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  1. #71

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    Quote Originally Posted by amingb
    lawgawa aning tawo bro sa Mysterio man kaau !! NGANO MAN .... unya ra cguro ta maka prove ug naa natas Emperno ani ... maka ingon jud ta nga maypa nag tinarong kos Ginoo nag cge raman ko atik2x niya oi di man diay mo sakay ... faetz


    mao nay giingon na ang pgbasol naa sa ulahi ang pagbasol...

    hahaha

  2. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by amingb
    http://www.dtl.org/catholicism/emails/apocrypha.htm

    Kanang Apocrypha gi kuha na sa Protestant because of some reason .... parihas ra gihapon bro parihas rata ug Ginoo ...

    naa ko isa na basa ...

    Second, some of the Apocrypha books were written in Greek, not Hebrew. So they are distinguished from the Hebrew Scriptures. This would relate back to point one.

    Third, Jesus seems to exclude the Apocrypha in his statement in Luke 11:51 - "from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the temple. Yes, I say to you, it shall be required of this generation" (NKJV).

    The death of Abel is recorded in Genesis, the first book in the Hebrew canon. The death of Zechariah is included in 2Chronicles, the last book in the Hebrew canon (the order of books is different from the order they are in today). So this seems to confirm the Jewish canon as being the correct one.

    so bro u mean if isa ra ang bible so la porgatory..hehehehe

  3. #73

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    Quote Originally Posted by amingb
    naka read ko ana bro ... daghan gihapon supak ana .. kay unsaon man pag refined sa tawo nga namatay na ...

    daghan gihapon supak ana .
    unsaun pag refined? through prayers of the living.. so we may pray for those in the final stage of sanctification to be made holy more quickly or in a non-painful way.

  4. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by geremarv
    so bro u mean if isa ra ang bible so la porgatory..hehehehe
    Kanang Apocrypha mao ang Books nga wala sa Prostestant bro ... naa diha ang purgatory mabasa nimo as in word nga Purgatory .......

  5. #75

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    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak
    unsaun pag refined? through prayers of the living.. so we may pray for those in the final stage of sanctification to be made holy more quickly or in a non-painful way.
    Mao na nag tradition sa Catholic wa ko mahimo ana .....

    How will God judge people, according to their words and deeds (Matthew 12:37; John 5:29) or according to their beliefs (Mark 16:16; John 3:18, 36

    Bisan unsaom pa cguro nato ug ampo sa mga namatay na wa jud ta mahims ...

    maypa ang mga Namatay na mo ampo sa mga Buhi .....

  6. #76

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    Quote Originally Posted by amingb
    Mao na nag tradition sa Catholic wa ko mahimo ana .....

    How will God judge people, according to their words and deeds (Matthew 12:37; John 5:29) or according to their beliefs (Mark 16:16; John 3:18, 36

    Bisan unsaom pa cguro nato ug ampo sa mga namatay na wa jud ta mahims ...

    maypa ang mga Namatay na mo ampo sa mga Buhi .....
    wa sad koy mahimo ana bro.. para nako sayop jud na imong notion ana..

  7. #77

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    The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a "purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven," which is experienced by those "who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven" (CCC 1030). It notes that "this final purification of the elect . . . is entirely different from the punishment of the damned" (CCC 1031).

    The purification is necessary because, as Scripture teaches, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our mortal sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically venial sins and the temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven.
    Though the word purgatory is nowhere found in the Scripture, it does not disprove the existence of purgatory or the fact that belief in it has always been part of Church teaching.
    Those who deny the existence of purgatory tend to touch upon only briefly the history of the belief. They prefer to claim that the Bible speaks only of heaven and hell. Wrong. It speaks plainly of a third condition, commonly called the limbo of the Fathers, where the just who had died before the redemption were waiting for heaven to be opened to them. After his death and before his resurrection, Christ visited those experiencing the limbo of the Fathers and preached to them the good news that heaven would now be opened to them (1 Pet. 3:19). These people thus were not in heaven, but neither were they experiencing the torments of hell.
    The Bible does teach that purgatory exists, even if it doesn’t use that word and even if 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place other than purgatory.

    Christ refers to the sinner who "will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins.

    Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.

    Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead: "In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin" (2 Macc. 12:43–45). Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily. This verse so clearly illustrates the existence of purgatory that, at the time of the Reformation, Protestants had to cut the books of the Maccabees out of their Bibles in order to avoid accepting the doctrine.


  8. #78

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    porgatoryo daw mghulat ng mga pending ang visa padulong sa langit...


    pEaCe...

  9. #79

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    ang purgatoryo purgahanan ra na. banyo kuno na sa gawas sa langit. usa daw ka musulod sa ganghaan sa langit purgahon usa ka kay hugaw daw ka, sa ato pa murag iro na gi-quarantine diha sa port area. maghulat pa kag 3weeks usa nimo makuha imo iro kay tingali naay rabies na madala sa isla ug matakdan unya ang uban pang iro.

  10. #80

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetfaith
    The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a "purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven," which is experienced by those "who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven" (CCC 1030). It notes that "this final purification of the elect . . . is entirely different from the punishment of the damned" (CCC 1031).

    The purification is necessary because, as Scripture teaches, nothing unclean will enter the presence of God in heaven (Rev. 21:27) and, while we may die with our mortal sins forgiven, there can still be many impurities in us, specifically venial sins and the temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven.
    Though the word purgatory is nowhere found in the Scripture, it does not disprove the existence of purgatory or the fact that belief in it has always been part of Church teaching.
    Those who deny the existence of purgatory tend to touch upon only briefly the history of the belief. They prefer to claim that the Bible speaks only of heaven and hell. Wrong. It speaks plainly of a third condition, commonly called the limbo of the Fathers, where the just who had died before the redemption were waiting for heaven to be opened to them. After his death and before his resurrection, Christ visited those experiencing the limbo of the Fathers and preached to them the good news that heaven would now be opened to them (1 Pet. 3:19). These people thus were not in heaven, but neither were they experiencing the torments of hell.
    The Bible does teach that purgatory exists, even if it doesn’t use that word and even if 1 Peter 3:19 refers to a place other than purgatory.

    Christ refers to the sinner who "will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins.

    Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.

    Then, of course, there is the Bible’s approval of prayers for the dead: "In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the dead to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin" (2 Macc. 12:43–45). Prayers are not needed by those in heaven, and no one can help those in hell. That means some people must be in a third condition, at least temporarily. This verse so clearly illustrates the existence of purgatory that, at the time of the Reformation, Protestants had to cut the books of the Maccabees out of their Bibles in order to avoid accepting the doctrine.

    kani maoy sakto pagkahubad.. :mrgreen:

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