Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[Kenshiro]

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The evil servant says in his heart, “My lord delayeth his coming.” He does not say that Christ will not come. He does not scoff at the idea of His second coming. But in his heart and by his actions and words he declares that the Lord’s coming is delayed. He banishes from the minds of others the conviction that the Lord is coming quickly. His influence leads men to presumptuous, careless delay. They are confirmed in their worldliness and stupor. Earthly passions, corrupt thoughts, take possession of the mind. The evil servant eats and drinks with the drunken, unites with the world in pleasure seeking. He smites his fellow servants, accusing and condemning those who are faithful to their Master. He mingles with the world. Like grows with like in transgression. It is a fearful assimilation. With the world he is taken in the snare. “The lord of that servant shall come ... in an hour that he is not aware of, and shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites.” DA 635.1
“If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.” Revelation 3:3

ohh boy, ohh boy... i'm sooo scared...

So, who its gonna be saving us?

A.) Faith
B.) God
C.) Superman
D.) None of the above

Its not too late Christ invites all of us.

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; Heb 2:3

[RayGunz]

The evil servant says in his heart, “My lord delayeth his coming.” He does not say that Christ will not come. He does not scoff at the idea of His second coming. But in his heart and by his actions and words he declares that the Lord’s coming is delayed. He banishes from the minds of others the conviction that the Lord is coming quickly. His influence leads men to presumptuous, careless delay. They are confirmed in their worldliness and stupor. Earthly passions, corrupt thoughts, take possession of the mind. The evil servant eats and drinks with the drunken, unites with the world in pleasure seeking. He smites his fellow servants, accusing and condemning those who are faithful to their Master. He mingles with the world. Like grows with like in transgression. It is a fearful assimilation. With the world he is taken in the snare. “The lord of that servant shall come ... in an hour that he is not aware of, and shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites.” DA 635.1
“If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.” Revelation 3:3



Its not too late Christ invites all of us.

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; Heb 2:3

Indeed, it is not too late because it is good as NEVER.

For over a thousand years, you people have been clinging to the same rhyme " Salvation by this, salvation by that".
Giving false hopes to humanity in all the time and in all around the globe.

over a thousand years have passed and time was never on your side as promises unfolded to remain as a promise.

Allow me to describe you people as even worse than a corrupted storage drive. Humanity have made gigantic leap forward and your preference of salvation is the old book in shelf? Awesome, what a choice indeed! and what a waste!

[Dorothea]

who the heck cares...no one

[Kenshiro]

Indeed, it is not too late because it is good as NEVER.

For over a thousand years, you people have been clinging to the same rhyme " Salvation by this, salvation by that".
Giving false hopes to humanity in all the time and in all around the globe.

over a thousand years have passed and time was never on your side as promises unfolded to remain as a promise.

Allow me to describe you people as even worse than a corrupted storage drive. Humanity have made gigantic leap forward and your preference of salvation is the old book in shelf? Awesome, what a choice indeed! and what a waste!

How ironic this was how people assured themselves with these delusions in the days of Noah.

The world, full of rioting, full of godless pleasure, is asleep, asleep in carnal security. Men are putting afar off the coming of the Lord. They laugh at warnings. The proud boast is made, “All things continue as they were from the beginning.” “Tomorrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.” 2 Peter 3:4; Isaiah 56:12. We will go deeper into pleasure loving. But Christ says, “Behold, I come as a thief.” Revelation 16:15. At the very time when the world is asking in scorn, “Where is the promise of His coming?” the signs are fulfilling. While they cry, “Peace and safety,” sudden destruction is coming. When the scorner, the rejecter of truth, has become presumptuous; when the routine of work in the various money-making lines is carried on without regard to principle; when the student is eagerly seeking knowledge of everything but his Bible, Christ comes as a thief. DA 635.3
Everything in the world is in agitation. The signs of the times are ominous. Coming events cast their shadows before. The Spirit of God is withdrawing from the earth, and calamity follows calamity by sea and by land. There are tempests, earthquakes, fires, floods, murders of every grade. Who can read the future? Where is security? There is assurance in nothing that is human or earthly. Rapidly are men ranging themselves under the banner they have chosen. Restlessly are they waiting and watching the movements of their leaders. There are those who are waiting and watching and working for our Lord’s appearing. Another class are falling into line under the generalship of the first great apostate. Few believe with heart and soul that we have a hell to shun and a heaven to win. DA 636.1
The crisis is stealing gradually upon us. The sun shines in the heavens, passing over its usual round, and the heavens still declare the glory of God. Men are still eating and drinking, planting and building, marrying, and giving in marriage. Merchants are still buying and selling. Men are jostling one against another, contending for the highest place. Pleasure lovers are still crowding to theaters, horse races, gambling hells. The highest excitement prevails, yet probation’s hour is fast closing, and every case is about to be eternally decided. Satan sees that his time is short. He has set all his agencies at work that men may be deceived, deluded, occupied and entranced, until the day of probation shall be ended, and the door of mercy be forever shut. DA 636.2
Solemnly there come to us down through the centuries the warning words of our Lord from the Mount of Olives: “Take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.” “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” DA 636.3

