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    Quote Originally Posted by Vien View Post
    Kinsa tong makatubag aning akong pangutana dako kaayo ko ninyo ug Pasalamat kay ang mga pastor wala man makatubag sa akong pangutana kung ang INCEST BASTOS BA? OR DILI? KAY SA sa unang mga OLD Days sa panahon ni Adam and Eve ilang mga Anak ray nag unay ug minyoay aron kuno pagpadaghan sa kaliwatan.


    Ako Dili ug Dili nako madawat ang gisulat sa Biblia nga nga nag-unay ra diay ang managsoon aron mo daghan ang mga tawo, laliman ka INCEST unya dili bastos?


    Ayaw kog ingna nga sa Ka Bright sa Imong Creator wala jud siya kakita ug paagi nga dili mag binastos ang mga anak ni Adam ug Eve aron lang pag unay ug pakighilawas igsoon to igsoon aron mo daghan ang mga tawo? Pagka Gamay gud ug Utok sa imong nailhan nga Creator if Mao man gali ni ang Tinuod, so para nako naka hibalo man gani ko nga sayop ni ang Dios pa kaha?

    Mga Christians Sige Tingug namo ilabi na kadtong sigeg post ug mga Bible Verses Dinhi, diay akong pangutana tubaga ni palihug ninyo.

    Makaingon jud ko nga ang Bible is a Piece of Paper ra jud nga pwede sulatsulatan lang ug huna-huna nga mugna sa tawo....

    Again ang akong pangutana "Why the God in the Christian Bible indorsed INCEST" ? BAstos ba kini or Dili? sa akong nahibaw-an ang bastos karon ug kaniadto Bastos ra gihapon...
    curious lang ko noh, unsa diay imung relihiyon ug ang version ninyo sa creation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vien View Post
    you got the Point bro... It's Questionable jud 100% it's human made maau pang china made kay mapuslan pah ....
    some bible writers have weird fetishes if you know what i mean, and its a shame that we pray over it, that's crazy..

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabdans View Post
    na lisoda jud di ie pasabton ning mga bright sa simpling logic. ako na gani gipaubos maayo ang logic nga kanang masabtan nato...gi example na gani nako ang atong kaugalingong balaodnon...forgive then father Lols

    baliki na akong post na imong gi quote unya e analyze ang logic. basin makasabot ka with an open mind of understanding....bisaya raman na
    First, logic is NOT applicable to Religion. Where is the logic when someone walks in water? Where is the logic of turning water into wine? Where is the logic aning "ginoo ra bahala nako unya mag expect nga naay grasya maabot".

    Logic is bound by the laws of Science. I think kibaw sad siguro ka nga Science and Religion don't mix up. Same as sacred(churches) and secular(running a country) don't mix up.

    Like I said, there will be a time that these "holy" books CAN'T KEEP UP WITH TIME.

    Kay karon murag LASTIKO ang nahitabo - Mo decide ug something, Usbon ra diay gihapon. HUMAN NATURE. Dili binuhatan sa usa ka omniscient being.

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    (Leviticus 18:6-18 )
    Basa pud gamay.
    why incest is Sin? It has been proven today that it will cause genetic abmormalities.
    God is proven scientifically right in todays science in declaring this law.
    There must be a time in human history when this was permitted bacause human's dna and genes are not corrupted.
    during this time humans lived upto 700 years clearly our genes are not yet corrupted. If God would have allowed it there would be a good reason, its beacuse of the survival of the human population. Imagine if there just 15 people in the whole world how would you and i exist if they did not intermarry, humanity will be extinct due to no reproduction.
    In those days clearly intermarrying doesn't produce genetic defects if so we would all have genetic defects.
    What needs to be emphasized here is the distinction of timeline when human genes was least corrupted(closest to the creation of Adam and eve) to the point where it is severly corrupted by sin and rebellion to God (farthest from the original creation of Adam and Eve and constant influence of satan) that God who created us who knows us even when were not born yet who knows our every hair everything about us that because human is so corrupted by sin and cannot intermarry that God our creator strictly prohibts intermarrying (Leviticus 18:6-18 ).

    There is also other theories about naphilim or fallen angels intermarrying humans that produced further corruption of the human genes.
    Last edited by Kenshiro; 09-13-2015 at 09:14 PM.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Vien View Post
    Kinsa tong makatubag aning akong pangutana dako kaayo ko ninyo ug Pasalamat kay ang mga pastor wala man makatubag sa akong pangutana kung ang INCEST BASTOS BA? OR DILI? KAY SA sa unang mga OLD Days sa panahon ni Adam and Eve ilang mga Anak ray nag unay ug minyoay aron kuno pagpadaghan sa kaliwatan.


