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  1. #381

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    Quote Originally Posted by lomhanz
    @seven_segment: don't even try to think of something negative because you already believe in it.. it will just spoil your beliefs. but, be it know to you also that not only the bible is being referred to, when it comes to belliefs and religions. lets be open-minded also. for now, you believe in GOD, then if you think it works for you, then let it be.
    yeah right! The apostles...St Paul...the were inspired by the Holy Spirit!

    and I believe...and praying to walk this faith...

  2. #382

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    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed
    you cant think or you just cant accept the negative side of it?.. naa rman anang duha jud..
    thats too sad..

    hehehe
    i mean realy...can't think of it...never though of it at all...

    dunno if I have to be sad...

  3. #383

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    Quote Originally Posted by seven_segment
    i mean realy...can't think of it...never though of it at all...

    dunno if I have to be sad...
    well a good advice....

    be open minded...

    hehehe

  4. #384

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    There are Protestants who believe in purgatory. One who was very explicit about it was C.S. Lewis. In his Letters to Malcom, he wrote:

    "Of course I pray for the dead. The action is so spontaneous, so all but inevitable, that only the most compulsive theological case against it would deter me. And I hardly know how the rest of my prayers would survive if those for the dead were forbidden. At our age, the majority of those we love best are dead. What sort of intercourse with God could I have if what I love best were unmentionable to him?"

    "I believe in Purgatory. . . . Our souls demand Purgatory, don't they? Would it not beak the heart if God said to us, 'It is true, my son, that your breath smells and your rags drip with mud and slime, but we are charitable here and no one will upbraid you with these things, nor draw away from you. Enter into the joy'? Should we not reply, "With submission, sir, and if there is no objection, I'd rather be cleansed first.' "It may hurt, you know'--"Even so, sir.'"

    "I assume that the process of purification will normally involve suffering. Partly from tradition; partly because most real good that has been done me in this life has involved it. But I don't think the suffering is the purpose of the purgation. I can well believe that people neither much worse nor much better than I will suffer less than I or more. . . . The treatment given will be the one required, whether it hurts little or much."

    "My favorite image on this matter comes from the dentist's chair. I hope that when the tooth of life is drawn and I am 'coming round',' a voice will say, 'Rinse your mouth out with this.' This will be Purgatory. The rinsing may take longer than I can now imagine. The taste of this may be more fiery and astringent than my present sensibility could endure. But . . . it will [not] be disgusting and unhallowed."

    But beyond Protestants like Lewis, who openly admit their belief in purgatory, it may be said that Protestants in general believe in purgatory, they just don't call it that. For every historic Protestant will admit that our sinning in this life does not continue into heaven. In fact, they will be quite insistent that although our sanctification is not complete in this life, it will be completed (instantaneously, they say) as soon as this life is over. But that is what purgatory is! -- the final sanctification, the purification. Thus it is permissible to say that many Protestants believe in purgatory without even realizing it.


  5. #385

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    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak
    There are Protestants who believe in purgatory. One who was very explicit about it was C.S. Lewis. In his Letters to Malcom, he wrote:

    "Of course I pray for the dead. The action is so spontaneous, so all but inevitable, that only the most compulsive theological case against it would deter me. And I hardly know how the rest of my prayers would survive if those for the dead were forbidden. At our age, the majority of those we love best are dead. What sort of intercourse with God could I have if what I love best were unmentionable to him?"

    "I believe in Purgatory. . . . Our souls demand Purgatory, don't they? Would it not beak the heart if God said to us, 'It is true, my son, that your breath smells and your rags drip with mud and slime, but we are charitable here and no one will upbraid you with these things, nor draw away from you. Enter into the joy'? Should we not reply, "With submission, sir, and if there is no objection, I'd rather be cleansed first.' "It may hurt, you know'--"Even so, sir.'"

    "I assume that the process of purification will normally involve suffering. Partly from tradition; partly because most real good that has been done me in this life has involved it. But I don't think the suffering is the purpose of the purgation. I can well believe that people neither much worse nor much better than I will suffer less than I or more. . . . The treatment given will be the one required, whether it hurts little or much."

    "My favorite image on this matter comes from the dentist's chair. I hope that when the tooth of life is drawn and I am 'coming round',' a voice will say, 'Rinse your mouth out with this.' This will be Purgatory. The rinsing may take longer than I can now imagine. The taste of this may be more fiery and astringent than my present sensibility could endure. But . . . it will [not] be disgusting and unhallowed."

    But beyond Protestants like Lewis, who openly admit their belief in purgatory, it may be said that Protestants in general believe in purgatory, they just don't call it that. For every historic Protestant will admit that our sinning in this life does not continue into heaven. In fact, they will be quite insistent that although our sanctification is not complete in this life, it will be completed (instantaneously, they say) as soon as this life is over. But that is what purgatory is! -- the final sanctification, the purification. Thus it is permissible to say that many Protestants believe in purgatory without even realizing it.

    Ambi nako ug Doctrine sa Prostestantism ... individual belief diay na ... ilaha sab na, gamay rana cla balhin nalang na cla ug Roman Catholic.

  6. #386

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    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed
    well a good advice....

    be open minded...

    hehehe
    i always have an open mind...as far as I know...

    pero la may musolud...

    indoctinate me? sauna daghan man toh...but none of them had convince me...


    by the way, I'm talking here about..the Bible...that these writers were inspired by the Holy Spirit...am 100% sure about it...




  7. #387

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    Quote Originally Posted by seven_segment
    i always have an open mind...as far as I know...

    pero la may musolud...

    indoctinate me? sauna daghan man toh...but none of them had convince me...

    well its not my problem f "wala nay sulod"... hehehe

    And as far as i know, it was just an advice and i dont expect that you would take it either..

    hehehe

  8. #388

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    Quote Originally Posted by seven_segment

    by the way, I'm talking here about..the Bible...that these writers were inspired by the Holy Spirit...am 100% sure about it...
    aaaaahhhh samot kana ky writters na cla aw samot kalibog ang bible kung maohon na..
    i wonder insa ila gipangsulat dha asa kaha ang napuno or nakulang?...


    hehehe

  9. #389

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    Quote Originally Posted by dartzed
    aaaaahhhh samot kana ky writters na cla aw samot kalibog ang bible kung maohon na..
    i wonder insa ila gipangsulat dha asa kaha ang napuno or nakulang?...


    hehehe

    lagi....btw are you a Christian? The Bibe isn't corrupt...it is the Inspired Word of God...don't even think of it being corrupt....it has been protected by God...eversince...

  10. #390

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    Quote Originally Posted by seven_segment

    lagi....btw are you a Christian? The Bibe isn't corrupt...it is the Inspired Word of God...don't even think of it being corrupt....it has been protected by God...eversince...
    yup perting kristianoha jud... YES i strongly agree that the bible is not corrupt for it has been prtected and blessed by God Himself but humans are the ones whom are corrupt.. and you can see it on their works.. do you think what you see & read about the bible is the original one?.. humans are not perfect and is not authorized to decode or translate what is in the bible..

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