Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

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hahahahahahha. where's your god now hahahahahhaha

sad there are people who use Christianity to bring a name for themselves.

[luci_morningstar]

why would i answer that question when people here have already seen what an atheist like me is like.

So you just want to comment but wont present what you believed in?

Theist also post the same ideas all the time, but at least they are Not afraid to Post it

i can still remember your WORDS in that Death Penalty thread, when i challenged your conviction but you swayed away ..... you are the type of person who are merely words ....

I was Reprimanded by the Mods.. Received infractions that I used religious comments on a political topic.. I did Not reply on that thread again

And Why would i Become a Type of Person of ACTION when we are in a Forum

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see ............. blinded by religion again hahahahahaha.


religion is the SOLE root of all evil in the world.

the egoistic christians with their CRUSADE.

Hitler killing the Jews ....

and now, the radical muslims spreading death across the globe .......

yeah, religion is the best hahahahhaha

This is the Type of Comment from a person who knows nothing of his Belief.
How can you have an Absolute Definition of Evil if you dont believe that their is an Absolute God.

Theres No Evil if theres No God, because you cannot have an absolute Basis what is right and what is Wrong,
In the context of Atheism, Morality is relative not absolute. So when you say EVIL its relative on what you yourself believe what is right and what is wrong. When its relative, Not all people agree with you even your fellow Atheist.

But I Guess its just Too Complicated for you to understand.

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sad there are people who use Christianity to bring a name for themselves.

And Atheist will used it as if they found a way to make All Theist abandon their belief.

[RayGunz]

All claims of being saved here and there, as long as nothing is proven in real time, all beliefs is an equivalent to a wet sh!t, and so is their argument.

Believers are so influenced by their God and empty promises of the scriptures , a dream they refuses to wake up even if it becomes a real time nightmare.

Since some faith defenders here had accumulated knowledge in their life, will you tell us exactly how to measure and quantify that
Faith , works or both can save? Whats the procedure then?

[heartthr0b]

even your pope does not believe in heaven

[luci_morningstar]

again, stupid argument using "Theres No Evil if theres No God, because you cannot have an absolute Basis what is right and what is Wrong,".

it only needs common sense to differentiate the good from the bad.

"common sense" -- most religious people don't have that.

Common sense?

Another clueless Atheist..

Common Sense is Based from a certain world view. Common sense is Not Absolute - it is INFLUENCED by the morality the people followed.

For some Head Hunters Tribes in Amazon it is common sense to Kill enemy and decapitating their heads...
Some ancient tribes practiced killing others to eliminate competitions because they believed its common sense..
Some tribes believed in Marrying Multiple wives from other tribes to unify them because they think its common sense..
We believed that Killing is Evil because we think its common sense.

They are all Opposite and different Laws accepted by different types of people and tribes, and ALL of them believed that it is COMMON Sense based on their world view.

So you talk about EVIL which is Based on the Morality believed by our current Laws, laws that can be traced and originated from civilizations that believed in a SUPREME Being.- WHICH you try to Disprove.

So basically, you are the one PROVING Your Ignorance.

[RayGunz]

Common sense?

Another clueless Atheist..

Common Sense is Based from a certain world view. Common sense is Not Absolute - it is INFLUENCED by the morality the people followed.

For some Head Hunters Tribes in Amazon it is common sense to Kill enemy and decapitating their heads...
Some ancient tribes practiced killing others to eliminate competitions because they believed its common sense..
Some tribes believed in Marrying Multiple wives from other tribes to unify them because they think its common sense..
We believed that Killing is Evil because we think its common sense.

They are all Opposite and different Laws accepted by different types of people and tribes, and ALL of them believed that it is COMMON Sense based on their world view.

So you talk about EVIL which is Based on the Morality believed by our current Laws, laws that can be traced and originated from civilizations that believed in a SUPREME Being.- WHICH you try to Disprove.

So basically, you are the one PROVING Your Ignorance.

What they are doing is a strategy applied to action with the purpose of removing any competitor for survival, territory, and power...

Much like what humans are doing now...... only you are defining such acts as common sense...
Are you releasing your own dictionary with your own definition?

So, in the equation of faith+ works = saved , will you quantify how much is needed to achieve such much of outcome in a real world and in real time?

Or shall we just conclude to remain it as eternal words of lie?

[luff101]

James 2:14-26

[luci_morningstar]

All claims of being saved here and there, as long as nothing is proven in real time, all beliefs is an equivalent to a wet sh!t, and so is their argument.

How can we gave you Real Time proof about salvation WHEN its Not what we believed in? When did Christian told you that salvation can be Observed in Real Time?

Another Clueless Atheist

Believers are so influenced by their God and empty promises of the scriptures , a dream they refuses to wake up even if it becomes a real time nightmare.

You Lived in a Society that was Formed from the Belief of God. You lived because of the Morality of People who believed in God. You came onto this world because of your ancestors believed in a Supreme Being. Look around you, all aspect of your environment exists or was formed because of people that believed in God.

And all your INTELLIGENCE could come up is that "Believers are so influenced by their God" and you are Not?

Since some faith defenders here had accumulated knowledge in their life, will you tell us exactly how to measure and quantify that
Faith , works or both can save? Whats the procedure then?

Procedure? believed in God first..
Cant teach someone who don't even believe God Exist...

[luci_morningstar]

What they are doing is a strategy applied to action with the purpose of removing any competitor for survival, territory, and power...
Much like what humans are doing now...... only you are defining such acts as common sense...
Are you releasing your own dictionary with your own definition?

Obviously my Friend, you DONT KNOW what Common sense is..

From the word Sense, meaning its Your Common sense, coming from your Sintido common which is..

Wait for It... - YOUR BRAIN.

Strategy or plan or action came from your brain, You do it because its the Common Solution on a particular Problem, Therefore its Common Sense...

So you Mean to say Strategy is Not a Common Sense?

Common Sense if you still cant comprehend is based from a State of Mind that will be used to Judge or identify or basis of a particular Belief or world view. Its Relative Not Absolute.

So, in the equation of faith+ works = saved , will you quantify how much is needed to achieve such much of outcome in a real world and in real time?

Or shall we just conclude to remain it as eternal words of lie?

You ask the RC people on that, i dont particularly believed that formula.
I am a "Faith --> Good works = Salvation" type of guy

[luci_morningstar]

do you really need a BOOK to tell you that it's wrong to rape someone ?? or it's wrong to kill someone ?? or it's wrong to take an object that isn't yours


funny how you try to act "intelligent"


and thanks for using the word ignorance --- it's ignorance that created your god

We need An Absolute God to tell Us its Not to Kill, The Book is Inspired by God.
We need a Absolute God to gave us Absolute LAW not to Kill, so that all people will believed and follow that.

And may i ask whats the basis for Atheist to say Killing is Not Okay? is it science?
Don't use that COMMON SENSE argument because you will be in an Argument Deep hole if you use that.

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James 2:14-26

The verse tells us on how to test someone who claims to have faith. Its a teaching to be use by an ordinary person like us to check weather someone has faith or Not based on his works. This verse however does not tell us the Requirements of salvation IMHO