    Ako Dili ug Dili nako madawat ang gisulat sa Biblia nga nga nag-unay ra diay ang managsoon aron mo daghan ang mga tawo, laliman ka INCEST unya dili bastos?


    Ayaw kog ingna nga sa Ka Bright sa Imong Creator wala jud siya kakita ug paagi nga dili mag binastos ang mga anak ni Adam ug Eve aron lang pag unay ug pakighilawas igsoon to igsoon aron mo daghan ang mga tawo? Pagka Gamay gud ug Utok sa imong nailhan nga Creator if Mao man gali ni ang Tinuod, so para nako naka hibalo man gani ko nga sayop ni ang Dios pa kaha?

    Mga Christians Sige Tingug namo ilabi na kadtong sigeg post ug mga Bible Verses Dinhi, diay akong pangutana tubaga ni palihug ninyo.

    Makaingon jud ko nga ang Bible is a Piece of Paper ra jud nga pwede sulatsulatan lang ug huna-huna nga mugna sa tawo....

    Again ang akong pangutana "Why the God in the Christian Bible indorsed INCEST" ? BAstos ba kini or Dili? sa akong nahibaw-an ang bastos karon ug kaniadto Bastos ra gihapon...
    1. Why the God of the Christian bible indorsed incest.
    Answer:
    The God of the old Testament in the days of Adam up to the days of Moses allowed man to marry his sister, aunt, etc.
    ***So technically dli pa sin or bastos ang mu mnyu sa ila close relative at that tym because it was lawful and the term incest kay wala pa namugna.***



    But during the time of Moses, God changed the law and prohibited people to marry their close relatives (Leviticus 20). And at this time, kung kinsa man ang musuway ani na law kay sinner na siya and matawag na og incest and bastos ang mulapas ato na balaod.

    2. BAstos ba kini or Dili? sa akong nahibaw-an ang bastos karon ug kaniadto Bastos ra gihapon...

    - matawag na siya og incest and bastos sa karun og sa kaniadto pero hantod ra sa tym ni moses or up to the day nga gihatag sa ila ang bagong balaod bahin sa pagminyu "Leviticus 20".

    But if you go back in time, way back the time before the law in "Leviticus 20" was given, dili na siya bastos. Because It was lawful before.


    U cant call it a sin if it is allowed at that time. The mind of God is far superior from ours.

    Example you are a creator. Ga create kag 2 robots. Dn mamabdos ang girl na robot through hand shake. Then nagka anak silag boy nd girl.

    Then nag managsuon na boy og si girl. Dn namabdos si girl through hand shake. Now ikaw nga creator sa imo huna2x or moral, bastos ba ang hand shake?

    Point here is let us not compare our thoughts with the One who created us.



    :not an expert: just my thoughts.


    Btw,
    Here are some interesting facts/story (whatever u call it) "according to islam".


    Every time Eve got pregnant, kay kaloha iya prmi gpanganak boy nd girl. Exmple, si abel nd grl na twin, si cain nd grl na twin. And next kaloha npd (20-30+ twins nga boy nd girl)

    Now at that tym God the Creator gave a law nga dili pde mag minyu ang lalaki og babay sa same na delivery. And kung kinsay mulapas sa law kay sinner.

    But later on pg abot sa quran ge remind ug usab nga bawal na mag mnyu sa close relatives like sister, aunts, uncles, brothers.

    The facts/story in islam supports what the bible says about the changes of the laws in marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labtingaw View Post
    1. Why the God of the Christian bible indorsed incest.
    Answer:
    The God of the old Testament in the days of Adam up to the days of Moses allowed man to marry his sister, aunt, etc.
    ***So technically dli pa sin or bastos ang mu mnyu sa ila close relative at that tym because it was lawful and the term incest kay wala pa namugna.***



    But during the time of Moses, God changed the law and prohibited people to marry their close relatives (Leviticus 20). And at this time, kung kinsa man ang musuway ani na law kay sinner na siya and matawag na og incest and bastos ang mulapas ato na balaod.

    2. BAstos ba kini or Dili? sa akong nahibaw-an ang bastos karon ug kaniadto Bastos ra gihapon...

    - matawag na siya og incest and bastos sa karun og sa kaniadto pero hantod ra sa tym ni moses or up to the day nga gihatag sa ila ang bagong balaod bahin sa pagminyu "Leviticus 20".

