Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[jarves]

Ayaw nlan tah ana imung style nga way unod bro, adtu nlan na gamita sa uban nimung ka diskusyon.. gasgas na kaayu na nga style...kana bitaw cge ihap sa pangutana..


You ask Unsaon pag ILA.. should i Quote the EXACT question you have? the First ONE? I answer you with verse nya karun Gi USAB nimu imung Pangutana - INTERPRETATION NASAD? so cge lang ka PANGUTANA ani...haha

ADTU lan na gamita sa uban..

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when you say AND, what does it MEAN? + or -->


Does it mean good works is a SEPARATE requirements or NOT.

Or they Go together as ONE?

I think we are on a good direction here..

You are trying to trap me ha! You ha! It's AND bro its not a mathematical expression. Faith is a requirement and so is Works. A requirement for a christian is to have faith, a requirement or the basis for our judgement as christians is our works.

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Based on the Bible.. We can determine but we cannot JUDGE

Kuwang nsad imung Comprehension...

When you Kill, I can say ITS WRONG based on what is Written on the BIBLE. But I CANNOT JUDGE you if you have Sinned in the Eyes of GOD.

When i say You dont have True FAITH, it because of what i saw in your DEEDS which is based on the BIBLE, BUT I cannot JUDGE you that You Lost the Glory of God or You will Not be saved because only God knows.

Judging is different From saying its wrong based on the Guidelines written in the Bible.

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I think youre NOT a catholic. RC says salvation is FAITH and(+) Works.

Most RC defenders here that i have discussed Before Dont USE the word TOGETHER.. Most says Good Works is a Separate Requirements. I think you are the ONE who sounds Like a PROTESTANT haha

good one bro..

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he sounds like a Protestant than a Catholic.

Pataka nalang storya si Sio Sio Sio Sio Mai! SioMai sa Tisa Lami kaayo! Kana nalang kaha e topic Sio! Paresan dayon ug ngohiong sa san carlos. Orayt!

[jarves]

Nganu di man tika hatagan ug Verse nga Ang BIBLIYA may Source sa akong BELIEF, ngita kag lusot? Nice try...

ug unsa nang naa sa bibliya, mao nay explanation nko

Ngita paman kag in your own WORDS? if di ka kasabot anang naa sa James, WAY RASON makasabot kas akong Explanation..

ikaw ni ingun nko nga NILIHAY, nya hatagan taka ug Verse nga same sa akong Tubag nya pangutan on ka if Nilihay ba si Kristo, DILI KA MUTUBAG... haha


You ask, UNSAY pag ila sa True FAITH, ikaw nangutana ug UNA, akong tubag JAMES 2:14
Nya karun mu ask ko, DI KA MUSUGOT? haha

CGE lan ikaw pangutana? YOU did Not even mentioned in your First Question nga Di diay pwedi mag mu tubag ug naa sa bibliya..

Bai Sio wa jd ka kasabot unsa na ang TRUE FAITH!

Paminawa ni! mao ni pag ila sa TRUE FAITH!

[jarves]

NOT all are interpretation. example KILLING is wrong based on 10 Commandments, I dont think it needs interpretation when you say you KILL someone ITS WRONG.

Some are interpreted based on the Guidelines we read from the Bible. mao raman nay allowed natu..

And also, Most of our belief is BASED on interpretation. RC doctrines are also based mostly on interpretation.

kaluoy sa mga early church fathers, kato mga disciples sa apostles. pasanginlan raman ug pataka ug interpret. ngiga sa mga protestante sa? for 1,500 years nobody got the right interpretation, 1,500 years latter nigawas ang protestante nga naa correct interpretation. Edi Wow! Your beliefs are based on Martin Luther who is an apostate catholic priest, a confused and convoluted person. He drank the poison that the devil gave him, ang resulta, protestants confused sd.hahaha....Edi Wow! Nihatag d i guidelines ang bible unsaon pag interpret? Wow na Wow! unsa kaha na klaseha sa bible? Black Bible?hahaha....

[emow]

If you believe in God's plan, it doesnt matter. If everything is planned by a divine being, then you being faithful or not was already scripted. But if you believe in freewill and randomness of things, then the question is meaningless.

[buchokoy]

Protestant brothers please watch..

