The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

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@pijavier
bro ako napod ni ipangutana ug balik, unsa may gi bilin ni Cristo sa kalibutan iyang Church or ang Bible?

"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it."

nag ingon ba nga i will make my BOOK?

Jesus the Rock not Peter? pag tuon sa ug Greek and Aramaic language bro aron ka maka sabot..

ang bible is just the blueprint of the original pattern of His Church!

[bcasabee]

Yes, our Bible has no authority over the Catholic Church. Refer to Jesus and Peter conversation regarding the "Rock" thing.

So MEaning to say the Bible is not the real authority sa Catholic Church. this is a clear statement that the ROman Catholic Church has more say then the Bible. Mao d ay daghan kaug rituals nga wala na sa Bible. so ang Bible dili gyud primary source para nimo but ang Institution.

Ang Bible wala namo gi adjust. Naa lay mga laws nga wala gi implement, like 10% tithe nga bug-at kaayo sa mga tawo. Sumala gud, ka economic crisi man ron panahona, unya pas-anan pa jud ug 10% tithe. Yeah, sunod nalang gud kung unsay sulti sa Catholic Church, kay mao may authority, dili man ang Bible itself......Refer to Jesus and Peter conversation regarding the "Rock" thing.

Unsa pa may lain gi adjust ninyo sa Bible bro? once again nasangit nasad ka ky if mo adjust sa times ang Catholic church sa Bible this says that the Bible is not reliable. amo nang daghan mga tao dili mo tuo sa Bible ky hilig man tag adjust, then we simply say "basta lang, basta mao lagi na, sunod lang gud"

Well, as far as I know, only the Catholic Church has claimed authority over the Bible.....And Peter was the rock......Refer to Jesus and Peter conversation regarding the "Rock" thing.

And so Peter became the first Pope of the Catholic church. You need to understand that this verse talks about Jesus being the Rock and not Peter, basaha usa ang tanan, par in context.

Only Jesus or Peter can answer that. But in my opinion, Peter can't be a perfect sacirifice cause he is just human.

If Peter is the rock, the foundation of our faith ngano dili man siya ang nag palansang sa cross.

Yeah, its better to read the Bible, only if your vocation is reading the Bible or the study of religion. But if your just a common tao, please, don't try self-medication, it will do more harm than good.

That is why i've said it before and will say it again, it is best we read the Bible nalang ky dinha man ta magkuha og mga verses, dinha ta mag base sa atong mga post, or better yet, let's stick to the topic once again para dili ta ma off topic.

See, your church have no authority over the Bible....therefore...your church is not the church which will sit on the "Rock" which Jesus refers to.

unfortunately, we have no authority over the Bible bro. For us we believe in the authority of the Bible. Non-practicing Catholic man ko bro and ang naka pa decide gyud nako ani is usa ka pari sa among School before.

What's SDA? anyway, magazine versus Bible(Refer to the "Rock" conversation, its your thing).

Naa sad prophecy about the Antichrist bro that it wil come unexpectedly and from a rich people. pero dili ko mo take ownership ana, kabasa rako og "magazine" nga gihatag sa silingan nga SDA.

No problem bro.

Bro, dili ta mag lalis ani, ayaw baitia pag sabot akong post. I was just stressing a point. dili ta maghuman kung mag lalis ta.

Well, if it is just an opinion, then its ok.........

basta in my opinion, dili misahana nag naghikog ky sala ang maghikog. but speaking of sala, diba kita tanan nakasala man?

[amico]

wa pa man koy nadungog na niingon ang biblia na "the BIBLE is the pillar and foundation of TRUTH" nakadungog hinuon ko na niingon ang BIBLIA na... "the CHURCH, the pillar and foundation of TRUTH". sa ato pa, and CHURCH diay ang naay AUTHORITY over the BIBLE ug dili and BIBLE ang naay AUTHORITY over the CHURCH."

[pijavier]

Hoy pag klaro mo dinha mga bro murag gihimo naman ko ninyong rcruman

Mods gitabangan ko waaaah

Yes Bro Necro, Jesus is the Rock, he was refering to himself.

