What is the basis of your salvation?

[IdontCare]

bro ang pag follow ang maoy i-maintain dili ang grace.
Mamaintain ba diay ang grasya or ang pag-follow ang ma-maintain?
una ka mointerpret sa ako post mangutana sa ka kay dili ta parehag baruganan.
Imo conclusion sa ako statement kay influenced by your faith that grace alone is enough.
In fact? asa lagi nga niingon ko nga we need to maintain Grace?
ang i-maintain kay ang pagfollow

first of all kung mao na imong gi pasabot kinahanglan cguro makat-on ka ug spot kung unsa ang subject sa imong sentence kay kung imong basahon balik imong statement imong subject is GRACE dili ang pag follow, nya ni ingun ka nga ALL WE NEED TO DO IS TO MAINTAIN IT, so unsa man ang IT didto "follow"? i pa print ra gud ng imong statement nya dad.a sa maestra mga grade3 basin pasabton pa ka niya.

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
really? beh tiga-e kuno ko teaching ni Cristo nga dili good works. bisag usa lang kay matud pa nimo daghan. Ang teaching ni Cristo kay Gospel og ang Gospel matud pa ni pablo kay:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16

rcruman...pls sabta ang akong post sa taas about ani nga point kay kapoy ug balik balik. nisamot na jud akong duda nga maglisod ka ug sabot.

asa ko too kang Pablo o sa Imo?
asa sa bibliya nga dawaton ra og wala nay buhaton?
Hayahaya gud ninyo, basta pabor sa inyo dawaton pero kung muingon na gani ang biblia nga good works balik dayon mo sa Ephesians 2:8. tiwasa lagi basa hangtud 10 kay naa didto ang pasabot nga dili sa ato good works kungdi sa good works nga gusto sa Ginoo.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Ephesians 2:8-10

Peace!

Aw o oi too jud ni pablo kay sulti man ni pablo nga for by grace you have been saved... bisan ako adto ko too ni pablo ug dili nimo.

hayahay jud kay mao may gusto sa Ginoo mao ma na iyang kagustuhan di ba ingun SIYA nga cast all your burdens upon me and i will give you REST. unsa man diay ng rest, di ba hayahay man ng REST.


pasabton tika ha sa ephesians...

sa verse 8-9 klaro kaau diha nga GRACE ug dili good works ang makaluwas nato. Karun sa verse 10 ingun diha we are HIS WORKMANSHIP, kinsang workmanship? sa GINOO so boot pasabot ana kita gibuhat ta sa Ginoo sama sa osa ka clay pot nga diin workmanship sa osa ka potter. In simple terms we are HIS CREATION created in the likeness of Jesus Christ unto GOOD WORKS. Now diri ka naay problema kay imong pagsabot ani kay...mobuhat ta ug good works para ma saved.

Remember sa verse 8-9 ingun didto nga dili pinaagi sa good works kita maluwas so dili ka puede mo conclude nga mobuhat ta ug good works harun maluwas kay mo contradict man na sa verse8-9. So the only explanation left is mao ni...WE are CREATED in the likeness of jesus Christ to do good works so we would walk in them.

So kanang good works diha dili na harun ka maluwas kay ingun naman ang vese8-9 nga dili na mao ang makaluwas nimo but you must do good works kay you are created in the likeness of jesus christ naman ka.

kay tungod natamanan naman ka sa SEED of HOLINESS kanag seed mo bunga na into good works.

[IdontCare]

@rcruman

since hilig man kaau ka ug illustration na koy illustration harun masabtan pa nimo...

for example naka minyo ka sa osa ka anak nga babaye sa Royal Family sa england so matawag na pod ka ug part sa ilang pamilya therefore puede pod ka tawagun ug prince kay connected naman ka sa royal blood. Now sa imong pagminyo sa prinsesa naninguha ba ka nga mahimong royalty? or ang imong pagka royal automatic na kay nagminyo naman ka sa prinsesa? kasabot ka ani?

did you strive to become a prince or automatic ang imong pagka prince kay nagminyo naman ka sa princess? automatic diba.

Now kay prince naman ka you are expected to live like a prince so naay mga ETIQUITTES(sp?) or good works nga imong buhaton harun worthy ka sa title nimo nga prince. pero w/ or w/o these etiq princve gihapon ka kay imong asawa princess man pero bati sab tan-awon nga dili ka mo subay sa etiq sa osa prince kay salwayaun man pod.

Same thing w/ REAL CHRISTIANITY and salvation. Na christian not because of the etiquittes but because of the connection(grace) given by God through Jesus and kanang etiq (good works) mo follow na lang na.

[Ironside]

Christ finished our own salvation?

What did He [the Lord Jesus Christ] come here for?

Mt 20:28 "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."

Did He accomplish what He came here for at the cross? Yes

Was in John 19:30 mentioned that our salvation is finished and we don't have to work with it just accept the grace?

No, it is not mentioned in John. The full explanation and exposition about His death on the cross is given to us in the epistles. In the epistles it is explained that it is not through works that a sinner is saved. It is by grace through faith.