Gigantic leap foreward to what? Bigger screen tvs? Better video games? More more convenient porn? Better and sweeter junk food? Healthcare industry?
All the advancement of humanity is following the principles of Godliness and the Bible.

[RayGunz]

How ironic this was how people assured themselves with these delusions in the days of Noah.



Gigantic leap foreward to what? Bigger screen tvs? Better video games? More more convenient porn? Better and sweeter junk food? Healthcare industry?
All the advancement of humanity is following the principles of Godliness and the Bible.

The Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers by God. It has nothing to do with God. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century.

So, with all your "quotes" from the book, how does the promised salvation fits into this? When the first Christian Bible was commissioned, paid for, inspected and approved by a pagan emperor for church use.

And to cite you a single example of gigantic leap, that is ELECTRICITY (dc/ac) - this even surpasses the need of salt/sugar in the kitchen. and please describe it to yourself how was electricity so useful in a hospital facility in medicating, curing, comforting millions/billions of lives.

and please tell me which part in the bible that mentioned the word "electricity".

[NapoleonBlownapart]

The Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers by God. It has nothing to do with God. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century.

So, with all your "quotes" from the book, how does the promised salvation fits into this? When the first Christian Bible was commissioned, paid for, inspected and approved by a pagan emperor for church use.

One thing must be emphatically stated. The New Testament books did not become authoritative for the Church because they were formally included in a canonical list; on the contrary, the Church included them in her canon because she already regarded them as divinely inspired, recognizing their innate worth and generally apostolic authority, direct or indirect. The first ecclesiastical councils to classify the canonical books were both held in North Africa-at Hippo Regius in 393 and at Carthage in 397-but what these councils did was not to impose something new upon the Christian communities but to codify what was already the general practice of these communities (F. F. Bruce, The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?, Grand Rapids, Eerdmans, 1960, p. 27).

[Kenshiro]

The Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers by God. It has nothing to do with God. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century.

So, with all your "quotes" from the book, how does the promised salvation fits into this? When the first Christian Bible was commissioned, paid for, inspected and approved by a pagan emperor for church use.

And to cite you a single example of gigantic leap, that is ELECTRICITY (dc/ac) - this even surpasses the need of salt/sugar in the kitchen. and please describe it to yourself how was electricity so useful in a hospital facility in medicating, curing, comforting millions/billions of lives.

and please tell me which part in the bible that mentioned the word "electricity".

You statment against the bible is horribly vague. Where do these stenographers got these text? And what are the sources of these books they voted? Its not so hard to think how the bible was complied since ancient manuscripts still existed. You can somewhat neither disprove or prove the bible by its source because there are fakes like the Gnostic and aprocryphal books but you can have a better unerstanding in proving or disproving it by its context its teachings, contradictions if any, applicability, harmony, integrity, another aspect would be prophecy and authority even practicality.

Milking patients with huge amounts of money. You don't have any idea how corrupt the health care industry really is.
As it was in the beggining we can live in an edenic state.
Tell me what part of your body that you plug your charger.

[RayGunz]

You statment against the bible is horribly vague. Where do these stenographers got these text? And what are the sources of these books they voted? Its not so hard to think how the bible was complied since ancient manuscripts still existed. You can somewhat neither disprove or prove the bible by its source because there are fakes like the Gnostic and aprocryphal books but you can have a better unerstanding in proving or disproving it by its context its teachings, contradictions if any, applicability, harmony, integrity, another aspect would be prophecy and authority even practicality.