Mao ni in context: (ingon c Jesus kang Peter)

And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it.[c] 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven."

Ang sulti niya on this rock, referring to himself. :mrgreen:

Mura bag ga atobang siya ni Peter and ga tudlo sa iyang kaugalingon.

wala cya nag ingon nga You are Peter and on You i will build my church.

Bro, a simple understanding of the Bible will suffice that. Read the Bible and you will see that God does not only speak literally but also in between the lines.

And i know dili pa ni klaro para nimo so it is up to you.

I am entitled to what i know and my opinion as you are entitled to yours.

If you think Peter is the Rock than pray to Peter. Everyone is entitled. makasabot na hinuon ko ni rcruman sa iyang frustrations ngano simple kau nga butang lisod lisoron.

peace mga bro and kainan na [br]Posted on: January 15, 2008, 11:44:38 AM_________________________________________________

wa pa man koy nadungog na niingon ang biblia na "the BIBLE is the pillar and foundation of TRUTH" nakadungog hinuon ko na niingon ang BIBLIA na... "the CHURCH, the pillar and foundation of TRUTH". sa ato pa, and CHURCH diay ang naay AUTHORITY over the BIBLE ug dili and BIBLE ang naay AUTHORITY over the CHURCH."

Ang Bible wala namo gi adjust. Naa lay mga laws nga wala gi implement, like 10% tithe nga bug-at kaayo sa mga tawo. Sumala gud, ka economic crisi man ron panahona, unya pas-anan pa jud ug 10% tithe. Yeah, sunod nalang gud kung unsay sulti sa Catholic Church, kay mao may authority, dili man ang Bible itself......Refer to Jesus and Peter conversation regarding the "Rock" thing.
Well, as far as I know, only the Catholic Church has claimed authority over the Bible.....And Peter was the rock......Refer to Jesus and Peter conversation regarding the "Rock" thing.

Only Jesus or Peter can answer that. But in my opinion, Peter can't be a perfect sacirifice cause he is just human.
Yeah, its better to read the Bible, only if your vocation is reading the Bible or the study of religion. But if your just a common tao, please, don't try self-medication, it will do more harm than good.
See, your church have no authority over the Bible....therefore...your church is not the church which will sit on the "Rock" which Jesus refers to.
What's SDA? anyway, magazine versus Bible(Refer to the "Rock" conversation, its your thing).
No problem bro.
Well, if it is just an opinion, then its ok.........
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Bro gatuyok tuyok na imo post, asa man gyud?

[pijavier]

Bro gatuyok tuyok na imo post, asa man gyud?

Yes opinion ra

[pijavier]

Bro Amico.

Ang issue sa giving (10percent or pila) issue rana sa mga contra gusto mohatag. Unsa may sayop kung dili mo mohatag. Mag buot mo nako kung mohatag ko.

Ang mga dili man ganahan mo hatag mao mana ang cge reklamo.

so far you are the ones making a big deal about it not me. so balik na ta sa topic guys ky ma delete nya

[amico]

Hoy pag klaro mo dinha mga bro murag gihimo naman ko ninyong rcruman

Mods gitabangan ko waaaah

Yes Bro Necro, Jesus is the Rock, he was refering to himself.

Mao ni in context: (ingon c Jesus kang Peter)

And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[b] will not overcome it.[c] 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven."

Ang sulti niya on this rock, referring to himself. :mrgreen:

Mura bag ga atobang siya ni Peter and ga tudlo sa iyang kaugalingon.

wala cya nag ingon nga You are Peter and on You i will build my church.

Bro, a simple understanding of the Bible will suffice that. Read the Bible and you will see that God does not only speak literally but also in between the lines.

And i know dili pa ni klaro para nimo so it is up to you.

I am entitled to what i know and my opinion as you are entitled to yours.

