Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[tsunade]

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"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them"

If you refer to the Bible knowledge alone it cannot save you even being religious (having a form of Godliness but denying the power there off)

It might be better if you re phrase your question because its not constructed properly? You can give examples for clarification.

Faith alone? NO!

1 Cor 13:13 "And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."

Faith is the greatest? NO!

Mt 19:16-17 "Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good (which is Jesus and Father in Heaven). If you want to enter life, obey the commandments (which is by works)."

Faith alone? I don't think so!

Mt 7:21 ""Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will(which is thru works) of my Father who is in heaven."

So my answer to the thread starter is NO, big "NO"
btw Im a Catholic.

[Kenshiro]

my question is fine.

I will ask again ... apart from the bible do you have any other basis to your claim that salvation is by faith?

Its my third time to ask this and I am beginning to think that you are evading the question.


Do you find the question hard? simple ra man kaayo na.

matubag ra man gani na og yes or no.

Kay kung muingon ka ana bai would it mean other religions naa bay salvation? or apart bible knowledge alone?
Your question is not specific. is it apart from the bible or apart from works? Kay if you refer to apart from the bible would it mean there are other books other than the bible?
I have answered your questions but you need to be specific? How can I answer it if its not clear?

[Kenshiro]

liko diri. liko didto.


klaruhon na ko ha.


nag mention ka na naay guide - ang inyong bible. naa diha tanan guide para maluwas mo.

simple ra kau ni na question :: coz ikaw man gud mismo grabi maka preach ani na thread. unsa imong gibuhat karon na maka assure ka na ma save ka. imong tubag ana kay ang ginoo ra daw ninyo ang mo decide ..... sakto ka ... pero same ra gud na sa manguyab ka or naa kay job interview, na you have to prepare yourself para makapasar ka or sugton ka ...

balikon na sad nako ang question - unsa imong gibuhat karon para ma assure imong salvation ??


or basin maka kanta ta ani ug WORDS - BEE GEES.

Im sorry I have answered the question. It seems to be you are evading the requirements of salvation.

The most fundamental foundation for your salvation is believing in Gods Love through his son "whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

[Kenshiro]

Faith alone? NO!

1 Cor 13:13 "And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."

Faith is the greatest? NO!

Mt 19:16-17 "Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good (which is Jesus and Father in Heaven). If you want to enter life, obey the commandments (which is by works)."

Faith alone? I don't think so!

Mt 7:21 ""Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will(which is thru works) of my Father who is in heaven."

So my answer to the thread starter is NO, big "NO"
btw Im a Catholic.

I have to agree with you since "Faith without works is dead."
We were talking about works apart from faith.

"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
good works out of our being creating in Jesus Christ means these obviously are works in faith.

Let me add
when you say "faith, hope and love" yes love is the greatest but without faith it is impossible to please God.

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
Heb 11:6

They are all integral part of our mindset and perspective. They are all very important "faith, hope and love" they fill our life with purpose and fullfillment rather than live to die mindset.

So my answer to the thread starter is NO, big "NO"
btw Im a Catholic.

just be careful sis that you don't substitute Gods laws with man made traditions. Like graven images that alone breaks the 2nd commandment.

[Kenshiro]

wala nimo makuha gyud akong question :::


kasabot ko ana imong mga requirements sa inyong salvation pero akong question is --- ikaw mismo. unsa imong gibuhat.

As I mentioned works are totally irrelevant.
Its not about what I do and what you do that gives us merit or what not.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

Believeth in him it is a state of mind, a perspective, and outlook of life our belief in Jesus Christ that produces abundant good works. You misunderstood the biblical principles that doing good works as a means to salvation.
It is more than good works it is a state of mind, its a perspective it is our faith and belief in Christ by these goods works overflows.

Do not look at what I do or make my works as the standard look at the Bible you will find the answer.
If I do not follow the Bible then correct me so I can reflect on my slackness.

Mathew 19:16-30
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

[<SMILE>]

Faith alone already requires actions.

[Archon]

my question is fine.

I will ask again ... apart from the bible do you have any other basis to your claim that salvation is by faith?

Its my third time to ask this and I am beginning to think that you are evading the question.


Do you find the question hard? simple ra man kaayo na.

matubag ra man gani na og yes or no.

Kay kung muingon ka ana bai would it mean other religions naa bay salvation? or apart bible knowledge alone?
Your question is not specific. is it apart from the bible or apart from works? Kay if you refer to apart from the bible would it mean there are other books other than the bible?
I have answered your questions but you need to be specific? How can I answer it if its not clear?

bai ikaw ra ang galibog sa imong self.


now its my fourth time to ask this question... apart from the bible do you have any other basis to your claim that salvation is by faith?

yes or no then support your answer, simple ra di ba.

[Archon]

my question is fine.

I will ask again ... apart from the bible do you have any other basis to your claim that salvation is by faith?

Its my third time to ask this and I am beginning to think that you are evading the question.


Do you find the question hard? simple ra man kaayo na.

matubag ra man gani na og yes or no.

As I mentioned works are totally irrelevant.
Its not about what I do and what you do that gives us merit or what not.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

Believeth in him it is a state of mind, a perspective, and outlook of life our belief in Jesus Christ that produces abundant good works. You misunderstood the biblical principles that doing good works as a means to salvation.
It is more than good works it is a state of mind, its a perspective it is our faith and belief in Christ by these goods works overflows.

James 2:24 - You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

now you have a problem.

[tsunade]

just be careful sis that you don't substitute Gods laws with man made traditions. Like graven images that alone breaks the first commandment.

All the teachings of the apostles are "traditional" teachings, not "written"—"Traditional" in the radical (root) sense of the term, from the Latin "tradere," to hand over (not "down" as so many have it—nor does the idea of "trade," also derived from that verb, enter into it implying some exchange of one sort or another), simply the passing along from one to another. The Bible is the written portion of Tradition, as is amply evidenced by John himself at the very end of his Gospel, where he says that "many other things did Jesus do and say, so many, I think, that if they were all written down the world itself would not be large enough to hold the books that would have to be written to hold them." Even taken in their most gentle sense, those words inescapably mean that in no way can the Bible be taken as the complete record of everything Jesus did, said, or taught.

Most of the beliefs and practices that Fundamentalists condemn among Catholics are rooted in Sacred Tradition, the unwritten portion; though I also must make certain that it is understood that no Tradition, however longstanding, may contradict Scripture.

Revelation is of a piece; it is not a patchwork quilt, from which we pick and choose those things that please us or which may threaten us less. Salvation and revelation are a package deal—they go together, and we accept all or none.

bye2x for now

[Kenshiro]

bai ikaw ra ang galibog sa imong self.


now its my fourth time to ask this question... apart from the bible do you have any other basis to your claim that salvation is by faith?

yes or no then support your answer, simple ra di ba.

Imong question sayop na daan, apart from the Bible which is a book do I have any basis to my claim that salvation is by faith? which is religion?

So which is it? is it apart from a book or apart from religion? because these are two different things. which you make it as the same thing which doesn't make sense.