What is the basis of your salvation?

[rcruman]

now dinhi ka sayop dong...

murag wa ka kasabot kung unsa ng GRACE, kay para nimo e maintain man ang grace. Dili na imoha ang grasya dong gikan na sa ginoo ug wa kay mabuhat para ma maintain na, kay dili nana grasya kung naa kay buhaton harun makuha nimo ang gasa.

Murag dinhi ko sayop?
Balika kuno ako statement kung naa ba ko giingon nga i-maintain ang grasya.
Ang grasya kay ang chance nato nga maluwas pinaagi sa kamatayon ni Cristo og sa dihang nisaka na siya kay mao kini iya ingon:

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:19-20

so karon ingna ko kung ang gitudlo ni Cristo dili maayong buhat nga angay nato tumanon.

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever i have commanded you.

imong pagsabot ani kay good works ra nga needed harun maluwas ta? hay nako this verse didnt even exclusively mentioned salvation. dong broad kaau ang pasabot ni jesus ani dili lang kay good works kun dili ang tanang mga teaching niya dapat e tudlo.

Really? kakuyaw gud nimo, dili diay gud works ang gitudlo ni Cristo?
Asa diay padulong ang teaching ni Cristo? dili diay good works?
Dili diay good works ang iya ingon, "higugmaa inyo kaaway"?
Dili diay good works ang iya ingon, "its better to give than to receive"?
Diba ang teaching ni Cristo kay Gospel/Evangelio?
so matud ni pablo:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16

Tuo man gud mo sa salvation kay automatic or mura mo dawat limpiyo (dawlims).

according to Apostle's John Revelation:

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelations 20:12

Peace!

[IdontCare]

@rcruman

murag ikaw man cguro ang angay mo balik ug basa sa imong statement. imong last sentence sa imong post nga akong gi quote kay...Grace is the chance to follow him and all we need to do is to maintain it until the end.

in effect you are saying that we need to maintain GRACE. di ba mao manay boot pasabot ana? or basin naa kay split personality nga malimtan nimo nga ikaw ang nagsuwat ana? or basin wala ka kasabot sa imong kaugalingun englis?


Maglisod jud ka ug sabot noh? ingun ko didto nga broad kaayo ang coverage anang iyang sulit nga...teach them to observe... dili ra na exclusive sa salvation kundi sa tanan niyang gusto e tudlo. kasabot ka? daghan baya ug teachings c jesus dili lang kay good works ra.


o oi dawat limpyo kay mao mana iyang gusto nga modawat ta ug limpyo wa tay mabuhat ana iya manag gusto nga modawat mi ug limpyo.

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:mrgreen:

[amingb]

Kinahanglan ang tawo ma BORN AGAIN para maluwas .....

[rcruman]

@rcruman
murag ikaw man cguro ang angay mo balik ug basa sa imong statement. imong last sentence sa imong post nga akong gi quote kay...Grace is the chance to follow him and all we need to do is to maintain it until the end.

bro ang pag follow ang maoy i-maintain dili ang grace.
Mamaintain ba diay ang grasya or ang pag-follow ang ma-maintain?
una ka mointerpret sa ako post mangutana sa ka kay dili ta parehag baruganan.
Imo conclusion sa ako statement kay influenced by your faith that grace alone is enough.

in effect you are saying that we need to maintain GRACE. di ba mao manay boot pasabot ana? or basin naa kay split personality nga malimtan nimo nga ikaw ang nagsuwat ana? or basin wala ka kasabot sa imong kaugalingun englis?

In fact? asa lagi nga niingon ko nga we need to maintain Grace?
ang i-maintain kay ang pagfollow, read 1 Timothy 6:14.

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

@rcruman
Maglisod jud ka ug sabot noh? ingun ko didto nga broad kaayo ang coverage anang iyang sulit nga...teach them to observe... dili ra na exclusive sa salvation kundi sa tanan niyang gusto e tudlo. kasabot ka? daghan baya ug teachings c jesus dili lang kay good works ra.

really? beh tiga-e kuno ko teaching ni Cristo nga dili good works. bisag usa lang kay matud pa nimo daghan. Ang teaching ni Cristo kay Gospel og ang Gospel matud pa ni pablo kay:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16

asa ko too kang Pablo o sa Imo?

