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  1. #61

    Quote Originally Posted by NapoleonBlownapart View Post
    the 10 commandments is not the moral law though most of it are categorized in the moral law. The 4th is part of the ceremonial law because the ceremonial law is about rituals. Keeping the Sabbath is a ritual.
    Well say the Moral law is subjective in your definition as some denomination defined it differently.
    I believe the 4th commandment was not part of the ceremonial laws. Its part of the 10 commandments, being written on stone by the finger of God and placed inside the arc of the covenant resembles its permanence and the very character of God.

    Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross- Colossians 2:14

    What is this handwritting of ordinances that was against us?
    Answer these laws are the ceremonial and sacrificial laws that was placed beside the arc that was "against us" that was Blotted out and nailed to the cross.

    "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
    Deuteronomy 31:24-26

    There is clearly a distinction in these set of laws.
    Ceremonial sabbaths are the monthly sabbaths ie: passover celebration, day of Pentecost, feast of first fruits are part of the laws and ordinances and ceremonial laws.

    Weekly Sabbath of the 4th commandment was what God commanded us to "Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy". Placed inside the arc of the Covenant. This is part of the 10 commandments, if we ought not to steal we also ought to keep the weekly sabbath holy these are in the same tablets of stone written and commanded by God.
    and we Should not forget this commandment that begins with remember.

    "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by PebblesandKisses View Post
    I dont quite understand your question and your intention of asking it and where this conversation is leading. Coz if youre really curious yourself, do research or pray perhaps and spend time with God. Or if you want to be acknowledged as a walking bible or an all-knowing person, go for it.
    I believe that observing the 2nd to the 10th commandment are a fruit and biproduct of loving and honoring God above all with all your strength, heart and mind which is the first commandment. Obedience to God is not by a christian/human's will and effort but by God through the Holy Spirit.
    For when I tried to keep the law, it condemned me. So I died to the law—I stopped trying to meet all its requirements—so that I might live for God. 20 My old self has been crucified with Christ.[a] It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die. -Galatians 2:19-31

    The only way we can live for God is by dying to our own worldly selves and allowing Christ to live in us.

    Now if you are interrogating my christianity and my knowledge about my faith, dont take it against me but I will practice my right to not conform.
    Obedience to God is not by a christian/human's will and effort but by God through the Holy Spirit.
    It is our will to obey and our will to disobey. God gave us free will.
    Should we disobey the great commision of spreading the gospel with the excuse that its not our will but God's will?
    We should exert effort on things that we can do for God requirements and the rest we leave to God's power.
    Although we can have much greater effecency, power and blessing if these efforts are according to Gods will.
    If Jesus can resurrect Lazarus why would he have commandmend men to move the stone instead of moving it himself.

    "And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it."

    We are Justified by the Grace of Christ through his atoning blood we are justified.
    We are not Justified by keeping the law:
    "I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die."

    We are not saved by breaking the law neither:
    "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?"

    So then what is the answer. Throughout the bible it is clear that we need the faith in Jesus and keep the commandments of God.
    "here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
    This wonderfully illustrated the relationship between grace and law.
    And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: (grace) go, and sin no more.(Law) John 8:11

    the difference between the ceremonial laws and the Commandment of God.

    Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts. Each person should remain in the situation they were in when God called them.
    1 Corinthians 7:17-20

    "And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ,"
    Philipians 1:9

  3. #63
    hapit nako mo tuo....gamay nalay kuwang...

  4. #64
    malingaw jud ko ug basa sa mga comments sa atong mga religious experts dri.
    about sa topic, naa lang koy pangutana:

    di ba ang term nga "born again" kay para sa nga mga nahisalaag pero nibalik na sa sabakan sa Ginoo?
    so, kung religion ang "Born Again"?
    unsa diay ang religion sa mga tawo nga nagasunod na daan sa dalan nga giladlad sa Ginoo sukad pa sa ilang pagka-himugso?

    "Inborn"?


  5. #65
    Naa ko na notice, mga katoliko gani pangutan-on they tend to differentiate and call themselves catholics while non-catholics are christians... same goes to mga non-catholic... mas common ko maka dungog ani sa mga charismatic nga mga grupo ug sa mga devoted catholic...

    seriously whats with that?

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by marius View Post
    unsa man inyong ika react ani mga religious ?


    Vatican rocked: Police raid drug-fuelled gay orgy at cardinal's apartment - NZ Herald


    Vatican police discover ‘drug-fueled gay orgy’ in apartment of cardinal who advises Pope Francis · PinkNews


    Vatican police broke up a homosexual orgy last month in an apartment belonging to the Con*gregation for the Doctrine of the Faith — the department charged with, among other things, tackling clerical sexual abuse.

    The occupant of the apartment is alleged to be the secretary of cardinal Francesco Coccopa*l*merio, head of the Pontifical Council for Legislative texts and a key adviser to the Pope.

    Cardinal Coccopalmerio is said to have recommended his aide for promotion to bishop, but those plans are likely to be disrupted by news of the orgy and by a period spent recovering from a drug overdose in a Rome hospital and another in an Italian monastery.

    The allegations about the orgy were published by the newspaper Il Fatto Quotidiano.
    of course, it was with the consent of the holy spirit.... if not they wouldn't had done it in the first place...

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by cobraKing View Post
    Ang paraan ba para maligtas ay ang pagtanggap kay Kristo bilang Panginoon at sariling Tagapagligtas? Ang kaligtasan ba ay hindi na maiwawala? Totoo ba ang paniniwala ng mga Born Again na “Once Saved Always Saved”? Kailangan ba ang pag-anib sa Iglesia upang maligtas?
    hindi totoo ang save always save... you will save once you will have faith you do the will of God...ang iglesia ay hindi makaligtas ng kahit sino man pero ang iglisia ang magtotoro patungo sa kaligtasan...kaso ang iba ginawang negosyo..... ang tunay na iglisia yong natuturo ng katotohanan..paano malalaman? yong nagtuturo nga gamit ang bibliya na hindi gumamit ng ibang version....

  8. #68
    Im not iglesia but i think this is consider as a religion...

  9. #69
    Religion is the cause of all evil.

  10. #70
    For me born again is a protestant religion nga ni biya sa catholic. Parihas ang ila teaching teaching mga protetant lahi ra sa catholic, wala sila kagusto sa teaching sa catholic so naghimo sila ila religion

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