Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

[tripwire]

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Today transmitting something orally is considered equal with not relaying it in a trustworthy manner, and we demand to see things "in writing" before we believe them. As hard as it may seem to believe, exactly the opposite was true in ancient times! Ancient literacy was no higher than average educated people at any given time, so the primary method of communication was oral. Memory capabilities were correspondingly much stronger, so that it can not be said that oral transmission was unreliable, or that because something was important, it "ought to have been written down". Neither Jesus nor anyone else in ancient society would share this modern sentiment. Related to this, the rarity of literacy made for an excellent business of scribal activity! And the paradigm of the day did NOT require that a teacher be the one writing down his own works -- rather, he would hire a scribe to do it as he recited his teachings. The role of Matthew in this regard is quite obvious and mirrors precisely the scribe/teacher relationship of Jeremiah and his faithful scribe Baruch. This point is further elucidated by Achtemeier [spelling] in his article "Omne Verbatim Sonat” [as far I can remember the title of the book]. He stresses that in antiquity the "normal mode of composition" was to dictate to a scribe. "Dictation was recommended over writing in one's own hand by Dio Chrysostem, and famous personages, we are told, were regularly accompanied by a slave prepared at any time to take dictation" even if they were on horseback, or mules, or carrages. Though there was some disagreement on this preference, it was an "assumption" [just to be safe here] that Jesus "doing it himself" was not a requirement. The general objection that Jesus did not write anything misses the point, because it anachronistically assumes a modern view of the importance of writing upon ancient peoples. I have a close friend who tendered the objection that if Jesus had written things himself, it would have meant less controversy over what he said! This is rather true -- I can see an overly optimistic assessment in a modernistic attitude. But if that is not enough (as it should be), then ask why other Gods didn't write things for themselves? Then again, this is just a simple thought… it’s up to you guys to search also. God bless.

[chad_tukes]

kuyawa ah!

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Today transmitting something orally is considered equal with not relaying it in a trustworthy manner, and we demand to see things "in writing" before we believe them. As hard as it may seem to believe, exactly the opposite was true in ancient times! Ancient literacy was no higher than average educated people at any given time, so the primary method of communication was oral. Memory capabilities were correspondingly much stronger, so that it can not be said that oral transmission was unreliable, or that because something was important, it "ought to have been written down". Neither Jesus nor anyone else in ancient society would share this modern sentiment. Related to this, the rarity of literacy made for an excellent business of scribal activity! And the paradigm of the day did NOT require that a teacher be the one writing down his own works -- rather, he would hire a scribe to do it as he recited his teachings. The role of Matthew in this regard is quite obvious and mirrors precisely the scribe/teacher relationship of Jeremiah and his faithful scribe Baruch. This point is further elucidated by Achtemeier [spelling] in his article "Omne Verbatim Sonat” [as far I can remember the title of the book]. He stresses that in antiquity the "normal mode of composition" was to dictate to a scribe. "Dictation was recommended over writing in one's own hand by Dio Chrysostem, and famous personages, we are told, were regularly accompanied by a slave prepared at any time to take dictation" even if they were on horseback, or mules, or carrages. Though there was some disagreement on this preference, it was an "assumption" [just to be safe here] that Jesus "doing it himself" was not a requirement. The general objection that Jesus did not write anything misses the point, because it anachronistically assumes a modern view of the importance of writing upon ancient peoples. I have a close friend who tendered the objection that if Jesus had written things himself, it would have meant less controversy over what he said! This is rather true -- I can see an overly optimistic assessment in a modernistic attitude. But if that is not enough (as it should be), then ask why other Gods didn't write things for themselves? Then again, this is just a simple thought… it’s up to you guys to search also. God bless.

yeah...but have something in mind...

The Lord have choosen the Apostles, he even added Paul,...

and yeah someone has to write for Him...they are witnesses...at the same time turn over sa ilaha ni Jesus...

