Gays and Lesbians in Churches

[erwin_rommel]

no i am not. being skeptic and judgemental are 2 different things. mao bitaw ingun ko "BASIN" diba? basin wa ka kahibaw, ning give in sila 'cause you seem to be very certain that they didn't.



sorry sir but i think you are missing the point of our conversation. what's in question really is not about how difficult keeping the vow of celibacy is but the kind of people who will be exposed to it and with it comes the different degrees or levels on how difficult keeping the vow is.i understand maglisud ka ug balibad sa mga hamis nga paa sa mga chix but if you were to become a priest that would be the least of your concerns. why? 'cause you wouldn't have much access to those anyway ..if simply put, you'd have more chances of pulling off celibacy compared to your homosexual counterparts for the obvious reason that priests have more access to boys/men than girls/women.

Being skeptic and judgmental is not very different to each other. Both are assumptions. Both also prone to bias. And I think its not fair.

I also do not think that when you are a priest, you will have less access to women. Many lectors and parish workers are women. Money is there so as temptations. That is why I always point out that it's more of a mental thing than a physical.

[erwin_rommel]

In other words. The church has got to be the most corrupt and vile organization that ever existed.

Well, religion is a big business

[erwin_rommel]

this thread is obviously a flamebait. we all know unsay sentiments sa majority sa pinoys to anything towards LGBTQ+: tolerant but unaccepting and/or against it.

gamay ra kaayo nang porsyento na makita natong activity sa social media nga in favor sa community. i've worked on some LGBTQ-related projects sa mga clients nko like infographics and other related materials, and i have to say dli promising ang Philippines in terms ani nga subject. it's not just PH but most of the countries around the world aren't (positively) inclined towards LGBTQ+.

it will take years/decades before mausab ang landscape. i'm hopeful sa bag-ong generasyon nga silay mkapausab sa public perception towards ani, but as long as these boomers, gen Xs and Ys are still alive... ay kay mog laom ky mgsakit ra inyong buot. lol. lisud gyd na usbon ang mindset sa mga guwang ky mao nman nay naandan nilang tinuhuan.

Gusto ka ma parehas sa Australia ang Pilipinas interms of LGBT? Grabe na ka powerful ang mga LGBT diri. Imagine a like below post from Israel Folau about sinners in general which includes gays cost him his career. And he is not just any player, he is the best rugby player Australia has. Mao nang kagidlay ang Australia sa Rugby world cup. I don't know why the LGBT community got offended. Most of them don't believe in hell anyway.
Mga taw pod diri including mga politicians hadlok pod mo hatag og statements na dili in tune sa mga LGBT kay maka daot sa career.

[noy]

Being skeptic and judgmental is not very different to each other. Both are assumptions. Both also prone to bias.And I think its not fair.

your statement: "i've known priests who have homosexual tendencies but did not give in to temptations."
judgmental response: "dili jud, basta bayot gani nga pari sipyat jud na".
skeptic response:" wa ka kahibaw, basin ning give in jud sila".
sure ka parehas ra na sila sir?

I also do not think that when you are a priest, you will have less access to women. Many lectors and parish workers are women.

No i did not say that priests will have lesser access to women, i said they just have more access to boys. not really a problem if you're not attracted to boys though.

Money is there so as temptations. That is why I always point out that it's more of a mental thing than a physical.

so all crimes committed for the pursuit of wealth and sexual desires can be attributed to mental instability? pagsure sir oi.

[noy]

so para nimu sir, dili na siya offensive nga post?

[erwin_rommel]

your statement: "i've known priests who have homosexual tendencies but did not give in to temptations."
judgmental response: "dili jud, basta bayot gani nga pari sipyat jud na".
skeptic response:" wa ka kahibaw, basin ning give in jud sila".
sure ka parehas ra na sila sir?

Again, they are not totally the same but both are based on assumptions

No i did not say that priests will have lesser access to women, i said they just have more access to boys. not really a problem if you're not attracted to boys though.

Again, it does not matter if its a boy or a girl. A crime is a crime and both straight and homosexuals can have opportunities to abuse if they choose to

so all crimes committed for the pursuit of wealth and sexual desires can be attributed to mental instability? pagsure sir oi.

