Atheism

[forester]

I am not afraid of the mythical hell sir; what I'm afraid of is the hostilities of credulity and ignorance which is the REAL HELL.

[tripwire]

its the best way for them to be afraid ... pero wala may Atheist nag post diri ....

Correct sir. Wa koy nakit-an nga mga atheist diri nga ni post... meaning the don't believe it. why would they afraid if they don't believe it in the first place?

hihihi... undang na ko ani nga topic because mapagkamalan pa ko nga ni abin ug atheist. Thanks for the exchange of ideas sir.

[amingb]

I am not afraid of the mythical hell sir; what I'm afraid of is the hostilities of credulity and ignorance which is the REAL HELL.

Much more you will not believe the Bible ? .. i think Sir you have read it but youre just denying yourself tungod cguro sa kataas na sa imoha knowledge about Human Philisophy much of it is contradictual to the Scripture.

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" (Matthew 25:41).

The scripture say if you will depart from Him you are cursed into everlasting fire. Hell is Reality and not Mythical

[NASYO]

we are all GODS..
Living within us is GOD..

we all are GODS..
We can make a difference in every little thing we make..

even IMAGINING..

[brownprose]

Just allow me to play the semantics of the question:

1. Ang inyo bang pagtuo nga ana-ay dios - mao bay MAKAPA-ANAA sa dios?

Yes. Believing is a basic requirement TO CAUSE the existence of a God - or it is "faith in action." The word "faith" in the Septuagint assumes a verb connotation [peithein "to persuade"] and transmuted to form "pistis" or faith. You may ask, what does this got to do with God's existence? It means that God's existence requires not just faith but "faithing."

The act of faithing consists of such other acts (establishment of a religion, forms of worship or dogma) representing man's constant search for God.

2. Ang pagtuo ba sa butang nga dili masusi maoy sukdanan aron mamahimong ana-a ang butang nga gituho-an?

Basically no. It would be interesting to see my answer # 3

3. Isipon bang naglungtad (existing) ang butang nga dili masusi, wala masusi, dili mapakita ug dili maproybahan sa katinuoran?

Not necessarily. Call it a paradox, but there are things that can be proven although they are impossible to prove. How does that figure?

Borrowing the Philosophy of Dialectical Materialism, it is impossible to prove God's existence because there exists no hard evidence to prove the presence of a god. Proponents of this philosophy relegates the task of knowing all truth to science. "If science can get to know everything about matter, then it can get to know about everything." Conclusively in this philosophy, matter is accepted as the beginning and ending of all reality.

However, despite the advances of science, it is also saddled by the reality that IT CANNOT KNOW EVERYTHING.

Matter-of-factly speaking, All that matters is not just matter alone. In fact, the origin of matter is one existence that science cannot explain. Questions like what was the first matter or where did it come from still puzzle any great scientist today. And since we don't know the origin of matter then someone must have created matter.

IF THERE IS AN EFFECT (matter) THERE MUST BE A CAUSE.

4. Nganong ang pagtuo man ang perming MOPADAYAG sa dios ug dili ang gituho-an nga dios maoy mamahayag sa pagkatinuod sa dios?

I don't have a clear answer to this. But in my own humble opinion, God reveals himself in many ways [as he created man in many colors] for man to transcend beyond his religion or color that God is not a God exclusive only to the whites or the Christians.

From a Christian standpoint, Paul says: "God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him" (Acts 17:27). That probably explains why God continues to be a mystery to this day.

5. Dili ba diay makatarunganon nga ang dili mamakak nga dios ang mosulti sa iyang pagkadios? Ug dili ang tawong mamakak ang mosulti mahitungod sa iyang pagkadios? or dili ang iyang mga alalay nga anghel?

I believe my answer would be the same as my answer in #4.

6. Dili ba eksato nga samtang walay tinuoray nga proyba sa dios, ang huna-huna adunay katungod sa dili pagtuo ug pagdawat sa maong pagtuo?

Yes. we all have the right to believe or choose not to believe in God. What is important is we have shared goals for the betterment of humanity.

7. Maproybahan ba lang ang butang pinaagi sa mga sinulat nga nilalisan,nga gani wala pa kauyoni sa mga magtutoo?

No. The Bible, the Qu'ran and such other literatures of faith are merely expressions, articulations of who God is and what people believe to be what God expects from man (faith and doctrine).

