Porgartoryo

[makusama]

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"And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection. For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead, and because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. With godliness... Judas hoped that these men who died fighting for the cause of God and religion, might find mercy: either because they might be excused from mortal sin by ignorance; or might have repented of their sin, at least at their death. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins." - 2 Maccabees 12:43-46

Nothing impure can enter into the Kingdom of God (Revelations 21:27).

Protestants say that since Purgatory is not mentioned "by name" in the Holy Bible, it doesn't exist. But the "Trinity" is not mentioned in the Bible either yet almost all mainstream Protestant denominations believe in it. Unfortunately, the King James version of the Bible mistakenly omits the Books of Maccabees. These books were decided by the Church Fathers to be inspired of God. The Twelve Apostles used the Septuagint (Greek) canon - almost every single quote from the Old Testament that is cited in the New is from the Septuagint - this canon includes the First and Second Books of Maccabees (as well as five others). It is clear that praying for the dead to release them from the reparation of their sins is good according to the first Biblical verse quoted


Now, let's say you have one man who leads a saintly life and another who leads a sinful life, but sincerely repents of his sins on his death bed. According to Protestants, both these men go straight to Heaven after death. Is this just? I would have to answer in the negative. According to Catholic belief, the saintly man would go straight to Heaven whereas the repentant man would have to be cleansed of the temporal (not eternal) punishment for his sins before entering Heaven. Where is this done? He can't be sent to Hell because Hell is eternal per Scripture (Matthew 25:46; Mark 3:29). There has to be a "middle ground" so to speak. This "middle ground" is Purgatory. We must suffer for our sins just as Christ suffered for them (Romans 8:17; 2 Corinthians 1:5-7). If this suffering is not in this life, it has to be in the next.

[amingb]

naay purgatoryo sa Catholics ..

Sa non Catholics Christian wala ... kay after mamatay ang tawo matulog rana cia until mo balik c Christ ....

2 Corinthians 5:8 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep;

1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

[makusama]

hehehe

Matthew 17:1-9
1After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

4Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah."

5While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!"

6When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7But Jesus came and touched them. "Get up," he said. "Don't be afraid." 8When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.

9As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead."

Matthew 17:1-9

murag nagmata man si Moses og Elijah... hehehe or nag sleepwalk ba kaha sila? unsay tanaw nimo?

basin gi alimungawan pa si matthew noh? na hala for curiousity sake naa pay duha oh...

Mark 9:1-8

Luke 9:28-36

[necrotic freak]

naay purgatoryo sa Catholics ..

Sa non Catholics Christian wala ... kay after mamatay ang tawo matulog rana cia until mo balik c Christ ....

2 Corinthians 5:8 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep;

1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

bro mangutana ko nimo. ang kalag ma tulog ba? "soul Sleep" dili man gani na mamatay ma tulog na hinuon?

[lomhanz]

hahay, porgatory.. diin kaman intawn naimbento
ug kung kinsa man niini ang nagpasiulo
hinaot sa uwahi siya maka-amgo
nga kining porgatoryo binuhat lamang sa tawo.

whoa! i like it!


PEACE!

[amingb]

hehehe

murag nagmata man si Moses og Elijah... hehehe or nag sleepwalk ba kaha sila? unsay tanaw nimo?

basin gi alimungawan pa si matthew noh? na hala for curiousity sake naa pay duha oh...

Mark 9:1-8

Luke 9:28-36

nice bro ..

Ug e literal pag sabot na cia nag sleepwalk jud na cla ...

Jesus appears here with two figures: Moses, representing Jewish law and Elijah, representing Jewish prophecy.

[rcruman]

Its really the spirit of Moses and Elijah on that time.
God permit it to appear, but we human prohibited to consult them.
Its the perogative of God or will of God to show it or not.

All spirit is in the hands of God.

Peace!

[necrotic freak]

Its really the spirit of Moses and Elijah on that time.
God permit it to appear, but we human prohibited to consult them.
Its the perogative of God or will of God to show it or not.

All spirit is in the hands of God.

Peace!

so wala/dili diay matulog ang spirit after mo gawas sa lawas sa tao.. nga matud pa ni amingb..

[amingb]

bro mangutana ko nimo. ang kalag ma tulog ba? "soul Sleep" dili man gani na mamatay ma tulog na hinuon?

Naa na pangutana nga ang Soul is immoratal ba ? yes its immortal ...

Kana imoha ask bro diko ka answer ana ....

Pero kanang doctrine nga Soul Asleep I think I believe ..

John 5:28-29
28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.

Daniel 12:2
Many sleeping in the ground will wake up. Some will wake up to live forever, but others will wake up to be ashamed and disgraced forever.

Naa pa daghan verse ana ..

[rcruman]

so wala/dili diay matulog ang spirit after mo gawas sa lawas sa tao.. nga matud pa ni amingb..

Even the Spirit of Elijah was with JOHN with the permission of God.

Bro keep on asking kay kahibalo ko kung asa padulong ni imo pangutana, hinay-hinayon nato with the verses of the bible (bahalag dili ka sugot nga basehan ra ang bible sa atong FAITH.).

Naa na pangutana nga ang Soul is immoratal ba ? yes its immortal ...

Kana imoha ask bro diko ka answer ana ....

Pero kanang doctrine nga Soul Asleep I think I believe ..

John 5:28-29
28"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.

Daniel 12:2
Many sleeping in the ground will wake up. Some will wake up to live forever, but others will wake up to be ashamed and disgraced forever.

Naa pa daghan verse ana ..

ask ko bro, unsay natulog ang lawas or ang spirit base on your quoted verses.

Peace!