MERGED: Modern Education, Literacy and English Proficiency

[victor3]

Then that is just an IN YOUR FACE CONTRADICTION of your statement about ABOLISHING the FILIPINO SUBJECT tungod kay TAGALOG ang gamit . Is VISAYAN or CEBUANO to be specific competitive enough golabally as to what you are suggesting sa imohang INFORMATION AGE or bisan na lang sa INDUSTRIAL AGE ? I dont think so .

Obviously, you’re not getting my point. If in case i-teach man ugaling ang bisaya sa schools, the urgency of abolishing it is somehow lessened kay ngano man? Bisaya gud ta therefore naa’y gamay’ng purpose other than relevance niya sa Information Age. Now kun tagalog imong tun-an amidst the myriad of valuable things that needs to be learned ASAP, maka-ingon kaha ka nga ok ra kay tagalog sad ka?

I hypothetically used the worthiness of bisaya as national language reasoning just to show the illegitimacy of tagalog subjects in visayan schools and the need for it to be abolished.

Not all the time . Just because MAJORITY ang outcome ug wala na siya TIMBANGA , chaos ang mahitabo ana in general . SUma , when we vote the public officials as an example .. obviously they won the seat because of the MAJOIRTY , pero if you havent voted wisely unsay mahitabo ?

What are you babbling about? Mao gani nga majority because the people have willed it during a referendum, plebisito or election. Suffrage is quantity.

If quality is in doubt, then basola ang quality of edukasyon sa voters, instead nga ma-improve ang political awareness, nalaw-gaw na hinuon ang salabutan gumikan sa pagkat-on og tagalog nga ma-apply lang kun mutan-aw og salida ni Erap ug Fernando Poe.

Pero when selecting what should be our national language, I think it doesn’t need nga wise ang majority of the people ana for their own dialect to be exalted as national language. Majority-wins principle is applicable ani nga hisgutanan…….terrorista ra ug some senseless fraternities (no offence) ang nag create og chaos.

Wala ba ni STAND OUT ang PILIPINAS for being the 3rd largest ENGLISH SPEAKING country in the world ? Bisan ENGLISH CARABAO pa na si Juan , he knows what he is talking about bisan accent ana Ilokano pa.

What I mean by stand-out is in terms of mental astuteness, literacy and originality. In order to stand out, we need a heavier dose of science, engineering, business, economics, IT and mathematics for national industrialization. In order to ingest more knowledge, we need to study more. In order to study more, we need to bullsh*t less in Filipino (tagalong) classes.

Sorry diay if na hurt ka sa TAGALEG

[victor3]

go for a more modern education or mode of teaching but not to abolish the subject we feel les important.

Siguro i-optional lang kay less important man kaha. Pero i dont think daghan pa manguha ana Filipino kun i-optional man lang ugaling.

kung mo-ingon pud mo nga ang linggwahe sa english usa ka factor ngano establish economically ang usa ka country di pud na siya fair. study na lang japan, malaysia and others they succeeded not bcoz they are fluent in english.

I agree, thats why wala gyud nag-ingon diri nga english ang solusyon sa problema. Pero di lang pod ko mo-agree nga mo-emulate ta sa mga hapon ug koreano nga murag huraw cge lang yango-yango sa product launching ug interviews nga tulo pa gani kabuok interpreters.

Karon nga globalized na gyud kaayo ang world environment, i dont think magpadayon pa na ilang success. Thats why makakita ka daghan kaayo koreano ug hapon diri sa pilipinas nga nagkat-on og english kay they suddenly feel nga mabiyaan gyud sila in the long run.

Tan-awa ang pinas karon, its gaining ground albeit slow.

[omad]

^ don't you find your statements funny and a little bit uninformed?

- Japan and S. Korea would be left behind in the world environment because they lack communication skills (english) in their product launching -

tell me what is the most important aspect in a product launching? it's THE PRODUCT!! am i right? yes, Filipinos might be fluent in english and in turn may be exemplary in promoting a product BUT what good is speaking in english when you don't even have a product to launch?? what good is speaking in english when you don't have anything to present much less promote?

yes it's true that Filipinos would excel when given the chance of launching products and doing interviews but what good is that when you don't have the necessary support to even put an idea into the drawing board much less build it? see what i mean?

at best, both countries (Japan/S.Korea) are about 3-5 years behind the Philippines in terms of speaking in english. the question is: how far behind is the Philippines in terms of everything else ie technology, logistics compared to S. Korea and Japan? may be 50-80 years? a century?

so whose laughable between Japan/S. Korea and the Philippines? one who has all the means and support in research, development and actual implementation of an idea by their country BUT lacks communication skills ie english in selling the final product. OR one who has a little bit of an advantage in terms of communication skills BUT doesn't have anything to sell because they don't have enough support from their government in the realization of a simple idea?

which one is cheaper: learning to speak english or having the technology and logistics to compete globally?

which country (Japan/S. Korea or Philippines) doesn't need other countries for them to compete globally? which country can stand on their own with a little or no help at all from other countries? Filipinos are very reliant of other countries ie OFW's (nurses, domestic helpers etc), outsourcing ie MEPZ and call centers. what is left of the Philippine economy without those?