I never said mental stability. If you back read on our previous conversations, i have said mental strength. Do you know how navy seals are picked from the applicants? its not through physical toughness but mental strength. And do you know that there are gays that become navy seals?
kanang mga taw nga mo ingon the spirit is willing but the flesh is not, i say its rubbish.
If you want good servants for the church, they must be properly tested with mental strength. Unfortunately, most people think they are mentally strong but most are not, actually very few are. If you are giving to temptations, it means you are weak. Mental strength is something you can't develop, its a gift.

[erwin_rommel]

so para nimu sir, dili na siya offensive nga post?

No, i find it as an act of love. He does not want them to go to hell. Israel Folau sacrificed everything for this biblical passage. Other players were quick to retaliate once they get scrutinized by the LGBT.
I highly respect this guy as he put Jesus on top of everything. I myself would not be able to do such thing.

[noy]

Again, they are not totally the same but both are based on assumptions

so if something is based on assumption it is deemed to be pointless or something that doesn't hold water?
so imung pagdawat sa ilang gisulti nimu nga wa jud sila mu give in sa temptation can't be considered as an assumption?

Again, it does not matter if its a boy or a girl. A crime is a crime and both straight and homosexuals can have opportunities to abuse if they choose to

i agree with you at one point that anyone regardless of gender orientation can commit such crimes but homosexual priests? apparently they are not doing too well when it comes to keeping it in their pants.not that there's something wrong with being gay but the point is, why put yourself at risk of being vulnerable?
same thing can be said to people who are recovering substance abuse addicts, nganu mu adto man jud kas langub knowing you might fall for it..diba? next thing you know? latay2x na pud ka. hahaha

I never said mental stability. If you back read on our previous conversations, i have said mental strength. Do you know how navy seals are picked from the applicants? its not through physical toughness but mental strength. And do you know that there are gays that become navy seals?
kanang mga taw nga mo ingon the spirit is willing but the flesh is not, i say its rubbish.
If you want good servants for the church, they must be properly tested with mental strength. Unfortunately, most people think they are mentally strong but most are not, actually very few are. If you are giving to temptations, it means you are weak. Mental strength is something you can't develop, its a gift.

ok, pardon the confusion. so what you're saying is all is just a state of mind. depende kung unsa ka strong-willed ang tao. yes, i agree with you but then again, if you look at the statistics, daghang bayot nga pari ang ning fail and by your words, "most people think they are mentally strong but most are not, actually very few are. " if simply put, dili effective ang bayot as pari.

[noy]

No, i find it as an act of love. He does not want them to go to hell. Israel Folau sacrificed everything for this biblical passage. Other players were quick to retaliate once they get scrutinized by the LGBT.
I highly respect this guy as he put Jesus on top of everything. I myself would not be able to do such thing.

so you're putting atheists, homosexuals, and polytheists in the same league with liars, adulterers and thieves?
something's wrong with your moral compass sir. freedom of expression is one thing but that post you call as an act of love is another.
let's say, it was a post against Christianity, let's say from the Jews, posting something about renouncing faith in jesus for he is a false prophet.. then the jews would just tell you they love you and they don't want adonai to condemn you to hell for accepting jesus as the messiah. how would you feel?

[erwin_rommel]

so you're putting atheists, homosexuals, and polytheists in the same league with liars, adulterers and thieves?
something's wrong with your moral compass sir. freedom of expression is one thing but that post you call as an act of love is another.
let's say, it was a post against Christianity, let's say from the Jews, posting something about renouncing faith in jesus for he is a false prophet.. then the jews would just tell you they love you and they don't want adonai to condemn you to hell for accepting jesus as the messiah. how would you feel?

The statement came from the bible. it also is something that is taught in christian schools. but one thing Folau is not doing is forcing it to everyone's throat like those LGBT and Vegans are doing about their beliefs.

If someone denounces Jesus infront of me, then i will not get offended. It's his choice and it's none of my business. I don't even care if you are a satanist. If you ask me if i want a atheist or a satanist to be converted to Jesus then yes I want to. But forcing them to believe in Jesus is a different story.