Eliseo F. Soriano of ADD - SUSPENDED! Makatwiran ba?

[FK]

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sa ako na ginaingon..... naa ni sa bible.... "kung ang isang kapatid ay magkasala ulit matapos ng ikatlong pagsaway.... ay matakwil sya..."
takwil.... in english... expel
kalimut lang ko sa specific verse..... sorry.......

in case of peter.... peter was just a victim of circumstances..... if he admitted that he was a follower of christ.... patyon sad siyag apil oy......

we can make all excuses that we are a victim of circumstance, ang mga corrupt mo ingon nga nangurakot ra ko para mapa eskwela nako akong anak... Ang importante ni dawat ka sa imong sayop nga walay rason2x.

wala mi ga encourage people to be corrupt, ila ng will nga nagpa corrupt sila, dili na kinahanglanon nga i-expel sila kay base lang daan sa ilang gibuhat nagpalayo na sila sa laing daan, ngano i-takwil pa man nga lahi na man dalan ang gi-agian.

Perez wasnt the one who chose the woman who have taken his leadership after his death..... it was some kind of their council.... who voted that lady.... kun wala ko masayop......

since sayop na man.... hawa dayon si Eli.... unsay dugayan.... di pareha nato... klaro nang sayop... pagahigahi japun.....

og ngano dili man si Eli ang gi-pili bai? politics na sab?

on the first place bai ngano gihimo pa man ni perez to nga minister tong babae nga dili man jud d i pwede mo lead.

[Visual C#]

Heheheh, entertaining guy, Eli Soriano is.

I did listen to his shows quite a lot before. One thing I always notice on his shows: he is the only guy that actually talks; he has all the opinions and doctrines of their congregation, while the others are left as some sort of "puppets" and parrots who agree on all the things he says. They never have an opinion of their own.

Have you guys seen Ang Tamang Daan as well? Interesting... these guys don't resort to name calling and slander to get their point across. Very entertaining... how they bash each other continuously. I like the editing work the Tamang Daan people do, they make it educative and entertaining at the same time.

Point is, Eli Soriano has his own mistakes, and so does Iglesia ni Kristo (or any religion for that matter). It was this very effort of figuring out who's right and who's wrong that completely shattered my belief in religion.

[Roper]

Ang sayop nato kasagaran filipino, unsay makasakit sa usa ka tawo, ngil-ad na, unsay maka insulto or maka annoy sa tawo, sayop na,

Ngano? Unsa-on man nimo pag atake sa sayop? Imo abi-abi-hon? Religion is partly politics in the sense that u take actions to broadcast what is wrong to give out what is right. How should we then be able to know what is right and what is wrong if there arent any debates? If you say its religion, and we don’t debate about religion, then who said it shouldn’t be that way? The bible? No the bible actually contains lots of recorded debates, battle of what is right and what is wrong………… What is the Bible supposed to be for in first place? It tells us what is wrong and what is right. If you see someone does something not according to the Bible, and he claims it according to the Bible, would you agree with him and let him alone go his ways preaching the wrong doctrine to the innocent and to the blind? Would you permit that if you yourself know what he is doing is wrong and many might believe him thus result to condemnation? There is no excuse, if the blind leads another blind, both shall fall into the same pit!

Guys, what is essential is not always good to hear, not always music to our ears, not always sweet in our taste buds…
Most of the time, truth is bitter and harsh to those offenders.


We need to be openminded. Its only a matter of accepting, if you don’t accept ur wrong, then you can never be right. And that is worse, because you know youre wrong yet you pretend to be right, and that’s what almost all of the religious leaders nowadays. They pretend and they continue false teachings! Of course!!! They wont say to their members that they have committed a mistake and have taught wrong doctrines! They wouldn’t dare do that! Because if they would, they know their members would surely doubt about them! That’s why they continue to uphold their wrong doctrines……and the money? Leading a congregation could make you rich!

[Roper]

COOOOOL lang kaayo guys...init naman kaayo mo oyyyy....

sakto kaayo na inyo gibuhat karon, debate mo about religions, pero tan-awon lang nato ani kinsya mo accept sayop siya... so far wala pa... mao lagi sad na syop nato, dili ta mo admit, and close minded kaayo ta, let loose mga pre and mga mare
truth is not always felt, its thought about, discovered, read, written, and in every possible way truth can be delivered, dont say its true because you feel it, why? Cannot Satan make you also feel gooooooood? Kana shabu, lami man kuno na ingon sa mga adik, sakto na? lami man so sakto na!!! dili nalang ta mag tumar tambal or pa-injection kay sakit man,
ayaw saddd.... sakit gani, sometimes sayop sometimes tinood.