THOSE are just some of many advantages Japan and S. Korea has over the Philippines right now and probably will have in another hundred years... speaking english is just one slight advantage the Philippines have over them. BUT does that mean we are globally competitive compared to them?

but after that, we really don't have anything else to offer.

[omad]

^ if you say we are gaining ground, to which country? Japan or S. Korea? U.S.? UK? Germany? France?

yes. naturally, we should be gaining ground 'coz there's no other countries behind us. WE ARE THE ONE LEFT BEHIND. that explains everything.

we are very much at the bottom rung that logically there's no other way to go but UP. is that what you meant by gaining ground?

modernized education my arse... Japan is modernized in all aspects except for their english communication. the Philippines is still at the "Stone Age" outside of english communication compared to them. that is the bottomline.

it is actually insulting to have Japan in the same sentence with the Philippines when speaking about global competitiveness. having good command in english BUT having nothing else doesn't make a country globally competitive. common sense should tell you that...

tsk tsk tsk... and the best remedy you can come up with is abolishing Filipino subject... let's get real here

[bunny_101]

wala manjud nay ayu ang "tagalog" sub. oi samuk2x lang na xa bayad2x lang ug asta nang mga PE sub.

[victor3]

Yup, it’s the PRODUCT above all else that is important and that we could not create because we don’t have basic knowledge and right resources yet. Why? Because aside from having outmoded educational system, our butts are hitherto been screwed to some useless subjects that stands counter to national industrialization that could have made us create things more complicated than SARAO Jeepneys and Hybrid Rice.

Dude, the topic is not about how excellent we are in English and hence, the need for tagalog’s demise. We are addressing the problem of our system of education that’s long been diluted or polluted with some false sense of nationalism and myopic world views. We have missed a lot of things in science, engineering and economics among others because learning time is sucked off by irrelevant subjects such as Filipino that is actually tagalog.

Who said we are globally competitive already? I say we are still rotten, not unless we institute reforms in our educational system that could make ourselves globally competitive. A nation with solid grasp in science, mathematics, engineering and other fields necessary to create and launch our own PRODUCT.

Abolition of Filipino per se is not a remedy, but at least it may somehow lighten up the burden of poor students, and pave the way for more relevant knowledge…now that the government is venturing into Cyber-Education project.

[omad]

^ dude, then stop looking down on other countries (Japan/S. Korea) that don't speak english as good as "you think" you can. 'coz the reality is: in a full course meal that has an appetizer, main course and a dessert; "speaking english" is comparable to the "cherry" on top of the icing on the cake (dessert). in comparison, Japan already had a sumptuous feast except for that proverbial "cherry" that we Filipinos are very proud of which showed your very own false sense of nationalism and myopic views, ironic isn't it.

reality check: a lonesome "cherry" on the Filipino dinner table, that's all we have. no wonder Filipinos are hungry in the literal sense of the word. adding insult to injury is how Filipinos are snickering at the Hapon who's having a hard time explaining his product even with the help of three interpreters. at least he has something to promote and most importantly he's doing it with a full stomach... tell me, who's laughing now

back to topic:

why not update textbooks and information materials on subjects such as mathematics, science, economics and engineering?

with or without the Filipino subject, if our reading and educational materials are still flawed and continuously fall victim to corruption such as the textbook controversy (wrong info, wrong spelling, questionable facts). what good would a lot of time (granting that the abolition of Filipino subject in HS and College would lead to more focus on more important subjects), do when Filipinos are still taught with faulty resource materials??

what good would Cyber - Education Project be when most if not all competent teachers are no longer teaching our very own students but teaching foreign kids in far-away nations?

aren't those couple examples given of more importance than abolishing Filipino subjects?

once again, get your priorities in order... dude

ohhh wait.. that same Hapon is already enjoying his expensive wine with a "cherry" of course... what a life :mrgreen:

[erwin_rommel]

wala manjud nay ayu ang "tagalog" sub. oi samuk2x lang na xa bayad2x lang ug asta nang mga PE sub.

tagalog y au pero ang pe is very important para nato

[bunny_101]

aw ..cge ato ibutang ok ranang PE pero ga kaz man gud na sa bayad oi.

[bunny_101]

pero ang tagaLog nga sub. kinahanglan jud wagtangun walay ayu na

makalagot pa jud kaayo kay ug ang taga cebu ado maniLa kinahanglan nga kitay mo adap nila kailangan jud mag tagalog ta,
unya ug ang taga manila ari cebu kita lang japun ang mo adjust saman neh oi...........