cut down a tree is uproot it which is obviously , Vatican is the root . It may sound impossible but it just never happen because for what ? Because FM respects and embraces all men of religion which is the greatest love and acceptance of all .
    it's ur opinion but i don't think it is an excuse...the Vatican has doctrines to follow lang just like any other Christian faiths other than RC. it is not only RC that admonishes pluralism and universalism, u know.

    yes, i know that the Vatican (or we can say all the religions) has been infiltrated by the FM's for centuries...that's a fact. u could also say that if they (FM) really wanted it, RC could have been long gone.

    i only have 2 simple questions w/ simple answers to provide the situation between FM & RC:

    (1) Does FM "respect" the church's stance on not allowing their flock to join FM? of course they should...but the FM's who accepts RC's should also inform them the consequences of their actions...

    (2) Does the church "respect" the FM's stance on allowing RC's to join FM? of course they should...but the RC's who join FM should also know the consequences of their actions...

    all actions have their corresponding consequences, do u agree on that? and u cannot say that a RC joining a FM would not create a consequence, do u?

    ana ra ka simple akoa analysis bro...ug di nato na malalis nga scenario between RC and FM...

    if we wanna insist that a RC joining FM is alright, it is never alright...coz the Christian faith tells us it's not. otherwise, you rebel...hehe

  2. #1002

    Default Re: FREE MASONRY - the Principles

    Info from the Bereans is good, credible sad sila, I researched on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pijavier
    Info from the Bereans is good, credible sad sila, I researched on them.
    well, they are a Phil-based Christian research ministry dealing with exposing the errors of heretical cultic groups in the Philippines...they are also conducting cult awareness seminars and composing tracts and articles.

    Actually, they are also citing errors on:

    (1) foreign cults in Christianity (Jehovah, Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist,etc.),
    (2) domestic cults in Christianity (Kingdom of Apollo Quiboloy, INC, PBMA, Jesus Miracle Crusade, etc.),
    (3) major world religions (RC, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism)
    (4) Eastern Cults and Other Belief Systems (Faith healing, Fung shui, horoscopes, etc.)
    (5) Western Cults and Other Belief Systems (Freemasonry, Liberation Theology),
    ,and
    (6) New Age cults (Raelian, Theosophy)...

    here's one excerpt from them:

    "Cult Profiles: As Christian revival sweeps in various parts of our nation, counterfeit beliefs (foreign and domestic) continue to persist-prying on believers and non-believers alike-giving false hope to every Filipinos. These are some of those who have already crept inside our country creating spiritual gangrene in the different levels of our society..."

    here's the full page: http://www.thebereans.net/prof-index.shtml

    anyway, don't get me wrong. i'm not a fan of the Bereans...


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    http://www.thebereans.net/prof-index.shtml

    The Mission

    To help and equip the individual Christians, lay leaders and members alike, on being grounded in the essentials of the Scripture and assisting them on contending "earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3) against those who oppose and pervert sound biblical teachings.

    >> oppose and pervert biblical teachings?.. hehehe!

    The Vision

    To advance God's kingdom in the Philippines by sharing the love, grace, and salvation of Jesus Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit in the sphere of aberrant Christian teachings and unorthodox faith.

    >> yeah right.. hahaha..

    with all the negativity in the site, i just cant go on.. hehe..
    calling other religion as false and cults, wow.. and i guess they are also saying heaven is only for them.. hehe..
    now thats being selfish and as far as i know, that aint the true Christian way..

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    The Movie National Treasure was funded by FreeMasons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by b|tcH_g0dd3sS
    The Movie National Treasure was funded by FreeMasons?
    Really? How true is this? so they are no longer staying in secret?

    have you heard the song remix "uninvited" by the freemasons? (youtube)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JX
    http://www.thebereans.net/prof-index.shtml

    with all the negativity in the site, i just cant go on.. hehe..
    calling other religion as false and cults, wow.. and i guess they are also saying heaven is only for them.. hehe..
    now thats being selfish and as far as i know, that aint the true Christian way..
    OT:
    hahaha...actually, it is an interesting site, though lahi ug approach, some of their info holds water...if u r a RC, click their "Romanist or Latin Christianity" article and u will know what i mean. hahaha.

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    categorized: anti-pro-neutral.. hehe.. its all the same approach.. i am a rom catholic and what i learned from my catechism is what i am applying even until to this day.. have a good heart, dont judge, etc.. hehe.. when i was still a kid, id go with my friends who are sabadista's and then on sundays, with my family.. its fun.. then back in college, id get invited with my landlords outing, theyre Jehovahs Witness.. then there was one time Id go with my cousin walking to the barrios coz he was assigned in asia, and he's a mormon..
    just my own, site did not interest me coz all in all, its judging other people's practices.. hehe..

  9. #1009

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    @ PIJAVIER .... unless its the MASONS themselves would procalim and explaine such issues then its what we call KNOWLEDGE and other than that , all are either " researched " knowledge that is still not certain or personal point of views utilizing logical and commonsense thinking / analysis .

    @ GIDDYBOY ....

    Mo taas ug magkalukot na ang atong diskusyon about the relationship of RC and FM . For me , INCONSISTENT lang ang vatican because all laws / heirarchies / theories / decisions etc are just man made ang was only made specific to the flock by the shepherds .

    A good example would that be like yesterday , ASH WEDNESDAY , it was only a mad made decision to instill DISCIPLINE into the flock the idea of FASTING or not eating any MEAT . My point is , FAITH will save us and not our RELIGION / CHURCH . I cant do nothing about the relationship of RC towards the FM's , what the FM's can do though is still continue to RESPECT the RC and all other religions and even the atheist in the world .
    " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America

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    Quote Originally Posted by JX
    http://www.thebereans.net/prof-index.shtml

    The Mission

    To help and equip the individual Christians, lay leaders and members alike, on being grounded in the essentials of the Scripture and assisting them on contending "earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3) against those who oppose and pervert sound biblical teachings.

    >> oppose and pervert biblical teachings?.. hehehe!

    The Vision

    To advance God's kingdom in the Philippines by sharing the love, grace, and salvation of Jesus Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit in the sphere of aberrant Christian teachings and unorthodox faith.

    >> yeah right.. hahaha..

    with all the negativity in the site, i just cant go on.. hehe..
    calling other religion as false and cults, wow.. and i guess they are also saying heaven is only for them.. hehe..
    now thats being selfish and as far as i know, that aint the true Christian way..
    Let's stick to the Free Masonry Topics guys.

    Besides a lot of Religions in the other threads are already claiming only they can be saved, including those that say a person can only be saved through the Holy Sacraments and Catechism.

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