If someone ask you "Luwas na ba ka?", whats ur answer?

[nemmo723]

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I think you can't answer that question unless you get there....
What's important is be good on your deeds para maluwas ka.

probably the simplest answer i've ever read in this thread..
simple is good..

[rcruman]

I think you can't answer that question unless you get there....
What's important is be good on your deeds para maluwas ka.

This is biblical statement.

Peace!

[Ironside]

maybe according to the bible which has honest mistakes. But according to the inerrant and infallible Bible [Word of God] salvation is not by good works:


Tit 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,


2Ti 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,


Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.


Saved not of works but for good works. Of course this reply is not primarily for you but for others who might be misled by your heretical statement.

[amingb]

sa akoa nga part ug ako pangutan-on luwas bako ang ako tubag kay dili ......

backslider man ko, na baptized ko by spirit and water ( JN 3:5 ) but base sa akoa knowledge about Bible e compare nako sa akoa spiritual status karon DILI JUD KO LUWAS ...... buotan man ko pero ang kabuotan sa tawo dili ang basihan sa kaluwesan .....

pero naa conflict sa doctrina sa Babtist nga very diisturbe kaau sa akoa thinking . kanang iilahang ingon nga Once Save Always Save ..

sa akoa nga part i was once save kay ning surrender naman ko ni Lrd tinod anay jud ta cia and i know it .. but kalit lang ning backslide .. matod pa nila Luwas nang ingon ana nga tawo.

mao ni ako basis nga dili ko luwas .. unless ma restore ko

Hebrews 10:26-31

26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a zeal of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the son of God, and has regarded as common the blood of the covenant by which he was made holy, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay" (Deut 32:35). And again, "The Lord will judge his people" (Deut 32:36). 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


Salamat mga Igsoon

[amingb]

maybe according to the bible which has honest mistakes. But according to the inerrant and infallible Bible [Word of God] salvation is not by good works:


Tit 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,


2Ti 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,


Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.


Saved not of works but for good works. Of course this reply is not primarily for you but for others who might be misled by your heretical statement.

Bro Baptist ka Bro ?

[Ironside]

Bro Baptist ka Bro ?

Bro I am not Baptist. I am non denominational. let's talk sa PM bro if you dont mind

[Ironside]

Hebrews 10:26-31

26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a zeal of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the son of God, and has regarded as common the blood of the covenant by which he was made holy, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay" (Deut 32:35). And again, "The Lord will judge his people" (Deut 32:36). 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


Salamat mga Igsoon

Bro, the book of Hebrews was written to encourage Hebrew Christians in the faith. They suffered persecutions, hardships etc. Some of them were tempted to return to Judaism, they were tempted to go back to their animal sacrifices, to the Old Testament priesthood, etc.


The book was primarily written to show them that what they have in Christ are actually the substance of which the animal sacrifices, the OT priesthood, etc were only shadows. That is why the writer starting from the very beginning meticulously delineated the superiority of Christ to Angels, the superiority of Christ to Moses, of Aaron, of the OT priesthood, of the superiority of Christ's sacrifice on Calvary compared to the OT sacrifices.


Hebrew Christians, why are you contemplating a return back to shadows when we have now the substance in Christ? Do you want to go back to animal sacrifices again? But those animal sacrifies are but only shadows of the good things to come in Christ, they cant take away sins:


Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.





Only the Lamb of God can take away sins. He was manifested to take away not only our sin but also our sins. [John 1:29, 1 John 3:5]


And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.1 John 3:5


Brothers!!! We have now a new and living way to come to God, not with those OT sacifices along with the priesthood of Aaron etc. I hear in your discouragement that you are now forsaking your assembling together. You want to go back to the synagogue?


Do you really think that those animal sacrifices can take away your sins? I tell you that if you go back to that Old System which is now superseded by the New Covenant raitifed by the blood of Christ shed on the cross, THERE WILL BE NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR YOUR SINS AFTER RECIEVING THE TRUTH ABOUT CHRIST'S DEATH ON THE CROSS.


Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,



You know that those animal sacrifices cannot take away sins and that only Christ's sacrifice can do that. If you do that, know that that is a sin of unbelief. You are willfully rejecting what Christ did for you. For you know that it is Christ's sacrifice alone which can take away sins. If you do that, it will show that you are not really genuine believers at all from the start.


"Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?" Hebrews 10:29


If you go back to those sacrifices there will be no more sacrifice for you sins. By your going back, you are like saying that Christ's death on the cross was nothing to you. Brothers are you now going back after all the things you have suffered for Christ's sake?


Heb 10:32 But recall the former days in which, after you were illuminated, you endured a great struggle with sufferings:

33 partly while you were made a spectacle both by reproaches and tribulations, and partly while you became companions of those who were so treated;

34 for you had compassion on me in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your goods, knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession for yourselves in heaven.

35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward.


Brothers you need to endure and persevere. Continue in Christ through faith. Keep on trusting in Him. Do not cast away your confidence in Christ. Dont go back and rely on shadows when you have the subsance. The just shall live by faith. If you draw back from Him and go back to those OT shadows, it will show that you were not saved in the first place. A truly saved man may fall into sin but his faith in Christ will never be extinguished. But brothers you know what? We know what kind of faith you have. We know that you have genuine faith. We know that it will never be extinguished. We know that it will stand the test and will persevere.


You see, brethren "We are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul." Heb 10:39. We know you have that kind of faith.

[rcruman]

maybe according to the bible which has honest mistakes. But according to the inerrant and infallible Bible [Word of God] salvation is not by good works:
Tit 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

bro you really get verses to prove that good works is not the basis but rather its a gift and we don't have to do nothing. Why not reading in until verse 8 so that you will know that we should do good works.

8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.


In Titus 3:5 apostle paul is talking their works of rightheousness with their previous faith, take note "work of righteousness which we have done", they believed that they do rightheousness before not until they knew the Gospel because the Good works they've done with their previous faith can't save them like (keeping the sabbath, not eating pig, shrimp and dirty animals.) Paul is very serious in his previous faith.

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Galatians 1:13-16

maybe according to the bible which has honest mistakes. But according to the inerrant and infallible Bible [Word of God] salvation is not by good works:
2Ti 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

Then in this verse you only took "who has saved us" and "not according to our works".
Didn't ever come to your mind that their works before are not with the accordance with Jesus Christ that is why their works can't saved them. But continue it reading "but according to His own purpose and grace" so we will do according to His purpose and grace. and the will of God for us:

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Philippians 2:12-13

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

In this verse the word saved refers to salvation from sins, not of ourselves and not of works because through the death of Christ we are saved from sins.

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 2:5-7

so if we are saved from sins we will be created in Christ unto good works and that is what verse 10 says:

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

so we should walk on good works as we are his workmanship.
without God we can't do nothing.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
John 15:5

That is why no matter we do good things but if we are apart from Christ we don't have salvation.

Peace!

[rcruman]

Bro, the book of Hebrews was written to encourage Hebrew Christians in the faith. They suffered persecutions, hardships etc. Some of them were tempted to return to Judaism, they were tempted to go back to their animal sacrifices, to the Old Testament priesthood, etc.


The book was primarily written to show them that what they have in Christ are actually the substance of which the animal sacrifices, the OT priesthood, etc were only shadows. That is why the writer starting from the very beginning meticulously delineated the superiority of Christ to Angels, the superiority of Christ to Moses, of Aaron, of the OT priesthood, of the superiority of Christ's sacrifice on Calvary compared to the OT sacrifices.


Hebrew Christians, why are you contemplating a return back to shadows when we have now the substance in Christ? Do you want to go back to animal sacrifices again? But those animal sacrifies are but only shadows of the good things to come in Christ, they cant take away sins:

Paul encourage them? or Paul teaching the spiritual way of sacrifice?
If Paul is encouraging Hebrews why he wrote this:

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Hebrews 10:26-27

Some hebrews were not tempted but they wilfully sin after they have received the knowledge of the truth.
And Christ only died ones to save our sins and if we wilfully sin "there remaineth no more sacrifice for the sins" because Christ only died ones.

Peace!

[rcruman]

@ Ironside:

and why you didn't continue posting verses Hebrews 10:36-38? are you hiding something?

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.


Peace!