Bongbong Marcos to run as President

[yhokz101]

Dili kinahanglan e research Bro.. Kay nakaanha ko sa Singapore... Wla may kalainan ang Freedom sa Media ug mga Social media sa Sg ug Ph unlike sa China

truly wa jd nimo ka sweto ang singapore.. mao pataka raka ug sulti.

.... Kanang Bias imong makita gkan na sa mga haoshao na site.. Prehas ana youtube, edited na.. Kani Bro ahh gikan nimo, dli sad ni Bias marcos era

Toyok mode? Dugay ka let go and dugay ka sabot? Pa explain ni bro @PhakSheet kay naka gets man to cya.. lisoda pangutok.

Mura ra gud na ug Manila ug Cebu compare sa Davao... Prehas ra man ug balaod tanan... Wala may Martial Law..

Unsay pangutok hahaaha.. manila cebu davao are on the same country. Hahaha! Lagpas jd ka maksi bale balehon.

[PhakSheet]

Root cause of the problem is the same as what happened to any other similar events. Regardless of being an infamous incident or not, it did happen not to mentioned many attempts of coup d etat and the rise of communist insurgency in our country during Cory's time, plus JOMA was released so there was that.

Just read my comments about Joma in my reply to rickflag...

Yes considering he was a balimbing and sided to the yellow, he can still comment or give statement like that. Must be some truth on it. Retreiving data is mere impossible for comparison. We'll just leave it here, just do what you think is right it really doesnt matter anyway, comaprison is irrelevant considering surging of elect bills nowadays is skyhigh and that's our common problem.

JPE did not really sided with the yellow. It just happened that they had a common enemy. He rebelled against Marcos for personal reasons (because his clout was already taken over by Ver) and not because he wanted Cory to take the reign. He wants to retain his influence to gain more money. And he was brilliant at that. Unfortunately, his wrongdoings had just been caught recently.

Anyway, this particular argument started when you said that the cost of electricity before was lower than the current. Thus I was asking for your basis. Quoting other person to prove your point is a not good idea. It's like saying "It's lower before because JPE said". You are more than that bro...

As a clarification, I was not opposing that the electricity before was cheaper that today. I just did not like the way you presented your argument wherein you made a conclusion without looking at the data first.

You have a point, but the point here is that the NUtriBun program happened during that time. It ease the people and esp childrens hunger in some way. Regardess of where that came from or an AID from aother country, let's settle to appreciate it did happen during those time. It has a positive impact and most importantly it did helped. Need to give credits to both of course, AID is just an AID but without proper distribution and program it wont be an effective initiative. Don't you agree?

I agree with you with regards to the distribution but I still won't give Marcos credit for that.

The rate of an accomplishment by any individual or any body is rated by what impact it generates from previous generations up to now whether in infrastructure, economic programs, etc. Did we continue to enjoy the benefits and outcome? There are lots to consider, but then those whole era of marcos were not all praises. THere are ups and downs, like what Ive said many times. Debts accumulated due to heavry spending on infrastructures and everything, but way not properly planned when payment comes. This is not a rare case from any country, you can also see it happened to other country much more they declare bankruptcy.

"Impact", ah yes, impact...
So what was the impact of Marcos' presidency?
The most obvious impact was that, the succeeding presidents were burdened with the debt that he left that instead of spending a big part of the national budget for infrastructure projects, a huge part of it will instead be payed to the debt that he left.

The OFW big remittance fro OFW is certainly a factor on uplifting the economy, dont go be like Pnoy pls. Steady inflow of remittances enables the country to buy more foreign goods and services. This also means that it is now in a more comfortable position to service its external debt and other international obligations. With this comes the recognition that the nation’s finances have improved. Make no mistake to discredit OFW's remittance bro.

Ohhhh... what made me like Pnoy? I think it is you who is like Pnoy.
Why? Because like you, he was also considering the large OFW remittances as an accomplishment.
With a mind-set like that, we will forever be a servant to other countries.

