Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

[schtriga]

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naa ba sa bible nga si Jesus Christ ginganlan ug Sto. Nino pagkabata niya?

ug based sa wikipedia nagsugod ang story about sto nino around 13th century and originated in Spain.

[Oakboy]

inyourface wrote:
RE:Sto. Niño "MABASA BA SA BIBLIA Letra-4-letra?"

taympa mr. author morag espanyol man tingali na nga pulong noh hehehe!? "Sto. Niño" kon sa bisaya pa balaan nga bata, santos/saint nga bata, usa ka manunubos og uban pang e tawag nimo kaniya isip manluluwas..mga igsoon ayaw liboga inyong huna2x ayaw i kompara ang bata og ang adult nga Jesus Christ kai madako man magamay si Jesus Christ ra gihapon na usa ka manluluwas, giampoan og gi mahal..

ikaw ipakita dayon ang verse gikan sa biblia nga naay Sto. Niño nga ampoan, ludhan, iprosisyon, naa pa gyud hubo nga event.

Peace!

Brother rcruman what is the purpose of Posting the word Peace sa imo post morag malain man ang mga devotees ini? palihug bro naa baya ta mga fellow istoryans here nga mga Sto. Niño devotee..

[barcode 999]

jesus was not writing,
he was giving direction to mary magdaline
kay og dili mo salir iya explination nya ma bato jud c magdaline......
iya gi tagaan escape route para maka lusot jud!

[amingb]

Venerating Saints through Images are Doctrine made from Vatican the Product is Paganism Injecting Into Christianity ... Very Unbiblical Therefore a False Doctrine.

[necrotic freak]

Venerating Saints through Images are Doctrine made from Vatican the Product is Paganism Injecting Into Christianity ... Very Unbiblical Therefore a False Doctrine.

nice conclusion bro.. then whats the True Doctrine?

[amingb]

nice conclusion bro.. then whats the True Doctrine?

God has declared that whoever adds to or takes away from His Word is subject to His curse, so therefore the Word of God or the Scripture should be the basis of Christian Doctrine.

[bcasabee]

I can sense that you are just underestimating the intelligence and capability of the people Roman Catholic Church. Vatican is not the Roman Catholic Church, it is the center of leadership of the Roman Catholic Church. And the truths being proclaimed by the Roman Catholic Church were being studied meticulously by highly intelligent individuals as a group before it is being proclaimed as truths.

Your Sola Scriptura doctrine is the false doctrine, for Jesus and the disciples didn't taught by drowning people of scripture verses but by being tolerant to others(and not calling them pagans), healing, casting away demons and giving simple lessons that are very applicable to people in their day to day lives and in some extreme cases, they taught by using the language of their audiences.
In my opinion, the Pharisees in Jesus time were also using the Sola Scriptura principle, such that, they would rather let a sheep which is drowing in the well die on a sabbath day, than being disturbed observing the sabbath day for the Sabbath day is on the sacred scripture, and since it is on the scripture, it must be strictly followed. Now, is it worth to twist the rules a bit, to make it more applicable to our pracitical lives, so that the life of that sheep can be saved? And Jesus said, the scriptures were made for men, and not the men for the scriptures. And the church is composed of men, therefore the church is above the scriptures.

Venerating Saints through Images are Doctrine made from Vatican the Product is Paganism Injecting Into Christianity ... Very Unbiblical Therefore a False Doctrine.

[bcasabee]

Anyway, that verse must have come from the book of revelation. I am not sure if that verse refers to the Bible or just the Book of Revelation. And I don't know the official stand of the Catholic Church regarding this.

But since it seems you are referring to the whole Bible which is being referred to the passages you have just posted.
Alright, the first Bible were compiled by Roman Catholics and then when the Protestants came, they took away two books from it. Who do you think is cursed now?

God has declared that whoever adds to or takes away from His Word is subject to His curse, so therefore the Word of God or the Scripture should be the basis of Christian Doctrine.

[amingb]

Anyway, that verse must have come from the book of revelation. I am not sure if that verse refers to the Bible or just the Book of Revelation. And I don't know the official stand of the Catholic Church regarding this.

But since it seems you are referring to the whole Bible which is being referred to the passages you have just posted.
Alright, the first Bible were compiled by Roman Catholics and then when the Protestants came, they took away two books from it. Who do you think is cursed now?

Not even all Catholic "Church Fathers" believed the Apocrypha was scripture.

