Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[RayGunz]

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@slabdans Ahahaha. You see that, so easy to throw a perfect bait by engaging a quote and a "glitch". Got your attention didn't i?

Count another 5 more years and this thread is still stuck at istorbot stage. (istoryang binotbot) because salvation is nowhere here nor even there.

[cartoner]

The Great Wars has always been about power and money. It's never been about religion. But now that we don't have any more Great Wars, can you really say that people are united due to religion Within islam, it has two warring factions. In christianity, never mind, a lot to mention.

i spared you the time to check that 6:12 of yours, and yeah, it just proven my stand that within christianity there is division. just look at this countless interpretations of that verse :::

Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


you know why i hate religious people and why i call them hypocrites ?? i've been to a lot of congregations and this so called Bible Study years ago, i go there coz there are a lot of girls but one thing i noticed to all of them, one common denominator - THEY BACK BITE A LOT. They say mean things to other people and to other congregrations. Since i'm a "visitor" i'm always subjected to this SALES-TALK that their congregation is better than others ........ is that what you call christian-like this is just but one example ....................

accusing war of one side and the other side doesn't make any sense because both sides have caused wars.

Unity is not always the answer.
How about gang rape these are a unity of rapist.
Organized crime these are crimminals united,
or a simple mob.

Truth first comes before unity. But again you equate this with war, bickering, and bloodshed. But this is not true. We have been living with different denominations today peacfully as a proof.
As for concerning prophecy this will not always be the case false religion will perscute God's people it will not cause war but persecution. True followers will fight against principalities and power with "the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:" not with bloodshed while the other party will be employing blood in their war.

for some religion Its not an interpretation issue the verse is very simple to understand its an issue with adhering to the biblical principles or neglecting it.

All church members are not perfect, there are brethren or our sisters who needs correction and reproof once in a while instead of being judgemental, or accusative look at others we should correct them with genuine concern and gentlness if we know what is right or be an example.

As for me I don't experience back biting talks in church service although my daughter goes to the same school as our church. During school hours(fetching my daughter) I sometimes hear this from parents who are not church members.
The best way you can figure out which church is which is by its doctirnes, of course you could discern them by their members that is because they have the wrong doctrines in the first place.

[benlod]

James 2:14-26 NKJV - Faith Without Works Is Dead

[gibra'al]

pataasay nig ihi ngari? will this pay your bills?
i wish naa tay madawat nga tangible reward/incentives for imposing our beliefs onto others, i'd be glad to join.
but then, that's not the case. so, why chase this empty pursuit?

at the end of the day, the world does not really care. lol

[cartoner]

it's false peace.

that's why i mentioned the word BACK BITING becoz that's what's happening. every religion thinks that they are the Right religion, that they are the Chosen Religion or the religion given directly to them by their god.

you talk to me about correcting others and yet you can't even correct your fellow religious members here in istorya on that other thread

the word of god .. really now .. how'd you know that it comes from god and how come that your god was only being talkative during the times when there was no technology ?? how come your god has no WORD for today's people ?? why is your god so silent now

Look at your surroundings do you see different christian denomination bombing and killing each other?
Although we are in disagreement doesn't always mean killing each other.
force and fear does not convert people but kindness and sound doctrine, reason, enlightenment, with power of the holy spirit does.

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Argument does not always win a soul over to the truth, its willingnes of oneself to be corrected and realization of one's blindness with the power of the Holy Spirit can.

Have you noticed that we have a lot of religious discussions on previous pages other threads?
You are obviosuly Lying when you claim I don't correct other religious members.
https://www.istorya.net/forums/gener...eligion-7.html (pagutana is Born Again is religion?)

Again when you look at the church members back biting have you seen their doctrine if they agree with the bible?

Gods word is in the Bible he speaks through his prophets and messengers but you would rather hear lies and comforting and convenient deceits.

They say to the seers, "See no more visions!" and to the prophets, "Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant things, prophesy illusions.
Isaiah 30:10

There is no point in this argument, if one is not willing to recieve God's truth and mercy and utterly rejects them then God will leave you to your freewill he will leave you how to how you think.

[slabdans]

@slabdans Ahahaha. You see that, so easy to throw a perfect bait by engaging a quote and a "glitch". Got your attention didn't i?

Count another 5 more years and this thread is still stuck at istorbot stage. (istoryang binotbot) because salvation is nowhere here nor even there.

you did not answer my question if you believe this thread is a peace of crap so lets talk about this crap and not tackle this salvation thing. now going back to my question my question was are you mocking them? and second was do you believed that religion was existed 2 million years ago? if so who told you that?

[RayGunz]

you did not answer my question if you believe this thread is a peace of crap so lets talk about this crap and not tackle this salvation thing. now going back to my question my question was are you mocking them? and second was do you believed that religion was existed 2 million years ago? if so who told you that?

What a very sorry mindset you have. Still you think that in this agenda "appropriate" responses will be handed to you in a silver plate. What a hope, my deep respect on that. Keep hoping though. and Hope pa more.
Regardless of what you do, salvation will never come , even if you drew your last breath you will simply ceased to exist. Thats just reality and not a glitter of hope.

[slabdans]

What a very sorry mindset you have. Still you think that in this agenda "appropriate" responses will be handed to you in a silver plate. What a hope, my deep respect on that. Keep hoping though. and Hope pa more.
Regardless of what you do, salvation will never come , even if you drew your last breath you will simply ceased to exist. Thats just reality and not a glitter of hope.

Lol Respect? is this thing really existed in you narrow brain? it was just a mere word but you didn't practice it now going back to my question who told you that religion existed 2 million years ago? it was just a plain question but yet you cannot answer

[RayGunz]

Lol Respect? is this thing really existed in you narrow brain? it was just a mere word but you didn't practice it now going back to my question who told you that religion existed 2 million years ago? it was just a plain question but yet you cannot answer

Religions, beliefs, gods, faith existed even before time/date records are established. For your satisfaction of accuracy regarding time/date, i have to reduce the 2million to 2thousand years. So you should be happy with that.
My turn going back, Tell me how many religions, salvation, gods, and beliefs existed in this world? Isn't it too FUNNY and too scammy.

[slabdans]

Religions, beliefs, gods, faith existed even before time/date records are established. For your satisfaction of accuracy regarding time/date, i have to reduce the 2million to 2thousand years. So you should be happy with that.
My turn going back, Tell me how many religions, salvation, gods, and beliefs existed in this world? Isn't it too FUNNY and too scammy.

and my first question was, Who told you with that? its very inappropriate and disrespectful to throw such questions if you haven't answered the questions just yet. secondly our arguments now is not about salvation out arguments is all about this crap thread as for you