Why not take a page from the success of South Korea?
They only temporarily exported manpower to gain enough funds to fuel their economy.
After that, recalled their brilliant persons from other countries to help build their country.
Don't you want a country like that?
You don't have to work in Singapore anymore just to give a bright future for your children.

[Apollo24]

truly wa jd nimo ka sweto ang singapore.. mao pataka raka ug sulti.

ayay murag ikaw ra man nakaanha ug Singapore... Stick to the Topic... Unsa may kalainan sa Media sa SG ug Ph? Freedom sa Mainstream Media ug Social Media

Toyok mode? Dugay ka let go and dugay ka sabot? Pa explain ni bro @PhakSheet kay naka gets man to cya.. lisoda pangutok.

sample lang na yhokz sa mga site dapat nimo sudlon.. Dili kay cge lang kag youtube.. Nganong allergic man kaayo ka anang Link gihatag nimo..

Unsay pangutok hahaaha.. manila cebu davao are on the same country. Hahaha! Lagpas jd ka maksi bale balehon.

Good yhokz kay nakuha nimo ang point na on the same Country ra.. Can you see the difference with regards sa Peace and Order?

[rickflag]

Dili kinahanglan e research Bro.. Kay nakaanha ko sa Singapore... Wla may kalainan ang Freedom sa Media ug mga Social media sa Sg ug Ph unlike sa China.... Kanang Bias imong makita gkan na sa mga haoshao na site.. Prehas ana youtube, edited na.. Kani Bro ahh gikan nimo, dli sad ni Bias marcos era

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Mura ra gud na ug Manila ug Cebu compare sa Davao... Prehas ra man ug balaod tanan... Wala may Martial Law..

Sa SG mas sanitized ang media nila. Wa pa ko kadungog ug ila media nanaway sa ila govt. Kung mga tao pod nila mag post sa social media ug anything against the govt or other races siguradong ma punish. Kung naay taga govt nga naay anomaliya sa ilaha, tangtang jud bisan si kinsa pa. Mao na mga tao didto hadlok jud sa ila balaod. Diri sus bisan simple jaywalking grave ka pasaway mga pinoy, unya pataka pag labay sa basura. Kana lang daan paila unsa ta ka walay disiplina.

[PhakSheet]

Sa SG mas sanitized ang media nila. Wa pa ko kadungog ug ila media nanaway sa ila govt. Kung mga tao pod nila mag post sa social media ug anything against the govt or other races siguradong ma punish. Kung naay taga govt nga naay anomaliya sa ilaha, tangtang jud bisan si kinsa pa. Mao na mga tao didto hadlok jud sa ila balaod. Diri sus bisan simple jaywalking grave ka pasaway mga pinoy, unya pataka pag labay sa basura. Kana lang daan paila unsa ta ka walay disiplina.

Nindot jud ang disiplinado nga country bro.
And dapat mag-gikan na sa mga leader.
Gibuhat na ni Marcos, sakto unta pero ang naka-sayop kay wa niya gi-apil ang iyang kaugalingon ug disiplina.
He did it for the wrong reason. To remain in power.
Nindot unta nga naay mobuhat ug pareha ato pero for the right reason.

[Apollo24]

Sa SG mas sanitized ang media nila. Wa pa ko kadungog ug ila media nanaway sa ila govt. Kung mga tao pod nila mag post sa social media ug anything against the govt or other races siguradong ma punish. Kung naay taga govt nga naay anomaliya sa ilaha, tangtang jud bisan si kinsa pa. Mao na mga tao didto hadlok jud sa ila balaod. Diri sus bisan simple jaywalking grave ka pasaway mga pinoy, unya pataka pag labay sa basura. Kana lang daan paila unsa ta ka walay disiplina.

