Discussion on the Christ Jesus.

[geoseph]

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Per the Vatican:

237 The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the "mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God".58 To be sure, God has left traces of his Trinitarian being in his work of creation and in his Revelation throughout the Old Testament. But his inmost Being as Holy Trinity is a mystery that is inaccessible to reason alone or even to Israel's faith before the Incarnation of God's Son and the sending of the Holy Spirit.

[ basis in faith ]

251 In order to articulate the dogma of the Trinity, the Church had to develop her own terminology with the help of certain notions of philosophical origin: "substance", "person" or "hypostasis", "relation" and so on. In doing this, she did not submit the faith to human wisdom, but gave a new and unprecedented meaning to these terms, which from then on would be used to signify an ineffable mystery, "infinitely beyond all that we can humanly understand".82

252 The Church uses (I) the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity, (II) the term "person" or "hypostasis" to designate the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the real distinction among them, and (III) the term "relation" to designate the fact that their distinction lies in the relationship of each to the others.
237 The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the "mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God".58 To be sure, God has left traces of his Trinitarian being in his work of creation and in his Revelation throughout the Old Testament. But his inmost Being as Holy Trinity is a mystery that is inaccessible to reason alone or even to Israel's faith before the Incarnation of God's Son and the sending of the Holy Spirit.

[ definition of terms ]

233 Christians are baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: not in their names,55 for there is only one God, the almighty Father, his only Son and the Holy Spirit: the Most Holy Trinity.

[ one God ]

253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity".83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."85

[ one God in three persons but, each one is God Himself ]

254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary."86 "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son."87 They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds."88 The divine Unity is Triune.

255 The divine persons are relative to one another. Because it does not divide the divine unity, the real distinction of the persons from one another resides solely in the relationships which relate them to one another: "In the relational names of the persons the Father is related to the Son, the Son to the Father, and the Holy Spirit to both. While they are called three persons in view of their relations, we believe in one nature or substance."89 Indeed "everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship."90 "Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son."91

[ they are distinct from each other by their relation to one another ]

[http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm]

[maddox]

So in summary, Trinity means one God - meaning one in purpose, while being 3 separate personages God the father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. "Distinct from one another". Correct bai?

[IdontCare]

what verse?
ngano pangutan-on man ko nimo ani nga dili man gani ko tuog trinity nya pangutan-on ko nimog "where in the bible is that stated nga ang trinity means equal power", it doesn't make sense.

The people defined the TRINITY that they have equal power but its not what Christ said.
Christ said that "Father is greater than I".

I think you should know my stand first before asking question which is not my stand and Its my issue to people who believed in trinity that they don't have equal power.
Who are they? can you name one?

Peace!

Bro about sa kung naa bay trinity sa bible,well, ako nabasa ang gi post ni Isaac nya agree ko sa tanan didto gi post about sa trinity.

Nangutana ko bro kay basin MISREPRESENTATION napod ni bah. Kay wa man gud gasulti didto nga they are equal in authority nya ikaw imong sulti nga equal sila? so unsa man imong basis ani sa imong argument nga ang trininity means equal in power/authority?

Bro basin pasabot ana,equal in power but not in authority.

Bro i already know your stand,you said it yourself nga dili ka motoo ug trinity but what im asking is your basis kung asa nimo ni kuhaa nga definition? nga they are equal in power/authority.

[dartzed]

Bro about sa kung naa bay trinity sa bible,well, ako nabasa ang gi post ni Isaac nya agree ko sa tanan didto gi post about sa trinity.

Nangutana ko bro kay basin MISREPRESENTATION napod ni bah. Kay wa man gud gasulti didto nga they are equal in authority nya ikaw imong sulti nga equal sila? so unsa man imong basis ani sa imong argument nga ang trininity means equal in power/authority?

Bro basin pasabot ana,equal in power but not in authority.

Bro i already know your stand,you said it yourself nga dili ka motoo ug trinity but what im asking is your basis kung asa nimo ni kuhaa nga definition? nga they are equal in power/authority.

actually i think power equal cla but ang authority dili ky ang gisunod sa anak ky ang amahan man...

[Oakboy]

Jesus was in union with his "I" feeling, Supreme Consciousness, and his physical self...

mao nang naka ingon siya "I" and the father are one...Panag hiusa or Union with the Father to the supreme consciousness or GOD..
dili ingon siya mismo ang God, kon atong kahinumduman der is only One(1) God walay lain..mao bitaw ni tawag siya "father" kai anak ra siya...anak pasabot creature og dili siya maingon parehag nawong parehag powers ni GOD kai gi mugna raman siya isip usa ka mag tutudlo, propheta haron sa pag pahibalo kanato nga aduna gayud GOD/father og unsa ang gusto sa amahan, og si Jesus Christ mi pahinumdom sa unsay maayo og unsay dili...