My statement against your book stands still, and the statements in your book is no less than an intricate conspiracy of promises and lies, with the goal to protect the organizations interest as corrupt as time. Are not such religious groups the one milking the constituents by giving false hopes and promises of salvation that NEVER came for over a thousand years?

"Milking patients with huge amounts of money. You don't have any idea how corrupt the health care industry really is. "
Corrupt it may be, but was this the same facility that saved million-fold lives than the book in the shelf?

"As it was in the beggining we can live in an edenic state."
Live in paradise? Like it was during the story of Adam/Eve?
I presume that your "We" stands for no less than 50% of the 7 billion people in the world.
Now, get real and take a look around and think again if "we" can live in edenic state.
What were you smoking btw?

"Tell me what part of your body that you plug your charger."
This is just a few years away, prototypes had been made, and requires further adjustments. Don't worry you will enjoy this in your lifetime.
@http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2848868/Mobile-phones-charge-batteries-pocket-using-body-heat.html

Now, allow me to ask you again the same question, tell me which part in the bible that mentioned "Electricity".
I choose electricity as it is one of mankind's invention that is tool in improving life or even an accessory in saving countless lives.
So, please answer it, not with another question, but an answer that comes from your heart/mind.

[Kenshiro]

My statement against your book stands still, and the statements in your book is no less than an intricate conspiracy of promises and lies, with the goal to protect the organizations interest as corrupt as time. Are not such religious groups the one milking the constituents by giving false hopes and promises of salvation that NEVER came for over a thousand years?

"Milking patients with huge amounts of money. You don't have any idea how corrupt the health care industry really is. "
Corrupt it may be, but was this the same facility that saved million-fold lives than the book in the shelf?

"As it was in the beggining we can live in an edenic state."
Live in paradise? Like it was during the story of Adam/Eve?
I presume that your "We" stands for no less than 50% of the 7 billion people in the world.
Now, get real and take a look around and think again if "we" can live in edenic state.
What were you smoking btw?

"Tell me what part of your body that you plug your charger."
This is just a few years away, prototypes had been made, and requires further adjustments. Don't worry you will enjoy this in your lifetime.
@http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2848868/Mobile-phones-charge-batteries-pocket-using-body-heat.html

Now, allow me to ask you again the same question, tell me which part in the bible that mentioned "Electricity".
I choose electricity as it is one of mankind's invention that is tool in improving life or even an accessory in saving countless lives.
So, please answer it, not with another question, but an answer that comes from your heart/mind.

No one has lost his fortune in church tithes while the medical industry you lost your life plus all your money in treatment. The medical industry is heavily invested but people are incredibly sick.

You presume atheist outnumber christianity? Probably outspoken.
Did you know people can live self sufficienlty in ancient times?
And People live longer. While today children gets all kinds of disease like diabetes, cancer and autism and more. They aint you utopian health society but exactly the opposite.

In the bible I knew that there were no electricity can you tell me a verse where people died without electricity? I know we live in a modern society we can adopt modern lifestyle but it is not necessary. Take for example the Waldenses. If you live in a Godless society even if its modern you are looking at a self implosion like the french revolution.

Take a look around you we have held up as a society because we have followed Godly and biblical priciples if not there would be anarchy like stealing, and murder. The more we adhere to these Biblical principles the more we live happily. Humanism may claim these Godly principles as theirs and totally deny God but they will end but as being superficial and corrupted to the core like false religion.

It would be unproductive and futile if we blatantly impose our beliefs to each other, if one doesnt have an open heart its totally futile so I leave you in your own belief as you may it be.

[luci_morningstar]

wow.. your very own definition of imagination...

you better read and learn from a book called "dictionary"

I did

Imagination
noun
1. the faculty of imagining, or of forming mental images or concepts of what is not actually present to the senses.
2. the action or process of forming such images or concepts.
3. the faculty of producing ideal creations consistent with reality, as in literature, as distinct from the power of creating illustrative or decorative imagery.
4. the product of imagining; a conception or mental creation, often a baseless or fanciful one.
etc
etc.


NOWHERE in the dictionary mentioned about the Limitation of Imagination. However, there are countless source stating the Limitation of our imagination since IT IS DEPENDENT on a Lot of limited Factors.

NICE TRY thou..