Captain America: Civil War

[Blackbeard]

I understand that it is a movie. I am talking about how they stood with their ideologies. It drew inspiration from an art which highlighted a battle of ideologies. Again, my impressions of the movie is about how they stood for their ideologies. Ideologies is what specify a war as a Civil war.

I think you're struggling to separate it from the comics to be honest. or are you being general about civil wars should always be about MUH IDEOLOGIES? that doesn't seem to offer much room for anything else if it's just limited to that from a storytelling standpoint.

And at first, you mentioned the " real Civil War was Tony's rage and thirst for vengeance versus Cap wanting to protect Bucky from Tony's wrath" and now it has changed to "-Tony wants to incarcerate Bucky for bombing Vienna -Cap wants to give him a second chance and help him prove his innocence".

you're just confused, so I'll say it again.

Definition of civil war
: a war between groups of people in the same country

by that definition, they did have a real civil war since they were having an armed conflict against each other, contrary to what you're saying that it's not a real civil war because of muh missing ideologies or whatever. but as far as the film is concerned, Tony's revenge and Cap fighting for his friend is the film's actual Civil War.

Also, Tony wanted to "bring him in" to be judged, hence he was provided a lawyer (the villain) to defend him yet chained down since he resisted. Capt was there observing the whole time and they haven't imprisoned Bucky since he hasn't gone through due process.

we know this.

I don't think your complaint of "civil wars should always be about muh ideologies" isn't really valid because it didn't affect the quality of the movie. and I think it's incorrect too since Captain America did stand by his ideologies of Freedom and Liberty. he was against the Accords, and he helped Bucky after Zelmut revealed his hand to him. Tony Stark was more driven by guilt, but he nevertheless still believes that the Accords were the right thing to do, that they must submit to a higher authority for the good of all.

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I think you're struggling to separate it from the comics to be honest. or are you being general about civil wars should always be about MUH IDEOLOGIES? that doesn't seem to offer much room for anything else if it's just limited to that from a storytelling standpoint.


you're just confused, so I'll say it again.

Definition of civil war
: a war between groups of people in the same country

by that definition, they did have a real civil war since they were having an armed conflict against each other, contrary to what you're saying that it's not a real civil war because of muh missing ideologies or whatever. but as far as the film is concerned, Tony's revenge and Cap fighting for his friend is the film's actual Civil War.


we know this.

I don't think your complaint of "civil wars should always be about muh ideologies" isn't really valid because it didn't affect the quality of the movie. and I think it's incorrect too since Captain America did stand by his ideologies of Freedom and Liberty. he was against the Accords, and he helped Bucky after Zelmut revealed his hand to him. Tony Stark was more driven by guilt, but he nevertheless still believes that the Accords were the right thing to do, that they must submit to a higher authority for the good of all.

Again, it is a battle between ideologies. You are mixing up your arguments. You say that the "real civil war" was ""Tony's revenge and Cap fighting for his friend is the film's actual Civil War" and then "Tony Stark was more driven by guilt, but he nevertheless still believes that the Accords were the right thing to do, that they must submit to a higher authority for the good of all."... That itself is contradicting since "submit to a higher authority" doesn't exactly translate to "revenge" even if Tony believes that yet went off on his own without the knowledge of the "higher authority". If you say that "revenge" was the real Civil War then that is invalid since it was only Tony who realized it and not his team and Tony isn't really a "group" and he waged a "war" against Capt. If you say that he believe they need to "submit to a higher authority" then he wouldn't extract revenge by himself nor go off on his own.

Saying that sticking to fighting for ideologies doesn't offer much room for storytelling is not true. The fact that the comic's Civil War series proves that simply fighting for ideologies can be interesting. If movie-verse-wise, The Patriot, Braveheart are one among the many movies about ideologies that are interesting. They were movies that have a little in between yet have their main drive as ideologies.

[2nderemperror]

ga civil war na diay ni dnhi?

..owwwkay?? :3

[erwin_rommel]

I love the movie! Plus a cougar aunt may! ^_^

[geo25]

[Weaklegs]

wooohh... very nice movie... can't wait for Avengers: Infinity War

[euan]

[gracie7]

Done watching it a few days ago. Nice pud

[geo25]

[porbidaman]

batia wa man si hulk...