All About Current Admin of Duterte

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In this case, since sa lista ra sila kutob and no cases are filed...

Ma-amaze gyud bitaw kong magbasa sa mga reply sa atong mga pinanggang DDS.

Kusog kaayo silang moingon nga 'nganong wala pakasuhi kanang naapil sa Ang Totoong Narco List', pero wala gyud sila makabantay nga maski ang gobyerno wala man gani makapasaka og criminal cases anang mga naapil sa narco list ni Duterte.

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Kinsa sa PDEA ang liable gani boss? Kay dili man ang tibuok agency imong ipa priso. Dili sad ang PDEA head kay personal crime mana ang libel. Dili sad ang President kay immune man siya.

Basis nako? Timing sa pag release. Elections. Walay liable if ever false. Ngano? Wala ko kibaw kinsa and asa ang first na pagpublish kay anonyomous ang source. Mo argue sila na this was first published elsewhere, by someone we will refuse to name.

Naa silay objective basis when they submit the case for evidence na. Kay in that case, they follow the laws on Evidence ug kanang chain of custody. In this case, since sa lista ra sila kutob and no cases are filed, it means wala na nila gisunod ang objective basis nila. Subjective na ila gigamit.

Dili d.i ma liable ang nag submit sa kato na information? Just like any official organization, naa dyod nay managot if sayop ang information. As for the punishment if sayop ang information, it depends sa organization. If sayop na majority sa information, PDEA head can be terminated or removed from position. President can be impeached.

As per my statement above, naay liable. Whereas the Totoong Narco List wala. No person to point fingers to and call out kay nagbuhat sila ug black propaganda.

"Año said the list was provided by the Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency (PDEA) and validated by the Interagency Committee on Anti-Illegal Drugs (ICAD), which consists of PDEA, police, military, and National Intelligence Coordinating Agency (NICA) among others."

""Yung iba 'wag na muna kasi hindi 'ko sigurado. 'Yung nai-file na, medyo validated na, we can say we have gathered enough proof," he said.

(Let's not name the others because I'm not sure. Those who are facing cases are somewhat validated, we can say we have gathered enough proof.)

In a statement, DILG Secretary Eduardo Año said 46 officials are facing administrative charges of grave misconduct, conduct prejudicial to the best interest of the service, conduct unbecoming of a public officer, and gross neglect of duty."

Those statement above shows na ang gi release na names are ones na kasuhan na. With enough evidence. Given with that statement, it validates na objective ang basis nila. And its not just the PDEA but other agencies are cooperating to create the list. And you still say hearsay gihapon?

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Just like any official organization, naa dyod nay managot if sayop ang information. As for the punishment if sayop ang information, it depends sa organization.

Gi-exempt man gani niya sa CRIMINAL LIABILITIES ang mga taga PNP/PDEA/NBI nga MAKAPATAY og mga bata ug innocent civilians sa iyang war-on-drugs, kana pa kahang narco list nga lista2x ra na.

Hunong na sa pag-hallucinate, oy.

In a statement, DILG Secretary Eduardo Año said 46 officials are facing administrative charges of grave misconduct, conduct prejudicial to the best interest of the service, conduct unbecoming of a public officer, and gross neglect of duty."

Those statement above shows na ang gi release na names are ones na kasuhan na. With enough evidence.

REALLY? Gikasuhan na? Asa man? Sa korte? Unsa man sab ilang mga kaso?

Nganong administrative case ra man (grave misconduct, neglect of duty, etc...)?

Nganong dili man criminal case under sa Republic Act 9165 or the Dangerous Drugs Act?

Kay wala'y enough proof si Duterte na na-involve ning mga tawhana sa drugs, dili ba?

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Dili ma liable kay who can you compel to release the source? You cant compel the PDEA head, kay President’s directive. You cant compel the President, kay of course you cant.

Exactly.

Wala gani maka-compel ang Supreme Court nga i-release sa gobyerno ang mga 'tokhang documents', kana pa nuong source sa narco list ni Duterte.

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Dili ma liable kay who can you compel to release the source? You cant compel the PDEA head, kay President’s directive. You cant compel the President, kay of course you cant. Who can you file the case against lagi exactly? Or wala kay answer ana?

PDEA head can be removed. By whom? The President? Siya gani nangayo sa list. Impeach the President? Dili ni siya impeachable act. Provided by the PDEA is the same as saying it was provided by the yellow camp. Or provided by the opposition, confirmed by the PCIJ. Unless you name me someone who can be held criminally liable, since administrative is out of the question kay walay comparison, then my point stands na the same ra ang both lists.

You cant name me the source. You cant name me the person responsible. The same ra sa ‘Totoong’. Black propaganda silang duha. Only in the case of the Narcolist, you have blind faith in the President.

