Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

[geoseph]

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This reminds me of an old joke...

God asked both Christ and Satan to come up with their proposals for the universe, and whoever comes up first with a comprehensive proposal might be considered to rule by his side.

Both took the challenge, and starting typing away on their desktop computers (old joke na ni, and atong panahuna, few people had UPS in their homes, and notebooks were rare). When both were about finished, electrical power suddenly disappeared.

Satan was fuming mad that he lost all of his work. Christ was just silent, and waited patiently to resume with work. When power returned, Christ took a bit more time then, to Satan's surprise, He started printing His proposal, and then submitted it to God.

Satan was intensely jealous, and could not imagine how Christ could have rewritten everything so fast; he felt cheated, and started complaining.

God then read the proposal, and finally declared Christ can rule by his side. Satan protested and requested a rematch. Satan complained it wasn't fair because the power outage messed the contest up.

God declined and said Christ had won the contest fair and square. God said, the reason Christ won the contest is because "Jesus saves."

[randymunz]

Ac 4:12 "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."


Where else can we find salvation for our souls except in the Savior who alone died for the sins of sinners and came back again to life.


Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

to add in mark 16:16 Jesus said, He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 3:1-5 Jesus said except a man be born again of water and of the spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

So born again is not a religion it's a command, and take note of that word except- it means there's no other way. Others would say its not really of necessity because its like going 2 colon a lot of route u can take and all will lead 2 colon, but going 2 heaven s not d same as going 2 colon.

Jesus said in the book of matt.7:21 not all that call unto me lord lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my father w/c is in heaven.Doing or following God's will is of utmost importance when it comes 2 the issue of heaven.

There is a way for one to be born in the natural realm and that is by way of the natural birth. And same thing is true to be born in the spiritual realm one must undergo the process by w/c Christ himself explicitly expounded in his word.

The bible said all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Sinners are spiritually dead though he is much alive physically. So for a person 2 be spiritually living he must follow the instruction of Christ be born again of water and of the spirit.

So a sinner must repent af all his sins and be born again by baptism in water and of the spirit.

[geoseph]

to add in mark 16:16 Jesus said, He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 3:1-5 Jesus said except a man be born again of water and of the spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

So born again is not a religion it's a command, and take note of that word except- it means there's no other way. Others would say its not really of necessity because its like going 2 colon a lot of route u can take and all will lead 2 colon, but going 2 heaven s not d same as going 2 colon.

Jesus said in the book of matt.7:21 not all that call unto me lord lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my father w/c is in heaven.Doing or following God's will is of utmost importance when it comes 2 the issue of heaven.

There is a way for one to be born in the natural realm and that is by way of the natural birth. And same thing is true to be born in the spiritual realm one must undergo the process by w/c Christ himself explicitly expounded in his word.

The bible said all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Sinners are spiritually dead though he is much alive physically. So for a person 2 be spiritually living he must follow the instruction of Christ be born again of water and of the spirit.

So a sinner must repent af all his sins and be born again by baptism in water and of the spirit.

Randymunz bai, I agree with you regarding the importance of practice.

Water here means cognitions, realizations, or what one gains by contemplating the consequences of one's sinful ways. Baptism by water then means to repent and repentance means not to do it anymore. By changing one's life, the person sins less and less.

If baptism is a symbolic act, water must also mean something. Baptism is an act symbolic of repentance and the "washing-away of sins". Washing-away is not the same as forgiveness but rather, to sin less and less with the end that the person sins no more. What makes one recognize sin in the first place and makes one repent - by thinking about it.

Spirit here means love. The soul of a repentant person maybe clean but, it is still weak. What makes it grow and become strong is love. And love is not only a sentiment but also, it is action or the application of the teachings.

Spirit is symbolized by fire or a lit candle. Baptism by the spirit may also be stated as baptism by fire, in contrast to water. Baptism by spirit is when a person realizes the essential truth in the teachings and actually starts and continues to applying it in his or her life. It may also be described as the descent of the Holy Spirit, which is a spiritual experience known only to those blessed by it.
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It is interesting to contrast water and fire.