[Roper]

TANAN Butang naa pama-agi... what i mean by pama-agi...sakto na pama-agi...
ayaw sad ko ing-na walay pama-agi unsa pag higugma ang DIOS? mao ra sad na mag PRAY ka, dili tanan tugotan, kasagaran baya sakto sa tawo sayop sa DIOS..think about it

simply as that, take it from the Bible and you do it also.... simpleeeee raaa kaayooo naaaa, sayop nato mga pinoy gahi kaayo ta matangtang sa ato mga tradition ug ato na-andan or ato na accustomed na.... break free!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ ROPER .... welcome to istorya.net and hope you will stay with us here for a long time and di lang ka mawagtang ug kalit after the issue of ELI oki doki . Back to the topic...

Ang sayop nato kasagaran filipino, unsay makasakit sa usa ka tawo, ngil-ad na, unsay maka insulto or maka annoy sa tawo, sayop na,

And what do you call it ang maka sakit ug ngil-ad ?? SAKTO ??

Ngano? Unsa-on man nimo pag atake sa sayop? Imo abi-abi-hon? Religion is partly politics in the sense that u take actions to broadcast what is wrong to give out what is right. How should we then be able to know what is right and what is wrong if there arent any debates? If you say its religion, and we don’t debate about religion, then who said it shouldn’t be that way? The bible? No the bible actually contains lots of recorded debates, battle of what is right and what is wrong………… What is the Bible supposed to be for in first place? It tells us what is wrong and what is right. If you see someone does something not according to the Bible, and he claims it according to the Bible, would you agree with him and let him alone go his ways preaching the wrong doctrine to the innocent and to the blind? Would you permit that if you yourself know what he is doing is wrong and many might believe him thus result to condemnation? There is no excuse, if the blind leads another blind, both shall fall into the same pit!

You just pretty much summarized the concept of a person who THINKS he is right basing from the BIBLE . The question is , how true is the fact that he is RIGHT ? From the majority of his followers na na SHOT sa TARO or from the people who of all walks in life agrees upon ?? Bisan SATANISTA , mo agree gani ni Eli then kana maka ingon ta na SAKTO gyud diay siya .

Guys, what is essential is not always good to hear, not always music to our ears, not always sweet in our taste buds…
Most of the time, truth is bitter and harsh to those offenders.

Now this case is for the person who is an OPENMINDED and relies on the 3 sides of a story .... is ELI SORIANO like that ? If you learn how to accept defeat andf from that defeat you will be stand up again makes you a good leader , ELI is not like that . He doesnt know how to accept failures and defeat for he is always right according to the verses of the bible . Got the info on how arrogant and all knowing ELI is from a different forum that has conflicts with ELi .... they are not even CATHOLICS but all kinds of religon with the majority of the Christian faith . That is obe thing to ponder , his knowledge is limited in the understanding the bible literally contradicting every known CHRISTIAN faith because they all obviously abide in the bible ... I want to see or hear ELI talk shit on BUDDHISM , SHINTOSIM , ISLAM , HINDU etc .

We need to be openminded. Its only a matter of accepting, if you don’t accept ur wrong, then you can never be right. And that is worse, because you know youre wrong yet you pretend to be right, and that’s what almost all of the religious leaders nowadays. They pretend and they continue false teachings! Of course!!! They wont say to their members that they have committed a mistake and have taught wrong doctrines! They wouldn’t dare do that! Because if they would, they know their members would surely doubt about them! That’s why they continue to uphold their wrong doctrines……and the money? Leading a congregation could make you rich!

Curious lang ko bai ... is this intended for the Christians or Catholics in specific or to ELI SORIANO ?

truth is not always felt, its thought about, discovered, read, written, and in every possible way truth can be delivered, dont say its true because you feel it, why? Cannot Satan make you also feel gooooooood? Kana shabu, lami man kuno na ingon sa mga adik, sakto na? lami man so sakto na!!! dili nalang ta mag tumar tambal or pa-injection kay sakit man,
ayaw saddd.... sakit gani, sometimes sayop sometimes tinood.

ANother concept of literal understanding .... ang tubag ra gyud ana imohang example bai is no other than your precious COMMONSENSE . Not the bible , not the verses , not ELI's TV talk show and radio show .

simply as that, take it from the Bible and you do it also.... simpleeeee raaa kaayooo naaaa, sayop nato mga pinoy gahi kaayo ta matangtang sa ato mga tradition ug ato na-andan or ato na accustomed na.... break free!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obviously sa KATOLIKO gyud ni . How can you say that SAYOP natong mga PINOY when all the CATHOLICS in the world does the same exact practice of the TRADITION and ACCUSTOM you are talking about . Now you are the one who is CLOSEMINDED and had been talking about closeminded etc becaue you single out the FILIPINO CATHOLICS only . How about ... ELI SORIANO ... hunong na sa imohang mga botbot n break free ? Murag bola lang noh na mo untol ...... waiting for your reply and have a good day !!