Question about Christ Jesus 2:
the lost years of Jesus was answered by brother rcruman that he was a carpenter during those lost years.
13years old nag carpenter na siya hantod 31?..being a carpenter for 13years syaro walay nahitabo ni Jesus Christ, like inspirational things nga nahitabo sa iyang life, created completely as a man napa gyud siya sa city wla kaha siya ma inlove og opposite ***?...wait what a coincedence many pepol believe in the number 13 as badluck hehehe! dili ni mao age niya pag baptism dili na mao ang lost years? then 31 kon e invert 13 gihapon dili kaha mao ni ang age pag start niya og preach about the father?...

[IdontCare]

Jesus was in union with his "I" feeling, Supreme Consciousness, and his physical self...

mao nang naka ingon siya "I" and the father are one...Panag hiusa or Union with the Father to the supreme consciousness or GOD..
dili ingon siya mismo ang God, kon atong kahinumduman der is only One(1) God walay lain..mao bitaw ni tawag siya "father" kai anak ra siya...anak pasabot creature og dili siya maingon parehag nawong parehag powers ni GOD kai gi mugna raman siya isip usa ka mag tutudlo, propheta haron sa pag pahibalo kanato nga aduna gayud GOD/father og unsa ang gusto sa amahan, og si Jesus Christ mi pahinumdom sa unsay maayo og unsay dili...

Question about Christ Jesus 2:
the lost years of Jesus was answered by brother rcruman that he was a carpenter during those lost years.
13years old nag carpenter na siya hantod 31?..being a carpenter for 13years syaro walay nahitabo ni Jesus Christ, like inspirational things nga nahitabo sa iyang life, created completely as a man napa gyud siya sa city wla kaha siya ma inlove og opposite ***?...wait what a coincedence many pepol believe in the number 13 as badluck hehehe! dili ni mao age niya pag baptism dili na mao ang lost years? then 31 kon e invert 13 gihapon dili kaha mao ni ang age pag start niya og preach about the father?...

ok unta na bro imong expanation pero ang problema is ang context sa iyang gi pamolung nga "I and the Father are one" kay tubag man to sa mga nag inquire sa iyang persona.

Bro sa Jewish mindset kung mo ingun gani ka nga Son of God ka boot pasabot equal ka sa Ginoo or better term for that is ikaw mismo ang Gnioo. So pag ingun niya nga I and the Father are one is really admitting His Godship.

[IdontCare]

Then about sa lost years ni Jesus christ...

wala man jud to siaya lost years bro, wala lang ma record iyang mga gi pangbuhat during anang panahona.

too diay ka anang lucky or badluck nga mga numbers?

[rcruman]

Bro about sa kung naa bay trinity sa bible,well, ako nabasa ang gi post ni Isaac nya agree ko sa tanan didto gi post about sa trinity.

post niya? ako question, gikan ba sa bible iya gipangpost? maypa ka kay agree ka sa wala sa bible.

Nangutana ko bro kay basin MISREPRESENTATION napod ni bah. Kay wa man gud gasulti didto nga they are equal in authority nya ikaw imong sulti nga equal sila? so unsa man imong basis ani sa imong argument nga ang trininity means equal in power/authority?

here read this:

In the Trinity, the Three are said to be co-equal and co-eternal, one in essence, nature, power, action, and will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
this is their explanation because Trinity can't be found and wasn't explained by the bible.
Christ said that:

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
So they are not equal in any aspect.

Bro basin pasabot ana,equal in power but not in authority.

still you're not certain "basin". let the bible speaks not our own interpretation.

Bro i already know your stand,you said it yourself nga dili ka motoo ug trinity but what im asking is your basis kung asa nimo ni kuhaa nga definition? nga they are equal in power/authority.

Then I've given you the link and definition.
Then you're obligation is to show meaning of Trinity that they are not equal in power/authority(according to you).

Peace!

[Mr.Ho_chia]

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

RC ruman forgot that Jesus Christ is GOD 100% and was Flesh 100% that time. therefore as GOD HE is co-equal, Glorify the SON as you Glorify the Father, does it ring a bell?

Positionally that time(flesh) Jesus Christ was not equal to the father for HE became flesh and dwells amongst us.
Please don't forget, nagpakatao si Christ.

[maddox]

...wait what a coincedence many pepol believe in the number 13 as badluck hehehe! dili ni mao age niya pag baptism dili na mao ang lost years? then 31 kon e invert 13 gihapon dili kaha mao ni ang age pag start niya og preach about the father?...

The number 13 became known an the 'unlucky' number or 'bad luck' number after the incident in history when the Knights Templar were gathered and burned under the order of the Pope. It was a Friday morning. Thus started the belief about 'Friday the 13th'.

Kita biya siguro mu sa salida ana ni Tom Hanks.