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  1. #21

    Quote Originally Posted by P-Chan View Post
    naa ko miga nga doctor ana siya na ma bunog daw imu liver ana..
    mao pod sulti sa akong miga...

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by P-Chan View Post
    naa ko miga nga doctor ana siya na ma bunog daw imu liver ana..
    its true boss. hago kaayo imo liver. because not all cells in your body can utilize ketones and we have to remember ketones is a byproduct of gluconeogeneis. daghan mo claim they loose weight because of ketogenic.but actually what happens is you loose a lot of your muscle mas but not the fat entirely. but of course its still loosing weight. for your body to produce glucose your liver will work very hard and requires lots of energy for that.

    https://proteinpower.com/drmike/2007...m-and-ketosis/

    The liver requires energy to convert the protein to glucose. The energy comes from fat. As the liver breaks down the fat to release its energy to power gluconeogenesis, the conversion of protein to sugar, it produces ketones as a byproduct. And what a byproduct they are. Ketones are basically water soluble (meaning they dissolve in blood) fats that are a source of energy for many tissues including the muscles, brain and heart. In fact, ketones act as a stand in for sugar in the brain. Although ketones can’t totally replace all the sugar required by the brain, they can replace a pretty good chunk of it. By reducing the body’s need for sugar, less protein is required, allowing the muscle mass (the protein reservoir) to last a lot longer before it is depleted. And ketones are the preferred fuel for the heart, making that organ operate at about 28 percent greater efficiency.

    Fat is the perfect fuel. Part of it provides energy to the liver so that the liver can convert protein to glucose. The unusable part of the fat then converts to ketones, which reduce the need for glucose and spare the muscle in the process.

  3. #23
    mao pod nang ingon sa mga doctor sa australia. kanang study about ketosis nga bad sa liver was done on mice, not on humans. wa may mo finance large scale nga study about keto diet including ang government kay dako kaayo nag epekto sa grain, dairy or sugar industry.

    mas mo tuo pa ko nga ang sugar og mga maintenance na tambal kay mas maka stress na sa liver. mao nang ang mga kusog kaayo mo kaon og carbs og mo inom og softdrinks dako kaayo chance mga magka fatty liver.

    Try og watch "magic pill" on netflix. suko kaayo ang mga doctors sa australia ani nga show. feel nako na threaten sila kay if ma proven na it works, ma usik ilang years of research unya mo gamay ilang funding.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by erwin_rommel View Post
    mao pod nang ingon sa mga doctor sa australia. kanang study about ketosis nga bad sa liver was done on mice, not on humans. wa may mo finance large scale nga study about keto diet including ang government kay dako kaayo nag epekto sa grain, dairy or sugar industry.

    mas mo tuo pa ko nga ang sugar og mga maintenance na tambal kay mas maka stress na sa liver. mao nang ang mga kusog kaayo mo kaon og carbs og mo inom og softdrinks dako kaayo chance mga magka fatty liver.

    Try og watch "magic pill" on netflix. suko kaayo ang mga doctors sa australia ani nga show. feel nako na threaten sila kay if ma proven na it works, ma usik ilang years of research unya mo gamay ilang funding.
    keto diet is effective if done right. actually keto diet is just another form low carb hight fat diet. if imo trace ang carb metabolism ug fat metabolism it makes sense. but all this depends on your insulin sensitivity.

    keto diet is very dangerous if you do not have a healthy liver and pancreas(to some extent).

    ketogenesis or the process of creating ketone bodies is regulated by the liver using insulin and glucagon.

    if you have a liver problem like insulin insensitivity, then it might cause ketoacidosis, which can be deadly. remember our body during ketogenesis, produces three ketone bodies. acetone,aceto-acetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate. our cells will only use the beta-hydroxybutyrate, others will be released by our body slowly. acetone will be sent to the lungs para ma breathout, while aceto-acetate will be released together with other bodily fluids. now if you have liver problem or insulin problem, your body will not stop making ketogenesis in which these acetone and aceto-acetate will pile up sa imo blood stream and sa imo kidney and sa imo lungs which will be deadly.

    proper diet is also a must as for the fats to transported to the cells, our body needs Carnitine which can be found in high quantities in red meats,fish and dairy products.

    this is the problem if daghan musakay sa fad but little knowledge.

    we have to remember also, that not all cells in our body can metabolize ketones. our red blood cells or erythrocites does not have a mitchondria to metabolize fats. which is why our liver will undergo gluconeogenesis to produce glucose para sa redblood cells. this is a lot of work sa liver so we must have a healthy liver.

    so please sa mga nag keto diet, check with your doctor and ayaw intawn pasagad sakay sa fad. keto diet will be good for you if you want to regulate weight or loose weight but please check with your doctor para ma check inyo liver if you have a healthy and functioning alpha and beta cells.
    Last edited by digitalsuperman; 11-05-2018 at 12:36 PM.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    keto diet is effective if done right. actually keto diet is just another form low carb hight fat diet. if imo trace ang carb metabolism ug fat metabolism it makes sense. but all this depends on your insulin sensitivity.

    keto diet is very dangerous if you do not have a healthy liver and pancreas(to some extent).