[monrose29]

huh!!!!!!!!!!!!! kuwang pa inyong problema?

nag lalis man gud mo biblia.... tsk tsk tsk tsk... hehehe.. aron mo masayod c brother eli makig debate na sa uban relihiyon kay para niya sakto iyaha.. ang uban sad.. para sa ila sakto sad sila.. puros sila sakto.. so di sila mag da-og... prehas ra pod mo.. sakto mong tanan.....

backt to the topic.. maka tarungan ba ang pag ban sa show ni brother eli..

para nako... 50/50 akong desisyon.... ma o ayo man sya manudlo. ma ayo siya mo subay sa bibliya pero.. di lang sya mag amping sa iyang mga words.. nga deli unta angay i sulti..... mura man syag di professinal hino-on...

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Actually bai monrose ... ang nahug na gi lalisan diri is di man ang kung kinsa gyud ang sakto w/c is by the way .... na proven na ang kampo ni ELI gumikan kang robearth na SAKTO sila . Find in any DEBATES or DISCUSSION in any forums regarding CATHOLICS against everyone ... never gyud mahisgutan na sakto ang KATOLIKO ... ma sakto man o dili , we all leave it to God w/c makes sense because of all the time we " wasted " if it is a term easier for others to understand . Nahug na ang gi lalisan gyud diri kay ang pag interpret sa bibliya na literal pagsabot ug ang kinasing kasing na sabot .

[arnoldsa]

Actually bai monrose ... ang nahug na gi lalisan diri is di man ang kung kinsa gyud ang sakto w/c is by the way .... na proven na ang kampo ni ELI gumikan kang robearth na SAKTO sila . Find in any DEBATES or DISCUSSION in any forums regarding CATHOLICS against everyone ... never gyud mahisgutan na sakto ang KATOLIKO ... ma sakto man o dili , we all leave it to God w/c makes sense because of all the time we " wasted " if it is a term easier for others to understand . Nahug na ang gi lalisan gyud diri kay ang pag interpret sa bibliya na literal pagsabot ug ang kinasing kasing na sabot .

Actually, the Catholic Church does not make "patol" anymore with these kind of childish and immature groups and issues... That's why you can't see them organizing stupid and time-wasting debates.. The catholic church is more focus on SPREADING THE GOOD NEWS of Christ rather than spreading hate and division just like what other anti-christ groups like Eli and others do...

Cult groups like Eli's Dating Daan are desperate in gaining numbers that's why they do everything they can from maligning other grous like the INC to interpreting the Bible in an irrational manner.

In Pope John Paull II's book entitled "Crossing the Threshold of Hope" he said that we should not be AFRAID of our traditions... these are just traditions that have come into practice in the 2000years ministry of the Catholic Church. In the same way that families and other cultures have their own traditions... What is important is that we should FOCUS our energy, time and knowledge in the spreading of Christ's message instead of bickering over small things...

So many groups have come and go... The fact that even Protestantism is very much divided into several groups each with its own different beliefs (Lutheran, INC, etc...) only proves that they cannot even unite in a single belief, which further proves that they have their OWN different interpretations of the Bible... The catholic church is different because in its 2000 years old history, it still remains a Catholic Church committed to its mission and vision.

The Catholic Church will always come under attack by groups similar to ELI's dating daan because we are the TRUE church founded by Christ. The devil is very jealous of this that is why he is very desperate to destroy it in a very SWEET manner.. How? Well, first he enters the church as a priest then climbs up to become a Cardinal and eventually a Pope... As pope he begins to discredit everything so that the people will look at the church negatively... This was what happened during the Middle Ages... (that's why during the middle ages, we had Popes who were womanizers, murderers, and etc....) Then he organizes groups first with Martin Luther, and now with ELI SORIANO to further brainwash the people..... BUT AMAZINGLY because of Christ's protection through the intercession of the Blessed Mother and the Saints, the Church has survived... It is now more than 2000 years old...

If the prophecies will come true, SATAN will actually succeed in destroying the church... According to St. Malachy, the present pope will be the second to the last....

IT is only right that the MTRCB has banned ELI SORIANO's program, which by the way is one of Satan's tool in destroying us... Just take a look at Eli's lifestyle, he own a gasoline station, a water purifier and other businesses... IS THIS WHAT a humble preacher should be? JESUS said, when you go and preach, do not carry with you money... Carry only a staff and wear only a sandal....


AMEN!!!

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Well said ARNOLDSA !!!