    But if you go back in time, way back the time before the law in "Leviticus 20" was given, dili na siya bastos. Because It was lawful before.


    U cant call it a sin if it is allowed at that time. The mind of God is far superior from ours.

    Example you are a creator. Ga create kag 2 robots. Dn mamabdos ang girl na robot through hand shake. Then nagka anak silag boy nd girl.

    Then nag managsuon na boy og si girl. Dn namabdos si girl through hand shake. Now ikaw nga creator sa imo huna2x or moral, bastos ba ang hand shake?

    Point here is let us not compare our thoughts with the One who created us.



    :not an expert: just my thoughts.


    Btw,
    Here are some interesting facts/story (whatever u call it) "according to islam".


    Every time Eve got pregnant, kay kaloha iya prmi gpanganak boy nd girl. Exmple, si abel nd grl na twin, si cain nd grl na twin. And next kaloha npd (20-30+ twins nga boy nd girl)

    Now at that tym God the Creator gave a law nga dili pde mag minyu ang lalaki og babay sa same na delivery. And kung kinsay mulapas sa law kay sinner.

    But later on pg abot sa quran ge remind ug usab nga bawal na mag mnyu sa close relatives like sister, aunts, uncles, brothers.

    The facts/story in islam supports what the bible says about the changes of the laws in marriage.

    No common sense gihapon bro. Dili madala sa akong linghud nga pang hunahuna nga ang Creator nga Graveh ka Genius mag buhat ug usa ka Niloog ug Hilas nga mga Bidli kaau nga Buhat nga Unta Mananap ra nga sama sa Iro ang pweding mo buhat sa Ingon ani nga Pakig ***, Imagine Igsoon Nimo imong Unayon tungod lang sa Sugo? pag sure oi. Wala nalang jud diay laing choice sa iyang ka Bright iya pajud unayon ang manag igsoon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    (Leviticus 18:6-18 )
    Basa pud gamay.
    why incest is Sin? It has been proven today that it will cause genetic abmormalities.
    God is proven scientifically right in todays science in declaring this law.
    There must be a time in human history when this was permitted bacause human's dna and genes are not corrupted.
    during this time humans lived upto 700 years clearly our genes are not yet corrupted. If God would have allowed it there would be a good reason, its beacuse of the survival of the human population. Imagine if there just 15 people in the whole world how would you and i exist if they did not intermarry, humanity will be extinct due to no reproduction.
    In those days clearly intermarrying doesn't produce genetic defects if so we would all have genetic defects.
    What needs to be emphasized here is the distinction of timeline when human genes was least corrupted(closest to the creation of Adam and eve) to the point where it is severly corrupted by sin and rebellion to God (farthest from the original creation of Adam and Eve and constant influence of satan) that God who created us who knows us even when were not born yet who knows our every hair everything about us that because human is so corrupted by sin and cannot intermarry that God our creator strictly prohibts intermarrying (Leviticus 18:6-18 ).

    There is also other theories about naphilim or fallen angels intermarrying humans that produced further corruption of the human genes.
    Ngano diay bro naproblema diay ka nga dili ka mo exist? mas maau pa kadtong wala ma tawo bro. kay kung wala ka matawo dili ka kandidato sa Kalayo sa impyerno or sa Langit man lang kay walay pagahukman, So why are you worried about being no existence?

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Vien View Post
    Ngano diay bro naproblema diay ka nga dili ka mo exist? mas maau pa kadtong wala ma tawo bro. kay kung wala ka matawo dili ka kandidato sa Kalayo sa impyerno or sa Langit man lang kay walay pagahukman, So why are you , So why are you worried about being no existence?
    No need to worry bro regarding sa impyerno.

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"
    "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

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    Matud pa sa Kasulatan, Ang Dios or ang Creator Wala konoy Pagka usab, or walay kausaban pero ang iyang balaod nag usab usab unya binaboy ug iniro ang Dating sa pagpadaghan sa iyang pinalangga nga mga Katawhan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    No need to worry bro regarding sa impyerno.

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"
    "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

    Bro. wala man ko nangayo nimo ug Verse bro. ang akong pangutana nimo is Angay ba ka ma worry kung Dili ka ma tawo? nga dili man ka kandidato nga malangit or ma impyerno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    No need to worry bro regarding sa impyerno.

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"
    "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

    Bro. wala man ko nangayo nimo ug Verse bro. ang akong pangutana nimo is Angay ba ka ma worry kung Dili ka ma tawo? nga dili man ka kandidato nga malangit or ma impyerno.

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