The Church is responsible for over population in the Phils.

[ichor_82283]

@JX

the question is would the govt dare to defy the church?

the government as an instrumentality of the state ought to have its own discretion and even inherent will. I think, the question would be, would the people (the general public-those under the govt, and the those running the govt) dare defy the church?

Efforts has been done to draw the line of the influence of the church on the affairs of the govt. It's up to you, whether you want it to be visible or microscopic. I say, there have been efforts to teach the public to exercise their rights.

Atienza's time?
What about the time of todays mayors? and even to mayors who are pro-life but yet has the sense to understand the need of the country to slow down its population explosion?
Do you find it hard to believe that a lot of our govt officials are doing these jobs and advocacy?

on the issue of teaching the "this" to catholic schools.

I haven't been to a catholic school, I am a protestant so I would stand on a theory basis.
When I meant to teach the "this", I meant the reproductive health awareness to teeners and even to college studes.
I don't think catholic schools would be against this. I didn't want to imply a head-on teaching of using contraceptives and other means to slow down population explosion but a subtle approach. I just can't agree that catholic schools would be that narrow-minded to keep the knowledge just because they have their own sets of beliefs.
OT: I want to hear people who are into catholic schools if they touch this topics.

[JX]

@JX

the question is would the govt dare to defy the church?

the government as an instrumentality of the state ought to have its own discretion and even inherent will. I think, the question would be, would the people (the general public-those under the govt, and the those running the govt) dare defy the church?

Efforts has been done to draw the line of the influence of the church on the affairs of the govt. It's up to you, whether you want it to be visible or microscopic. I say, there have been efforts to teach the public to exercise their rights.

it seems the efforts are not enough regarding the matter.
and the question was, will the political leaders be brave enough to defy the church's stand regarding the matter?
Politicians tend to be wary of going against its edicts, for fear of losing votes.

Atienza's time?
What about the time of todays mayors? and even to mayors who are pro-life but yet has the sense to understand the need of the country to slow down its population explosion?
Do you find it hard to believe that a lot of our govt officials are doing these jobs and advocacy?

population explosion is heavily centered in luzon area, particularly manila and quezon city area.
And who might be that certain govt official?

on the issue of teaching the "this" to catholic schools.

I haven't been to a catholic school, I am a protestant so I would stand on a theory basis.
When I meant to teach the "this", I meant the reproductive health awareness to teeners and even to college studes.
I don't think catholic schools would be against this. I didn't want to imply a head-on teaching of using contraceptives and other means to slow down population explosion but a subtle approach. I just can't agree that catholic schools would be that narrow-minded to keep the knowledge just because they have their own sets of beliefs.
OT: I want to hear people who are into catholic schools if they touch this topics.

i dont see the need for subtlety for we all know these things do happen, and for me, its better head on than just more likely pretend these things dont/wont happen..

[ichor_82283]

JX

the dense population of manila and quezon city isnt attributed to birth explosion alone. the influx of immigrants (emigrants) constitutes as well. as to the luzon area, isn't it logical for that area to have more population to the lesser land mass of the rest of the archipelago? haven't you checked that Aparri is less dense in terms of population as compared to Zambo? Geographic location isnt the issue, the country as that.

It is really a question for politicians to stand on birth issues or any related issues for they fear the turnover of votes would be many. But let us not seclude and narrowly pointed at them as agents of population explosion. Much more to name names who are supporting these advocacies. I am not entirely defending the whole politicians, I am only defending to those who are just doing their jobs.

Subtle approach:
what do you want then? to reverse the flow of the river or to redirect its flow?

We have varied approaches at hand to campaign this advocacy.

[JX]

JX

the dense population of manila and quezon city isnt attributed to birth explosion alone. the influx of immigrants (emigrants) constitutes as well. as to the luzon area, isn't it logical for that area to have more population to the lesser land mass of the rest of the archipelago? haven't you checked that Aparri is less dense in terms of population as compared to Zambo? Geographic location isnt the issue, the country as that.

(2005) 2.36% annual population growth(break-neck population explosion) and is among the highest in the world. 5479 babies a day? immigrants?
No resting time for birthing mothers on public hospitals after delivery because there's always another next in line..