8. Dili ba tinuod nga ang gitawag og WALA dili gayud mapamatud-an sa eksatong pasikaranan? sama sa ubo sa dios or igham sa dios nga madungog sa mga dili motuo aron maoy proyba sa dios?

I don't know if I understand you correctly. But I guess you're asking if there's a way for God to reveal for man to prove directly that He is there other than scripture.

In my own humble opinion, God is revealed everyday. Call this another BS of mine, God speaks to us in the silence of His creation.

9. Unya'g ana-ay dios, hain man? Ana-a sa huna-huna? Dili kini maoy gipangayo sa mga dili motuo!

If we were to base God's existence on material evidence. There's no way for us to prove God. However, the nearest theory to reasonably point the existence of God is the CAUSE AND EFFECT Theory

10. kung ang tuyo sa dios mao nga ang tawo motuo kaniya, nganong gibutangan man og maayong kaispan ang tawo sa pagpangita og proyba?

So we may learn to accept the finiteness of our intellect. God probably wants us to use our intellect not to question his absence but to acknowledge the simplicity of His presence that He is around us. We only need to look around in the hearts of good men and the wonders that unfold in nature each passing day.

Just be guided by these arguments. PURELY ACADEMICS, NOTHING PERSONAL.

Forester, they are legitimate questions. Naglisud gyud ko ug tubag because they are at the outset philosophical questions. I hope I didn't fail.

[The_Child]

@The_Child:

"kinsa man ta para mo hatag kung unsay tuyo sa Diyos para sa katawhan?" PRECISELY. Then why are all of you made an answer for his behalf? Can't you see the substance of the questioning?

Just a clarification sir, the guide questions were calling for an intelligent-concrete answers and NOT FOR "assumptio non probata" answers, otherwise the person will be answering those according to his unsupported belief on god/God and not according with his intelligent perceptions. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, it only indicates that you are thinking about it well.

Addendum: There is an irreversible defect in your argument such as that "ang dili mahuna-huna wala, ang mahuna-huna naa" Try to think if it is correct, then, what about our concept on "wala"? Mahuna-huna man ang "wala", asa man karon ang gitawag og "wala"?

Hasty generalization there, in reference to, "are all of you... "

but allow me to humbly ask how do you contextualize what you meant that it is "not for 'assumptio non probata'?"

On Wala, (reminds me of that phrase, sa ateneo may nag Memeron, sa Santo Tomas may nag Wawala.)
when i refered to it, i refered to it as a second-order description. (Sakto ba? ang terminology)


When Parmenides said: What is is, what is not is not (forgive me i dont know the greek) he was refering to his central thesis that What could not be thought of could not exist which paved way for his argument that there is no such thing as change, generation, duality...
so when i said that, i was merely refering to Parmenides.

Could we really think of 'wala' or are we thinking of a concept that describes "wala." How could one think of Nothing? is it not out from a via negativa?from binary opposition contrasting something with its opposite?

At the end I find this n interesting issue. You think it is possible to think of Pure Nothing?

Could we actually think of Nothing? or just a concept of Nothing?
I'm not very familiar with Cognition and Language, perhaps you could enlighten us with your idea, perhaps?

and at the end, Kant's project reveals that he has done it all in the realm of metaphysics, and concluded that we could never know that which is beyond reason and sense-experience. Enter Faith.

I am interested with Nothing though. Do elaborate with it, i'll do my best to catch-up.

[Sinyalan]

I like to think guys that you're beginning to understand what atheists do.

And btw, amindb... no offense brod, but you don't seem to grasp the idea of "absense of dieties". heaven, hell, purgatory, cloud 9, etc... all comes from a preconceived or brainwashed ideals... handed down from your great (10x) grand parents to you.

points to ponder amindb, there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists obey.

[dartzed]

Atheism mao ni cla gitawag na cool guys;
to see is to believe ila stand;
they dont believe in God's word kay wala cla kita ni God mao wala cya mutuo niya..

ako pangutana kita ba kaha na cla sa tao nga nghimo sa theories on science sah?.. like gravity, buoyancy, etc....

libog ko gamay...

hehehe

[dartzed]

If Someone denies God Existience ... Hell is the Destination ... Sure jud na ....

d ko mutuo ug hell hadlok2x rana..

hehehe

[NASYO]

naa man tali HELL, naa sa word nga HELLO..

hehehe..