Jesus wants it to be continued from generation to generation....and so the Apostles must turn over the teachings...

Jesus wants it to be centralized, so He set the example of the proper turnover...and He promised that the Holy Spirit will protect the Truth...His Church...

sad to say, daghan ang natintal..tempted bitaw...now claiming...

[tru^norf]

coz he was a carpenter, not a writer.

[rcruman]

Unya didto nahisulat nga:
1. Ang "kuan" maoy tinoud na relihiyon

bro ang RELIGION kay walay name sa bible kay ang RELIGION pakigrelasyon sa Ginoo.
Pareha ani sa imo papa kay father and son relationship, naa diay name inyo relasyon like "anime, expert, scattered"?

Unya didto nahisulat nga:
2. Kada "kuan" mao ni inyo buhaton
3. Mao kini inyo pagabuhaton
Why did Jesus didn't write? ngano kaha?
of course God has a plan...He has a plan...

iya ni gisugo bro, mao ni iya ingon:

Apan ang Maglilipay, ang Espiritu Santo, nga pagasugoon sa akong Amahan sa akong ngalan, siya magatudlo kaninyo sa tanang mga butang, ug magapahinumdum kaninyo sa tanan nga akong gipamulong kaninyo.
Juan 14:26
Cebuano Bible

Magatudlo kanila nga managbantay sila sa tanang mga butang nga gisugo ko kaninyo; ug ania karon, ako magauban kaninyo kanunay hangtud sa katapusan sa kalibutan.
Mateo 28:20
Cebuano Bible

og pinaagi sa Espritu Santo nga pagasugoon sa Amahan sa ngalan ni Jesus kay gisulat sa mga apostol.

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
1 John 1:1-4

og matud pa ni Pablo nga Apostol ni Cristo:

Kong may tawo nga nagahunahuna nga siya manalagna, kun espirituhanon, pailha siya sa mga butang nga gisulat ko kaninyo, nga kini sila mao ang sugo sa Ginoo.
I Corinto 14:37
Cebuano Bible

so kung gusto ka mahibalo sa tanang angay buhaton sa pag-alagad sa Ginoo basa lang og biblia og naa didto tanan.
naa sa biblia unsaon pag-ampo, kinsa angay ampoan, unsay angay buhaton sa atong pangadlaw-adlaw nga panginabuhi og uban pa.

so im encouraging you to read more the bible so that you will know the way to GOd.

PEace!

[rcruman]

Many billboard in Manila has this sign "JESUS ALONE SAVE"
and sticker in cars, home, notebook and etc has this sign "JESUS ALONE SAVE"

is this biblical?
many born-again movement are holding to this line.

Peace!

[tru^norf]

Why didn't God just hardwire the truth into each and everyone's brains so we won't be groping in the dark about what's the bottom line of our existence. Why is God playing 'find the needle in the haystack' game, with cryptic writings and revelations, inconsistent moral standards, subjective interventions a.k.a. miracles, the lies, the crimes of people who are supposed to be representing Him, the Jesus Christ bait, etc..., everything jumbled like a puzzle for people to sort out in order to receive the most coveted prize of all, a condo in heaven. Is that the way God delivers the message? How dramatic. Some people can't even figure out where to get their next meal, how much less the way to heaven? Some would say it's God's way for humanity to have a more meaningful experience and relationship with Him. But if the relationship goes sour, somebody burns in hell. how meaningful and sad ending. And some would say that no one would ever comprehend and understand God's way. Of course no one would. But it seems that the perpetrators of religions understood it well. So, let's follow na lang?

[geoseph]

Why didn't God just hardwire the truth into each and everyone's brains so we won't be groping in the dark about what's the bottom line of our existence.

Maybe He did. It is perhaps the conscience.

We also have various faculties and intelligences. It just might be that by not spoon feeding everyone, we were meant to exercise our abilities.