@rcruman
o oi dawat limpyo kay mao mana iyang gusto nga modawat ta ug limpyo wa tay mabuhat ana iya manag gusto nga modawat mi ug limpyo.

asa sa bibliya nga dawaton ra og wala nay buhaton?
Hayahaya gud ninyo, basta pabor sa inyo dawaton pero kung muingon na gani ang biblia nga good works balik dayon mo sa Ephesians 2:8. tiwasa lagi basa hangtud 10 kay naa didto ang pasabot nga dili sa ato good works kungdi sa good works nga gusto sa Ginoo.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Ephesians 2:8-10

Peace!

[rcruman]

Kinahanglan ang tawo ma BORN AGAIN para maluwas .....

Then after maborn-again wala nay buhaton?
Sure na gyud nga luwas na?

Peace!

[amingb]

Then after maborn-again wala nay buhaton?
Sure na gyud nga luwas na?

Peace!

Short cut lang na nako bro ..

I know kabalo nalka sa processo of how to be born again kay it seems sueto man kas Bible ....

Hebrews 5:12-14

12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

I Think the Next Step is Growing Up ..

[Ironside]

as it is written:

What Christ has done in the cross is for our chance to have salvation if we follow him.

Someday if you will not repent and trust in Christ alone for salvation you are going to answer for every thing you have written here that have spited the free grace of God in Christ Jesus.

Try to connect grace and good works and then you will have a complete picture.

Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

Inyo gigisi ang giingon ni pablo nga:
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
Galatians 6:8-10

i have explained this already. no need to repeat it again.

Most of people believing on grace alone we are saved are using or basing on this verse said by Christ:

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
John 19:30

Christ did everything because of "It is Finished", let me ask you Mr. Ho_chia and Ironside and even those born-again out there, what is FINISHED? is it our salvation?

But how come Christ said before He went up to heavens:

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:19-20

Christ finished the atoning work necessary for salvation. He then commanded to preach repentance and remission of sins in His name to all nations. They are to teach those who are already disciples [saved people]. Salvation you see makes one teachable.

What are the Things that Christ Commanded to the early Christians/Apostles? Is it OSAS? or Faith alone and good works is not important but subjective?

Try to read this parable maybe it will enlightened your mind.

1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Matthew 20:1-16

That is why Christ will call His sheeps because if by Grace alone we will be saved then no need for Christ to call because wherever you are you're saved automatically.

as what have Christ told:
23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luke 9:23

But if you guys will be asked it simply replies:
Lord puede dili lang mi sunod nimo total by grace we are saved and not by our good works as Apostle Paul mentioned in Ephesians 2:8-9.

To you born-again members "not by our good works" mentioned by APostle Paul are good works they've done before they've known Christ.

Just continue it reading until verse 10 you will see that our good works is not the basis but the good works that prepared by God.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Give you example, Ben Tumbling and Robin Hood in the eyes of many and in the eyes of people they helped will say that they are good people and they have done good works but int eh eyes of God they have done abominations and they should deny theirselves and follow God.

GRACE is the chance to follow Him and all we have to do is to maintain it until the end.

Peace!

A) Salvation is free. Not of works. Salvation results in good works.

B) Salvation and rewards are different. Salvation is free. Rewards on the other hand are the result of faitful service on the part of the saved sinner.

C) It is prophecied that there will be false converts. There will be wheat and tares.


P.S. if you are replying to me...ayaw lang kaayo taas taasa kay dili man nako basahon seriously gyud. Mata mata lang ni ako.

[Mr.Ho_chia]

indeed by grace, good works is the result of being saved.

[rcruman]

Christ finished the atoning work necessary for salvation. He then commanded to preach repentance and remission of sins in His name to all nations. They are to teach those who are already disciples [saved people]. Salvation you see makes one teachable.

Christ finished our own salvation?
Was in John 19:30 mentioned that our salvation is finished and we don't have to work with it just accept the grace? Answer me directly bro, what is "It is Finished" as uttered by Christ?

Bro how this possible?:
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
1 Peter 2:21.

P.S. if you are replying to me...ayaw lang kaayo taas taasa kay dili man nako basahon seriously gyud. Mata mata lang ni ako.

There you go, mao diay nalain imo pagsabot sa biblia.
basta grace mao ra imo kuhaon pero kung good works isalikway (mata mata ra gud).

Don't worry verse by verse na lang aron basahon nimo.

Peace!