Basin wala lang cguro ka basa2x ug news diha Bro? Corruption complaints and cases handled by CPIB fall to 30-year low, Courts & Crime News & Top Stories - The Straits Times. Number of corruption complaints in 2014, lowest in three decades: CPIB - Channel NewsAsia. Sakto jud ka Bro ang Pinoy mismo ang walay disiplina.. Ang kinahanglan karon si Duterte... Dli Marcos na kaugalingon ra ang gihuna-huna...

[Apollo24]

@ yhokz101 nakawork ka diha sa Sg tungod ni Lee Kwan Yew...... Pamalandongi ang gisulti ni Lee Kwan Yew, ayaw pa brainwash sa Propagandist ni Marcos aka Dee Mwon Yew...

The Singaporean leader also felt sorry for the Philippines' apparent brain drain.

"Something had gone seriously wrong. Millions of Filipino men and women had to leave their country for jobs abroad beneath their level of education. "
"Filipino professionals whom we recruited to work in Singapore are as good as our own. Indeed, their architects, artists, and musicians are more artistic and creative than ours. "
This is also how Lee described the Filipino people:

"It is a soft, forgiving culture. Only in the Philippines could a leader like Ferdinand Marcos, who pillaged his country for over 20 years, still be considered for a national burial. Insignificant amounts of the loot have been recovered, yet his wife and children were allowed to return and engage in politics. "
"Some Filipinos write and speak with passion. If they could get their elite to share their sentiments and act, what could they not have achieved? ". 15 things Lee Kuan Yew said about the Philippines | News Feature, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com

[yhokz101]

"Impact", ah yes, impact...
So what was the impact of Marcos' presidency?
The most obvious impact was that, the succeeding presidents were burdened with the debt that he left that instead of spending a big part of the national budget for infrastructure projects, a huge part of it will instead be payed to the debt that he left.

Debt, it is true. I was pointing out on having a debt then making solid, lasting and productive infrastructure. That is what Im talking, debt is on another side of story. The accomplishment with those was attained thru debt/loans otherwise it would be difficult to do so. It was on his time where significant improvement on roads and infrasctructure boomed.

Ohhhh... what made me like Pnoy? I think it is you who is like Pnoy.
Why? Because like you, he was also considering the large OFW remittances as an accomplishment.
With a mind-set like that, we will forever be a servant to other countries.

Why not take a page from the success of South Korea?
They only temporarily exported manpower to gain enough funds to fuel their economy.
After that, recalled their brilliant persons from other countries to help build their country.
Don't you want a country like that?
You don't have to work in Singapore anymore just to give a bright future for your children.

Wala man cguro ka naka kita sa every SONA ni Panot, he never did factor in OFW remittances sa usa ka factor sa pag uplift sa economy, he never did acknowledege those OFW in any way. He did say that it is their decision to go abroad while there are lots of work in the Philippines. True enough daghan work, pero dli man na ang issue.. ang pa sweldo + tax man. WIth a mindset like that forever servant sa other countries? Sayup ka sa imong concept, we work abroad to provide for our families and not to be as servant, and do you ever think this is forever?

South Korea, we've been doing this for a long time like korea. Wonder walay mo balik sa Pilipinas or rather walay ganahan mo work? I think you know Phils has the highest tax, poor govt services, corruption is rampant, security and instability sa job and salary is barely meeting the ends by the cost of living (don't get me wrong, i love my country, it's the people who are running it that I'm not in agreement with). Who would like to venture in a place like that if they have a much better option? Unless the system has been changed and leader are really for the people, Im sorry, Philippines will remain the same. I can work abroad temprarily to provide enough then move somewhere where we see suitable for our children to have better life, who knows that place is Philippines someday. If you ask me Im still not losing hope.

Back to topic na ta brad..

[yhokz101]

ayay murag ikaw ra man nakaanha ug Singapore... Stick to the Topic... Unsa may kalainan sa Media sa SG ug Ph? Freedom sa Mainstream Media ug Social Media

one word about Singapore media - MediaCorp, now search who owns it.