Not that this really means anything. The truth is not validated by the false. Nevertheless, this may be of interest to some... Jerome (340-420) rejected the Apocrypha:

"As the Church reads the books of Judith and Tobit and Maccabees but does not receive them among the canonical Scriptures, so also it reads Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus for the edification of the people, not for the authoritative confirmation of doctrine."

Jerome
Jerome's preface to the books of Solomon



Why the Apocrypha Isn't in the Bible.

Not one of the apocryphal books is written in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament. All Apocryphal books are in Greek, except one which is extant only in Latin.
None of the apocryphal writers laid claim to inspiration.
The apocryphal books were never acknowledged as sacred scriptures by the Jews, custodians of the Hebrew scriptures (the apocrypha was written prior to the New Testament). In fact, the Jewish people rejected and destroyed the apocrypha after the overthow of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
The apocryphal books were not permitted among the sacred books during the first four centuries of the real Christian church (I'm certainly not talking about the Catholic religion which is not Christian).
The Apocrypha contains fabulous statements which not only contradict the "canonical" scriptures but themselves. For example, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in three different places.
The Apocrypha includes doctrines in variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection. The following verses are taken from the Apocrypha translation by Ronald Knox dated 1954:
Basis for the doctrine of purgatory:

2 Maccabees 12:43-45, 2.000 pieces of silver were sent to Jerusalem for a sin-offering...Whereupon he made reconciliation for the dead, that they might be delivered from sin.
Salvation by works:

Ecclesiasticus 3:30, Water will quench a flaming fire, and alms maketh atonement for sin.
Tobit 12:8-9, 17, It is better to give alms than to lay up gold; for alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin.

Magic:

Tobit 6:5-8, If the Devil, or an evil spirit troubles anyone, they can be driven away by making a smoke of the heart, liver, and gall of a fish...and the Devil will smell it, and flee away, and never come again anymore.
Mary was born sinless (immaculate conception):

Wisdom 8:19-20, And I was a witty child and had received a good soul. And whereas I was more good, I came to a body undefiled.
It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assasination and magical incantation.
No apocryphal book is referred to in the New Testament whereas the Old Testament is referred to hundreds of times.
Because of these and other reasons, the apocryphal books are only valuable as ancient documents illustrative of the manners, language, opinions and history of the East.

[bcasabee]

So who compiled the first Bible?

Not even all Catholic "Church Fathers" believed the Apocrypha was scripture.

Not that this really means anything. The truth is not validated by the false. Nevertheless, this may be of interest to some... Jerome (340-420) rejected the Apocrypha:

"As the Church reads the books of Judith and Tobit and Maccabees but does not receive them among the canonical Scriptures, so also it reads Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus for the edification of the people, not for the authoritative confirmation of doctrine."

Jerome
Jerome's preface to the books of Solomon



Why the Apocrypha Isn't in the Bible.

Not one of the apocryphal books is written in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament. All Apocryphal books are in Greek, except one which is extant only in Latin.
None of the apocryphal writers laid claim to inspiration.
The apocryphal books were never acknowledged as sacred scriptures by the Jews, custodians of the Hebrew scriptures (the apocrypha was written prior to the New Testament). In fact, the Jewish people rejected and destroyed the apocrypha after the overthow of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
The apocryphal books were not permitted among the sacred books during the first four centuries of the real Christian church (I'm certainly not talking about the Catholic religion which is not Christian).
The Apocrypha contains fabulous statements which not only contradict the "canonical" scriptures but themselves. For example, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in three different places.
The Apocrypha includes doctrines in variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection. The following verses are taken from the Apocrypha translation by Ronald Knox dated 1954:
Basis for the doctrine of purgatory:

2 Maccabees 12:43-45, 2.000 pieces of silver were sent to Jerusalem for a sin-offering...Whereupon he made reconciliation for the dead, that they might be delivered from sin.
Salvation by works:

Ecclesiasticus 3:30, Water will quench a flaming fire, and alms maketh atonement for sin.
Tobit 12:8-9, 17, It is better to give alms than to lay up gold; for alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin.

Magic:

Tobit 6:5-8, If the Devil, or an evil spirit troubles anyone, they can be driven away by making a smoke of the heart, liver, and gall of a fish...and the Devil will smell it, and flee away, and never come again anymore.
Mary was born sinless (immaculate conception):

Wisdom 8:19-20, And I was a witty child and had received a good soul. And whereas I was more good, I came to a body undefiled.
It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assasination and magical incantation.
No apocryphal book is referred to in the New Testament whereas the Old Testament is referred to hundreds of times.
Because of these and other reasons, the apocryphal books are only valuable as ancient documents illustrative of the manners, language, opinions and history of the East.