Baptism by water is the decision and lifestyle to not sin anymore, which is passive like water, while baptism by fire is the decision and lifestyle to practice the teachings or to love in action, which is active like fire.

Another contrast is that baptism by water is a human ritual, which is like liquid water staying on the earth, while baptism by fire is the descent of the Holy Spirit, which is like fire seeking upwards to the divine.

[amingb]

For those who never heard about Christ but accept the importance of grace is Save ...

For Christian .. Salvation is in Jesus Christ Alone.

[amingb]

Many billboard in Manila has this sign "JESUS ALONE SAVE"
and sticker in cars, home, notebook and etc has this sign "JESUS ALONE SAVE"

is this biblical?
many born-again movement are holding to this line.

Peace!

Unsa may diay pamaagi sa Dating Daan ana bro ? .. ang dating daan dili diay na born-again movement ?

OT ni ha (wa ni labot )
I hear sa TV program dating daan as per Bro Elli bro ba once mamatay ang tawo mag Soul Sleep na .. mura naka read kos imoha Reply regarding sa thread nga life after death dili ka mo believe ug Soul Sleep ... paki reply lang bro ..

[rcruman]

Ac 4:12 "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

Where else can we find salvation for our souls except in the Savior who alone died for the sins of sinners and came back again to life.

yes its through Jesus Christ.

Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

read again in this verse bro and you will have a clue that Its not Christ alone.
The Saviour is The Father and through Christ we can go to the Father.
So CHrist is an Instrument to come to the Father, He is the way.

And its the will of God to guide man to come to Christ to be saved from sins and have eternal life.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44

Peace!

[rcruman]

Unsa may diay pamaagi sa Dating Daan ana bro ?

just read my previous post above.

ang dating daan dili diay na born-again movement ?

Dili born-again movement ang "ANG DATING DAAN".
Born-again is the first step to become a CHristian so if you stay in born-again movement your service towards God is not moving forward.

OT ni ha (wa ni labot )
I hear sa TV program dating daan as per Bro Elli bro ba once mamatay ang tawo mag Soul Sleep na .. mura naka read kos imoha Reply regarding sa thread nga life after death dili ka mo believe ug Soul Sleep ... paki reply lang bro ..

kindly post that thread bro kay dili ka certain kay sa word nga "mura naka read".
Ang tawo nga namatay sa biblical term ana og ang pasabot ni Christ kay natulog/sleep like LAZARUS nga ingon siya nga natulog ra og ang ingon pud ni Pablo kay:

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15:50-52.

Peace!

[rcruman]

brod...wala koy problema sa mga verses nimo!

pero wa lang mutakdo sa akong pasabot....

ani lang...sultian tika...kung gi-spoon feed jud ni Jesus tanan sa atoa...

walay "ang dating daan"

ug...there will be no brands...Baptist, Pentecostal, INC, Adventist, JW..etc..etc...

nahisulat tanan sa Biblia apan dili kini spoon feed type of reading material...

bro naa tanan sa biblia og kinahanglan naa sata buhaton aron masabtan iya pulong dili kay inig basa nato mahibaw-an dayon so ang demonyo makahibalo.

Mao bitaw "turn ye at my reproof...proverbs 1:23"
og dili masabtan kay ... read Mark 4:11-12.

So una ta basa bible balik sa ta sa iya reproof og iya ihatag kanato.
Pero kung basa ang tawo nya wala ta balik sa iya reproof sige gihapon inom, sugal, babae, diosdiosan, kawat, patay og uban pa bawal sa Ginoo kay walay silbi ato pagbasa naa gihapon mag-ali sa ato mata og mao na si SATANAS read 2 Corinthians 4:4.

Sundon sa nato ang Ginoo sa iya bawal og maklaro ang tanan kay siya man ang muhatag og pagsabot.

Peace!

[lightning_mcqueen95]

wala paman to bulpin ug papil sauna undo...

[brownprose]

wala paman to bulpin ug papil sauna undo...

unya wa pa sab mauso ang typewriter ug computer niadto

seriously, Jesus had been given only 33 yrs to complete his work (preaching, teaching, healing, etc). writing was not part of the agenda.