It is really a question for politicians to stand on birth issues or any related issues for they fear the turnover of votes would be many. But let us not seclude and narrowly pointed at them as agents of population explosion. Much more to name names who are supporting these advocacies. I am not entirely defending the whole politicians, I am only defending to those who are just doing their jobs.

Family Planning Organization of the Philippines (FPOP) advocacy and resource specialist Rey Remonde, was twice denied communion for espousing “informed choice” and the use of birth control devices such as pills, condoms, injectables, IUD and permanent sterilization, such as tubal ligation and vasectomy in family planning.

"CBCP scare tactics against Population Bills"

Yes, there are leaders who are trying to do their job in the government, but they are up against a powerful adversary regarding the matter.

Subtle approach:
what do you want then? to reverse the flow of the river or to redirect its flow?

We have varied approaches at hand to campaign this advocacy.

i dont see the possibility of a river reversed, redirecting its flow could be one, or leveeing could also be..

varied approaches:
where would you start?

[yokam]

If we look at china at present time, they have this one-child policy.. Bsan pa ug gusto sa mag.asawa nga magdugang, kuhaon jud sa gobyerno. Ang uban gani mo.abroad lng aron mkadugang ug anak. Thats because naa'y backbone ang ilang gobyerno, ug wla'y simbahan nga nagbuot sa trabaho nila. Ma naa or wlay disiplina ang mga tao didto, pro mao ma'y balaod, sunod gyud sila. Mao nga hinay2x na.control ila population.
Sa parent-daughter scenario.. In the US, teenagers nila didto is, g.educate and g.encourage nila nga if ever dli mapugngan kay ma.curios man gyud na, labi na anang edara, to be safe, meaning use contraceptives. Dri pa na, sus, mag.unsa nlng kha ang simbahan, puno cguro ug batikos ang gobyerno.. hehe, nya magkurog pod dayon ang mga leaders, sunod dayon..

That's actually why I'm saying that we, the people, should have the initiative to inflict change because our government is not functioning very well. If we compare our government with that of China or the US, layo ra kaayo ta.

[JX]

@yokam

and what is your stand regarding the issue?

[yokam]

@yokam

and what is your stand regarding the issue?

I guess it's clear, people should be more responsible and disciplined rather than banking on the government or the church (which in the first place, both has not really served it's good purpose). And regarding the title of the topic, no, the church is not responsible for the outburst of the population.

[JX]

OT:
@JX
sigi man lang kag mention sa China diri. Aypa adto nalang ka puyo. Bilib man kaayo ka sa ila pangobyerno didito. The Philippines is still a free country the last time i checked.

mo.resort nlng dayon ug OT.. hehe to the issue..
maayo diay kay kahibaw ka mo.check.. paki double check sunod sa meaning anang word nga freedom.. ug tan.awa pod ug naa ba na'y kuyog nga responsibilidad.. hehehe..

Pila na gani na sila ka bilyon? Nisalir diay gihapon ana ilahang policy? And what are the consequences anan ilang, matud pa nimo, nindot kaayo nga population control policy? Daghang ABORTION. Basin okay ra pud na nimo.

Sa china lang diay legal ang abortion? Sa pilipinas, dli tuod legal, pro daghan man ghapon ana..
since one-child policy, estimated reduced population growth of 300M. wa man gani ta katunga ana 300M.. hehehe,

@ichor_62283
maypa ka you spent the time going to the nearest health center. dili parehas aning uban diring virtual librarians nga sigig tulisok sa gobyerno ug simbahan. wala gani kahibaw sa actual nga panghitabo sa mga health centers. Wala na kunoy condom didto. Didto man gani ko ganina - nanghatag man lagi.

i think its ichor_82283.. hehehe

[JX]

I guess it's clear, people should be more responsible and disciplined rather than banking on the government or the church (which in the first place, both has not really served it's good purpose). And regarding the title of the topic, no, the church is not responsible for the outburst of the population.

and what do you think the government and the church should do regarding the matter?
coz i think i already know what the people should do..

[jonas m]

I think, the Church is partly responsible for overpopulation. They are more known to have participated in various political activities than in the drive to address the population problem.