Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

[bcasabee]

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^^^Aw so mga maayo diayng mga Protestante bro? Nganong wala man ka mo join nila?

[necrotic freak]

Now Protestantism arose in the sixteenth century in reaction to such claims and teachings of the Roman church. In the Middle Ages, most within the church had believed that the Bible and the tradition of the church taught the same, or at least complementary, doctrines. But as Luther and others studied the Bible with a greater care and depth than the church had done in centuries, they began to discover that tradition actually contradicted the Bible. They discovered that, for example:

(1) The Bible teaches that the office of bishop and presbyter are the same office (Titus 1:5-7), but tradition says they are different offices.

(2) The Bible teaches that all have sinned except Jesus (Romans 3:10-12, Hebrews 4:15), but tradition says that Mary was sinless.

(3) The Bible teaches that Christ offered His sacrifice once for all (Hebrews 7:27, 9:28, 10:10), but tradition says that the priest sacrifices Christ on the altar at mass.

(4) The Bible says that we are not to bow down to statues (Exodus 20:4, 5), but tradition says that we should bow down to statues.

(5) The Bible says that all Christians are saints and priests (Ephesians 1:1; 1 Peter 2:9), but tradition says that saints and priests are special castes within the Christian community.

(6) The Bible says that Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5), but tradition says Mary is co-mediator with Christ.

(7) The Bible says that all Christians should know that they have eternal life (1 John 5:13), but tradition says that all Christians cannot and should not know that they have eternal life.

The Reformers saw that the words of Jesus to the Pharisees applied equally to their day: “You nullify the Word of God for the sake of your tradition” (Matthew 15:6).

...and do you think the practicing catholics will believe you on these? catholics know better than what you are accusing.

i-examine ug has-hasi usa ug maayo bro ang pasangil una nimo tunlon.. abi kay mao man gi post sa anti-catholic sites mo bahog dayon ka..

[amingb]

...and do you think the practicing catholics will believe you on these? catholics know better than what you are accusing.

i-examine ug has-hasi usa ug maayo bro ang pasangil una nimo tunlon.. abi kay mao man gi post sa anti-catholic sites mo bahog dayon ka..

Mao raman na mga Issue ngano wala nagka hi usa ang Christianismo ... mura ug dili naman na ma Settle ... if na Justified na sa Catholics nga Tradition then wala untay division.

[bcasabee]

^^^Bro, the roman catholic church is a solid church, wala mi division sa amoa.......Ambot lang kaha sa inyo kung nganong nakatag nang inyong Christian church..

[amingb]

^^^Bro, the roman catholic church is a solid church, wala mi division sa amoa.......Ambot lang kaha sa inyo kung nganong nakatag nang inyong Christian church..

Nagkatag na cia but they have the same doctrine .... dapat jud unta kay we have the same God same lang pud unta ang Doctrine ... mao na naay Division.

[bcasabee]

Na justified man bro......
Kung strikto kaayo ka sa Scripture bro(Sola Scriptura), mura ka ug nagpinarehas sa mga Pharisees(The pharisees were so strict with the Sctripture, they would rather not help a drowning sheep on the well, than to be disturbed in their observance of the Sabbath day).
Di ba niingon man si Christo, the scriptures were made for man, and not man for the scriptures? CORRECT? buot ipasabot bro, nga ang tawo naay katungod, sa pagbend gamay sa rule(every rules has always exceptions, CORRECT?) So, ngan ang church is composed of men, therefore the church has the right to bend rules in the scripture for practicality's sake.
Sumala gud, is your church very strict with the implementation of the 10% tithe? Kung dili siya strictly implemented, buot ipasabot, ang inyong church ni exercise lang sa iyang katungod pag bend ug rule, para makatabang sa mga pobre nga dili ka afford anang 10% tithe. CORRECT? Kay kung Sola Scriptura ta, mura ta ug mga amaw nga nangandoy maka-kab-ot sa buwan kay imposible kaayo sa tawo, nga 100% nga strikto sundon ang kasulatan.CORRECT?
So mao nang logical ra nga ang Church is above the Bible...CORRECT?

Mao raman na mga Issue ngano wala nagka hi usa ang Christianismo ... mura ug dili naman na ma Settle ... if na Justified na sa Catholics nga Tradition then wala untay division.

[bcasabee]

Sige, bro, enumerate kuno ang inyong mga doctrine? Ngano man lagi si Carboloy nga pareha nimo nga Christian nga dili man daw siya mo associate ug mga unclean(with backing of the Bible verses), pero ikaw kay ok ra nimo? Gi unsa man ni siya pagka parehas?

Nagkatag na cia but they have the same doctrine .... dapat jud unta kay we have the same God same lang pud unta ang Doctrine ... mao na naay Division.

[necrotic freak]

Mao raman na mga Issue ngano wala nagka hi usa ang Christianismo ... mura ug dili naman na ma Settle ... if na Justified na sa Catholics nga Tradition then wala untay division.

aber kinsa may nag mugna sa divisions? nga before thr reformation wala may division.. usa ra jud ka catholic church..

[necrotic freak]

Nagkatag na cia but they have the same doctrine .... dapat jud unta kay we have the same God same lang pud unta ang Doctrine ... mao na naay Division.

they have the same doctrine bro? ang denomination sa reformers? ayaw jud mag sukti ana kay mauwawan lang ka..hehe

[amingb]

3:18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.