If you think Peter is the Rock than pray to Peter. Everyone is entitled. makasabot na hinuon ko ni rcruman sa iyang frustrations ngano simple kau nga butang lisod lisoron.

peace mga bro and kainan na

ang pangalan gyud ni peter kay simon, unya giusab ni jesus kay himuon lagi sya nga pangulo sa iya simbahan. tanawa si abram gihimo ug abraham (father of nations), si jacob gihimog israel (father of the 12 tribes, the chosen people), karon si simon giusab pud ni jesus ang pangalan gihimo niya na peter o kephas. ang ato angay ni makit-an ang meaning sa kephas. ang uban muingon na stone, ang uban muingon na rock. apan bisag stone o rock pa na way blema kay ang importante si jesus mismo ang nag-usab ana ug mao ang iya gihatag ni simon. sa ato pa gihimo pud niya na bato si simon. so mapa-stone o rock. ang importante diha niya gibilin ang susi sa iya gingharian ug usa daw siya nisaka sa langit niingon pa siya ni perdo (si pedro ra iya giingnan) "feed my sheep.." sa ato pa, didto ra gyud niya gibilin ni pedro ang tanan kay si pedro man iya gihimo na pangulo sa iya simbahan. kana lang daan na gi-usab niya ang pangalan ni pedro nagpakita na kana na gitagaan gyud sya ug usa ka dako na responsibility kay mao mana ang usa sa mga karaan na binuhatan sa mga hudyo.

unya bisag unsaon nako ug sabot lisud sabton na nag-atubang sya ni peter unya paghisgot niya ug rock mu-refer lang sya kalit sa iya kaugalingon? kung iya pa to iya pasabot. muingon unta sya na "on me the rock upon which i will build my church..." wla gud sya miing-ana sa ato pa, nag-atubang sya ni pedro, si pedro gud iya pasabot ato kay ang word na kephas ang pasabot bato man. ug si jesus man ang nagbuot ana paghatag ni simon.

[pijavier]

wa pa man koy nadungog na niingon ang biblia na "the BIBLE is the pillar and foundation of TRUTH" nakadungog hinuon ko na niingon ang BIBLIA na... "the CHURCH, the pillar and foundation of TRUTH". sa ato pa, and CHURCH diay ang naay AUTHORITY over the BIBLE ug dili and BIBLE ang naay AUTHORITY over the CHURCH."

If the church is using the Bible and the Church is the authority over the Bible, what use is the Bible. Mura man intawn ni og unsay una bai ang manok ang itlog?

Only Jesus or Peter can answer that. But in my opinion, Peter can't be a perfect sacirifice cause he is just human.

That's the point so why is Peter the rock?

So para ninyo nganong dili man misahan ang nag hikog? what are your opinions on this topic.

[bcasabee]

Why peter is the rock? Tan-awa ra gud ang explanation ni amico about sa word na Kephas........

Unsay gamit sa Bible? Documentation.....unsa paman diay........

Mura ra ka ug nangutana, unsay gamit sa Book of laws sa government kung naa man diay supreme court.........

[amico]

kung sa topic naman ang hisgotan. ayaw na mo anang tuo-tuo sa religion, ang importante pagbuhat ra mo ug maayo. pareha ani.

1. Right View. The right way to think about life is to see the world with wisdom and compassion.

2. Right Thought. We are what we think. Clear and kind thoughts build good, strong characters.

3. Right Speech. By speaking kind and helpful words, we are respected and trusted by everyone.

4. Right Conduct. No matter what we say, others know us from the way we behave. Before we criticize others, we should first see what we do ourselves.

5. Right Livelihood. This means choosing a job that does not hurt others. The Buddha said, "Do not earn your living by harming others. Do not seek happiness by making others unhappy."

6. Right Effort. A worthwhile life means doing our best at all times and having good will toward others. This also means not wasting effort on things that harm ourselves and others.

7. Right Mindfulness. This means being aware of our thoughts, words, and deeds.

8. Right Concentration. Focus on one thought or object at a time. By doing this, we can be quiet and attain true peace of mind.

sa tanaw nako kana lang ayos na. wa na ta manginahanglan ug ginoo o religion. ug kung tanan tao magsunod lang ana kaning kalibutan mapuno sa kalipay ug mas maayo pa tingali kaysa sa langit na naa sa biblia.