    ketogenesis or the process of creating ketone bodies is regulated by the liver using insulin and glucagon.

    if you have a liver problem like insulin insensitivity, then it might cause ketoacidosis, which can be deadly. remember our body during ketogenesis, produces three ketone bodies. acetone,aceto-acetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate. our cells will only use the beta-hydroxybutyrate, others will be released by our body slowly. acetone will be sent to the lungs para ma breathout, while aceto-acetate will be released together with other bodily fluids. now if you have liver problem or insulin problem, your body will not stop making ketogenesis in which these acetone and aceto-acetate will pile up sa imo blood stream and sa imo kidney and sa imo lungs which will be deadly.

    proper diet is also a must as for the fats to transported to the cells, our body needs Carnitine which can be found in high quantities in red meats,fish and dairy products.

    this is the problem if daghan musakay sa fad but little knowledge.

    we have to remember also, that not all cells in our body can metabolize ketones. our red blood cells or erythrocites does not have a mitchondria to metabolize fats. which is why our liver will undergo gluconeogenesis to produce glucose para sa redblood cells. this is a lot of work sa liver so we must have a healthy liver.

    so please sa mga nag keto diet, check with your doctor and ayaw intawn pasagad sakay sa fad. keto diet will be good for you if you want to regulate weight or loose weight but please check with your doctor para ma check inyo liver if you have a healthy and functioning alpha and beta cells.
    Its been years since this so called fad diet has been around yet doctors have not provided any substantial evidence that a keto diet is dangerous. On the other hand, people who tried it has mostly positive outcome even those with autoimmune problems. Plus most doctors are not experts with diets. They keep on advising their patients with low fat diets yet heart, cancer and autoimmune diseases keep on climbing.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by erwin_rommel View Post
    Its been years since this so called fad diet has been around yet doctors have not provided any substantial evidence that a keto diet is dangerous. On the other hand, people who tried it has mostly positive outcome even those with autoimmune problems. Plus most doctors are not experts with diets. They keep on advising their patients with low fat diets yet heart, cancer and autoimmune diseases keep on climbing.
    keto diet is dangerous if you are prediabetic and diabetic. you can research that. you need to have a healthy liver and pancreas beta cells and alpha cells to control ketones or else you risk of ketoactidosis.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by digitalsuperman View Post
    keto diet is dangerous if you are prediabetic and diabetic. you can research that. you need to have a healthy liver and pancreas beta cells and alpha cells to control ketones or else you risk of ketoactidosis.
    I believe that will happen if you take high fat processed food. But if you take natural fats like fat from avocado, fatty fish and meat, i dont believe you will get that ketoactidosis. I myself was prediabetic and prehypertensive before i tried paleo.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by erwin_rommel View Post
    I believe that will happen if you take high fat processed food. But if you take natural fats like fat from avocado, fatty fish and meat, i dont believe you will get that ketoactidosis. I myself was prediabetic and prehypertensive before i tried paleo.
    nope completely false. fats are generally good for the body. but processed foods contains large amount of salt as preservative which is bad and it contains high amount of MSG, in which it makes your pancreas produce insulin. its not the fat on the processed foods but the chemicals preservative and artificial flavor they put in it.

    you should research how keto is produced by the body and how keto in high volumes or ketoacidosis destroys your kidney and liver.

    once on starvation state, our body will run on fatty acids. ketone bodies is produced and mind you, the only way that your body controls the production of ketone bodies is thru insulin and glucagon. in normal volume acetone, one of the ketone bodies will go to your lungs, and breath it out. but in large volume due to ketoacidosis, it will go to your kidney, your kidney will produce water just to let it out and acetone is acidic it will damage your kidneys along the way.

    if your pancreas does not produce insulin, in which it happens with diabetic type 1, then you risk of having that problem, more problem than diabetic. although, keto diet is able to reverse the type 2 diabetes but in a controlled condition.

    try to research about metabolic pathways and fat metabolism and while on that ketoacidosis.

    how sure are you that you are prediabetic and not just insulin resistant or even fatty liver disease? which type of prediabetic? type1 or 2?

    im not saying keto diet is bad. in fact it is good it is very good. but of course ato makita is ang puro ra maayo and these things naay parameters to do it right. people must know these things or else they risk of having more problem. keto diet is for me the best way to loose weight but please do it right for the benefit of your well being and your family as well.
    Last edited by digitalsuperman; 11-22-2018 at 08:56 AM.

  9. #29
    I am in Keto diet no rice for almost 2 months now.Nka apan kay ma kaun gihapon ta panagsa ug cake, chocolate, mango float ug any sweets.hai nku!

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by erwin_rommel View Post
    Its been years since this so called fad diet has been around yet doctors have not provided any substantial evidence that a keto diet is dangerous. On the other hand, people who tried it has mostly positive outcome even those with autoimmune problems. Plus most doctors are not experts with diets. They keep on advising their patients with low fat diets yet heart, cancer and autoimmune diseases keep on climbing.
    this is one of the study about the diabetic ketoacidosis by the National Center for Biotechnology Information.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279052/

    this is a very detailed study.

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