Bro how this possible?:
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
1 Peter 2:21.

Peter was addressing folks who are already born again people when he wrote 1 Peter 2:21:

1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


Here in this present evil age, the saved sinner who walks in righteousness suffers for in the world, he will have tribulation.

There you go, mao diay nalain imo pagsabot sa biblia.
basta grace mao ra imo kuhaon pero kung good works isalikway (mata mata ra gud).

Don't worry verse by verse na lang aron basahon nimo.

Peace!

No, you did not get it. what i mean was: BASTA IKAW MOY MUTUBAG with your heretical postings that insults the Lord Jesus Christ DILI KAY NAKO TAGAAN OG IMPORTANSYA. You are a heretic, perverting the grace of God. Kung mo reply ko nimo dili na primarily para nimo kundili para sa mga forumers who might be misled by you.


Repent and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ alone for salvation bai..........else you will pay for every heretical word you say here someday. Be warned.

[circles122345]

faith and works.

[dartzed]

@Ironside

hahaha u nailed him bro..

God's revenge against the enemies of his church. The happiness of the heavenly Jerusalem.

[Mr.Ho_chia]

faith and works.

faith then works

[Mr.Ho_chia]

@rcruman

since hilig man kaau ka ug illustration na koy illustration harun masabtan pa nimo...

for example naka minyo ka sa osa ka anak nga babaye sa Royal Family sa england so matawag na pod ka ug part sa ilang pamilya therefore puede pod ka tawagun ug prince kay connected naman ka sa royal blood. Now sa imong pagminyo sa prinsesa naninguha ba ka nga mahimong royalty? or ang imong pagka royal automatic na kay nagminyo naman ka sa prinsesa? kasabot ka ani?

did you strive to become a prince or automatic ang imong pagka prince kay nagminyo naman ka sa princess? automatic diba.

Now kay prince naman ka you are expected to live like a prince so naay mga ETIQUITTES(sp?) or good works nga imong buhaton harun worthy ka sa title nimo nga prince. pero w/ or w/o these etiq princve gihapon ka kay imong asawa princess man pero bati sab tan-awon nga dili ka mo subay sa etiq sa osa prince kay salwayaun man pod.

Same thing w/ REAL CHRISTIANITY and salvation. Na christian not because of the etiquittes but because of the connection(grace) given by God through Jesus and kanang etiq (good works) mo follow na lang na.

astang klaroha gyud. ambot nalang kung dili pa gyud ni masabtan. crystal clear na. ok padayon ta sa ato good works kay save naman ta, dili arun masave ta. hehe

[Mr.Ho_chia]

What did He [the Lord Jesus Christ] come here for?

Mt 20:28 "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."

Did He accomplish what He came here for at the cross? Yes







No, it is not mentioned in John. The full explanation and exposition about His death on the cross is given to us in the epistles. In the epistles it is explained that it is not through works that a sinner is saved. It is by grace through faith.





Peter was addressing folks who are already born again people when he wrote 1 Peter 2:21:

1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


Here in this present evil age, the saved sinner who walks in righteousness suffers for in the world, he will have tribulation.





No, you did not get it. what i mean was: BASTA IKAW MOY MUTUBAG with your heretical postings that insults the Lord Jesus Christ DILI KAY NAKO TAGAAN OG IMPORTANSYA. You are a heretic, perverting the grace of God. Kung mo reply ko nimo dili na primarily para nimo kundili para sa mga forumers who might be misled by you.


Repent and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ alone for salvation bai..........else you will pay for every heretical word you say here someday. Be warned.

bless you brother, klaro gyud ang work ni LORD Jesus Christ. it is through grace by faith indeed. agree ko our good works follow as a proof of having been saved.

klaro baya kaayo, daghan man lagi nakasabot ani, ngano dili man ma get sa uban? ang ila man gud pagtuo nga kung saved kana pataka na tagbuhat sa ato gusto maski dili pleasing sa Gino-o, which is absolutely wrong, saved christians uphold the law and thus do good works as a form of worship to the great living GOD of the bible ug dili arun maluwas pa.

Simple Biblical words and so easy to understand yet ireject gyud. maka hahay nalang ta usahay ani.

[Ironside]

bless you brother, klaro gyud ang work ni LORD Jesus Christ. it is through grace by faith indeed. agree ko our good works follow as a proof of having been saved.

klaro baya kaayo, daghan man lagi nakasabot ani, ngano dili man ma get sa uban? ang ila man gud pagtuo nga kung saved kana pataka na tagbuhat sa ato gusto maski dili pleasing sa Gino-o, which is absolutely wrong, saved christians uphold the law and thus do good works as a form of worship to the great living GOD of the bible ug dili arun maluwas pa.

Simple Biblical words and so easy to understand yet ireject gyud. maka hahay nalang ta usahay ani.

simple ra gyud bro. God made it simple. It is unbelieving man that complicates it.

[dartzed]

simple ra gyud bro. God made it simple. It is unbelieving man that complicates it.

mao jud ang tao ra jud galibog2x sa iya kaugalingon sanglit daghan sad maapil..