Why is God playing 'find the needle in the haystack' game, with cryptic writings and revelations, inconsistent moral standards, subjective interventions a.k.a. miracles, the lies, the crimes of people who are supposed to be representing Him, the Jesus Christ bait, etc..., everything jumbled like a puzzle for people to sort out in order to receive the most coveted prize of all, a condo in heaven. Is that the way God delivers the message? How dramatic. Some people can't even figure out where to get their next meal, how much less the way to heaven? Some would say it's God's way for humanity to have a more meaningful experience and relationship with Him. But if the relationship goes sour, somebody burns in hell. how meaningful and sad ending. And some would say that no one would ever comprehend and understand God's way. Of course no one would. But it seems that the perpetrators of religions understood it well. So, let's follow na lang?

This is a variation of what I consider as blame God for everything. And my answer is that human free will messed up the paradise this planet was (not that free will is bad but, it’s that we made lots of wrong choices).

Each individual is responsible for his or her life, and we are jointly responsible for our communities. Those who do not know how to take responsibility for one’s life, will demand from others what they failed to gain for themselves (no person in mind).

Of course, injustice does exist, and I consider ending it a worthy goal but, persons and peoples made that happen in the first place. This also happens in the various religions where undeserving leaders shape a good thing to fit their ends. In governance, we call that corruption.
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God did put something into writing and these were the original tablets for the Ten Commandments. However, Moses broke these, and he had to make new ones. Jesus also wrote something but, it was on the ground.

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bro ang RELIGION kay walay name sa bible kay ang RELIGION pakigrelasyon sa Ginoo.
Pareha ani sa imo papa kay father and son relationship, naa diay name inyo relasyon like "anime, expert, scattered"?
iya ni gisugo bro, mao ni iya ingon:

Apan ang Maglilipay, ang Espiritu Santo, nga pagasugoon sa akong Amahan sa akong ngalan, siya magatudlo kaninyo sa tanang mga butang, ug magapahinumdum kaninyo sa tanan nga akong gipamulong kaninyo.
Juan 14:26
Cebuano Bible

Magatudlo kanila nga managbantay sila sa tanang mga butang nga gisugo ko kaninyo; ug ania karon, ako magauban kaninyo kanunay hangtud sa katapusan sa kalibutan.
Mateo 28:20
Cebuano Bible

og pinaagi sa Espritu Santo nga pagasugoon sa Amahan sa ngalan ni Jesus kay gisulat sa mga apostol.

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
1 John 1:1-4

og matud pa ni Pablo nga Apostol ni Cristo:

Kong may tawo nga nagahunahuna nga siya manalagna, kun espirituhanon, pailha siya sa mga butang nga gisulat ko kaninyo, nga kini sila mao ang sugo sa Ginoo.
I Corinto 14:37
Cebuano Bible

so kung gusto ka mahibalo sa tanang angay buhaton sa pag-alagad sa Ginoo basa lang og biblia og naa didto tanan.
naa sa biblia unsaon pag-ampo, kinsa angay ampoan, unsay angay buhaton sa atong pangadlaw-adlaw nga panginabuhi og uban pa.

so im encouraging you to read more the bible so that you will know the way to GOd.

PEace!

brod...wala koy problema sa mga verses nimo!

pero wa lang mutakdo sa akong pasabot....

ani lang...sultian tika...kung gi-spoon feed jud ni Jesus tanan sa atoa...

walay "ang dating daan"

ug...there will be no brands...Baptist, Pentecostal, INC, Adventist, JW..etc..etc...

nahisulat tanan sa Biblia apan dili kini spoon feed type of reading material...

[Ironside]

Many billboard in Manila has this sign "JESUS ALONE SAVE"
and sticker in cars, home, notebook and etc has this sign "JESUS ALONE SAVE"

is this biblical?
many born-again movement are holding to this line.

Peace!

Ac 4:12 "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."


Where else can we find salvation for our souls except in the Savior who alone died for the sins of sinners and came back again to life.


Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.