Again, just like any organization, members can be held liable. Not directly by the public. The organization itself is liable. Naay consequence if they provide wrong information. Why can't the president remove the PDEA head if ever the list is proven to be incorrect? How does CIA sanction investigators who are not doing their job accurately? Again, if their claims are false, then someone will answer to them. We can call them out or the accused can file a complaint. How about sa totoong narco list? Who can we blame? Can anyone be held liable?

You mentioned Hearsay saying na walay objective basis and chismis ra tanan. And when I provided a statement regarding involved agencies in creating the list, gi ignore ra nimo. PCIJ is one organization. The Narco List released by the president involved multiple organizations and agencies. You still say hearsay?

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Boss asa ka kuha anang ma liable ang tibuok organization. If ikaw ang private citizen na apektado sa narcolist, ang tibuok organization imong file.an ug criminal complaint? Look at it from the point of view of the offended party. Ma compel niya si Duterte mo.remove sa PDEA head?

Wala nako gi ignore. Wala lang kay na name na one source responsible. The whole organization CANNOT be held responsible. Dili nimo masakaan ug libel ang tibuok organization. Dili nimo ma compel ang President mo release sa iya sources kay executive privilege. Taas kaayo kag sturya boss, pero hangtud karon wala kay na enumerate na objective basis OR person we can file the case of libel against.

Edit: naglibog ka. PCIJ was the organization allegedly linked sa ‘Totoong’ and not sa Narcolist. With your logic, dili diay hearsay ang ‘Totoong?’ Since backed by PCIJ sila?

You are only seeing it from one point of view. Again, within an official organization, you have trained investigators who are held liable if they provide false information. Again, naa gihapon liability. And what do you think happens if an organization releases false information frequently. What do you think happens if CIA puro sayop na information ilang gi release? Unsa man daw mahitabo sa usa ka intelligence organization that does not correctly deliver?

"Allegedly", you know what that means right? There is no amount of proof yet na sila ang naghimo ato. PCIJ even denied the claim. So, going back to topic kay segway nsad ta, hearsay gihapon ang Narco List with multiple organizations and agencies (along with PDEA) involved? Black propaganda gihapon?

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And what do you think happens if an organization releases false information frequently.

Obviously, mawad-an og credibility. Sama sa nahitabo sa current admin karon. Wala na'y motuo sa ilang mga gipangsulti. Gawas lamang adtong mga wala'y capacity mo-discern nga giilad lang sila.

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Of course we look at the point of view sa victim of the propaganda. The source of the propaganda will always say na tinuod na.

Unless you can name me a specific person you can file a complaint against, or unless you tell me the objective procedures they employ, then yes, black propaganda gihapon. Boss sige kag mention ug CIA, we dont know anything about the CIA kay sa movies rana nato makit.an. Segway ta pero ikaw man sigeg mention sa CIA, which is totally irrelevant sa ato discussion.

Para dili ta ma segway, I have two questions for you:

1. Point-person we can file the case of libel against; or
2. Objective procedure in making the list

If dili ka ka-answer any of those boss, meaning ana the same ra ang "Totoong" ug ang narcolist

Again, please state why hearsay gihapon ang Narco List. PDEA, validated by the Interagency Committee on Anti-Illegal Drugs (ICAD) and National Intelligence Coordinating Agency (NICA). Official organizations with trained personnel to investigate these kinds of things.

Ang segway kay ang PCIJ which you likened to PDEA, which the PCIJ denied links to the "Totoong Narco List". PDEA, ICAD, NICA, military and the police publicly credited on creating the Narco List and will be held accountable if the list is bogus. I'm not savvy with the law, however, naay kani na article na liable dyod ang nag submit sa ilang names.

Side-topic lng, here is the link for more information on what the CIA generally does https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/. Basin lng interested ka unsay gibuhat nila other than what is shown on TV.

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Layo na kaayo ka boss. Abot nakag CIA. An agency of a foreign country with a very different accountability system, judiciary, and overall structure from ours.

Let me ask you this: If dili na hearsay or black propaganda ang naa sa narco-list, ngano walay criminal cases ang na file against nila?

Wait, are you saying you don't believe na the PCIJ is part of the creators contrary to what Duterte said?

If "an agency of a foreign country with a very different accountability system" would also mean nay accountability system ang atong agencies but is different in terms of implementing them. It was never stated that PDEA has none.

How do you know walay criminal cases na file against nila? "In a statement, DILG Secretary Eduardo Año said 46 officials are facing administrative charges of grave misconduct, conduct prejudicial to the best interest of the service, conduct unbecoming of a public officer, and gross neglect of duty." So, on what grounds man ka maka ingon ka ug "hearsay" or black propaganda ang Narco List?