Then after you read about it, think of the mainstream media in the Philippines, now ask other people if you are tired to search on who owns it.

sample lang na yhokz sa mga site dapat nimo sudlon.. Dili kay cge lang kag youtube.. Nganong allergic man kaayo ka anang Link gihatag nimo..

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Sa gi ingon ko pa sa akong link, mas nakuha pa dayun ni @PhakSheet, those were bad and good things sa era ni marcos. I give it to you since you always label it as all black. Now if mag balik2x na pod ka ani nga punto, wa nkoy mahimo ug maka ingon nko nimo na hinay jd kaau ka mo sabot.

Good yhokz kay nakuha nimo ang point na on the same Country ra.. Can you see the difference with regards sa Peace and Order?

asa man nimo gi relate ni? Singapore vs Philippines? Kay nag hisgot baya ta sa media sa singapore philippines, ngau abot man man ka ani na punto? Asa man ang imong gi relate ani sa atong previous discussion tawn? Pataka naman lang jd kag yawit.. dili na matabang imong ka lagpas..

[kolz]

Personally, I find the hero status rather overrated in the Philippines. Ninoy was a figurehead for a revolution that seemed to promise true democracy, human rights, and freedom. Unfortunately, the Aquino legacy has been a disappointment. Hence the growing clamor...a yearning for the Marcos years. I understand that. But I'd like to temper the glorification in the other direction, which I think is made up of propaganda, hyperbole and myths.

People who are old enough will tell you, as they reminisce life under Marcos, that those were really good years. And I will agree as far as preference goes. I like the fact that population was a lot smaller, life much simpler, and people meet face to face to develop relationships, platonic or otherwise. I like the fact biking on the roads was a less dangerous activity and the air was cleaner...although Cebu suffered long (like 6-10 hours) and frequent brownouts (like almost everyday) in the 70s (I can attest to that, having still remembered VECO's old 5-digit telephone number because I kept missing episodes of Voltes V cartoons due to frequent brownouts). I like the music of the 60s and 70s and the early 80s. I like the games we played then. The fanatic passion over Crispa-Toyota rivalry is unmatched to this day. Going to the movies was a big thing. Are these the result of Marcos policies or are these the result of non-government-related factors (i.e. smaller population, simpler technologies)?

As for Sabah (currently a populated state), if you asked the people there: Would they choose to be part of the Philippines or Malaysia? Is it a settled issue? IF Sabah is really ours and the people there are begging to be part of the Philippines AND Ninoy indeed sold out on Sabah, then YES Ninoy would be a traitor. As you can see, the statement is a loaded one from which a series of questions needs to be unpacked and answered carefully.



Every single one of the candidates will tout their "ACHIEVEMENTS". It depends on how many of their claims actually relate to people personally as far as tangible impact on their lives is concerned.

Will BBM make our lives better? The million dollar question follows: HOW? Before any candidate gets my vote, they have to specifically spell out what they plan to do with taxes, education, bureaucracy, transparency/corruption, creating job opportunities, the rebellion/terrorism problem in Mindanao, etc.

As far as I'm concerened, every one of the candidates will come into their respective posts as neophytes. We have to learn not to put the cart before the horse and not glorify any one of them, but instead demand their platforms and agendas and how they will approach various issues...before we exchange that for our votes.

My concern (or fear) is that BBM will be a divisive figure, simply because of what he will inevitably do for his family's sake: i.e. Libingan ng mga Bayani, re-writing history, taking out EDSA from our list of holidays...and perhaps get the entire country to acknowledge that EDSA was a mistake. I can understand that. All I'm saying is that those things will not be accomplished without, to put it mildly, stiff opposition.

If BBM makes the ultimate sacrifice and say he will not pursue all those things, he gets my VOTE. At that point, I mean that act alone would speak volume about his grasp of national priorities and interests.

Couldn't have said it any better myself. In addition to what has been said, the ultimate sacrifice involves asking for FORGIVENESS, a necessary ingredient to heal the wounds and brokenness the country endured during his father's reign. Failing to do that is like putting salt into the open wound that wouldn't heal.