Catholic brothers just a refresher for you guys

[SioDenz]

kaluoy sa mga early church fathers, kato mga disciples sa apostles. pasanginlan raman ug pataka ug interpret. ngiga sa mga protestante sa? for 1,500 years nobody got the right interpretation, 1,500 years latter nigawas ang protestante nga naa correct interpretation. Edi Wow! Your beliefs are based on Martin Luther who is an apostate catholic priest, a confused and convoluted person. He drank the poison that the devil gave him, ang resulta, protestants confused sd.hahaha....Edi Wow! Nihatag d i guidelines ang bible unsaon pag interpret? Wow na Wow! unsa kaha na klaseha sa bible? Black Bible?hahaha....

Kinsay nag ingun nga pataka ug Interpret mga apostol ?

We are the Ones who interpreted the MESSAGE of the Apostle, ang atung doctrina karun based sa interpretation sa ilang mensahe - nya sila na nuon nagpataka ug interpret.haha

tawn sad sa imung reading comprehension...

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If you believe in God's plan, it doesnt matter. If everything is planned by a divine being, then you being faithful or not was already scripted. But if you believe in freewill and randomness of things, then the question is meaningless.

ka lawom ani bro...

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You are trying to trap me ha! You ha! It's AND bro its not a mathematical expression. Faith is a requirement and so is Works. A requirement for a christian is to have faith, a requirement or the basis for our judgement as christians is our works.

A true Doctrine cannot be trapped

So is it a separate requirements or isa ra ang Faith ug good works?

Separate entity or isa ra.. para maklaro...

Pataka nalang storya si Sio Sio Sio Sio Mai! SioMai sa Tisa Lami kaayo! Kana nalang kaha e topic Sio! Paresan dayon ug ngohiong sa san carlos. Orayt!

very funny

tubag nlan tag siomai kay wa nman tah ika share...

[Brownman_politiks]

manganta osa ta.

[jarves]

Kinsay nag ingun nga pataka ug Interpret mga apostol ?

We are the Ones who interpreted the MESSAGE of the Apostle, ang atung doctrina karun based sa interpretation sa ilang mensahe - nya sila na nuon nagpataka ug interpret.haha

tawn sad sa imung reading comprehension...

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ka lawom ani bro...

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A true Doctrine cannot be trapped

So is it a separate requirements or isa ra ang Faith ug good works?

Separate entity or isa ra.. para maklaro...





very funny

tubag nlan tag siomai kay wa nman tah ika share...

hahahah siomai pa sho! I'm not the one nga nagpataka. basa balik sho! hahaha...kana lng daan personal interpretation sa protestants treated as doctrine is already against the bible. And yet you claim bible based church? What a ridiculous church would that be.hehehe...Works and faith are not the same. gets in christianity faith is needed, works are needed. simple as that. taronga sd basa sio! bunal sio!hahaha....

[SioDenz]

kaluoy sa mga early church fathers, kato mga disciples sa apostles. pasanginlan raman ug pataka ug interpret.

When did i said this?

hahahah siomai pa sho! I'm not the one nga nagpataka. basa balik sho! hahaha...kana lng daan personal interpretation sa protestants treated as doctrine is already against the bible. And yet you claim bible based church? What a ridiculous church would that be.hehehe...Works and faith are not the same. gets in christianity faith is needed, works are needed. simple as that. taronga sd basa sio! bunal sio!hahaha....

Doctrine? doctrine created by RC are also INTERPRETED from the BIBLE? wa jud diay kay ALAM..

Kanang Doktrina sa Confession sa PARI, naa diay EXACT verse ana sa Bibliya nga go INTERPRET raman na sa mga RC.
kanang Doctrina sa TRINITY?
Doktrina sa Porgatoryo?

Tawn sad..

IF works and FAITH are NOT the same and are SEPARATE. unsa kadaghan nga WORKS atung buhaton para ma comply sa Salvation? REQUIREMENTS man kaha na.
Pwedi ra isa, diha tulo? pila kabuok? Hatagi daw ko sa imung DOCTRINA na wala gi interpret..

[jarves]

When did i said this?




Doctrine? doctrine created by RC are also INTERPRETED from the BIBLE? wa jud diay kay ALAM..

Kanang Doktrina sa Confession sa PARI, naa diay EXACT verse ana sa Bibliya nga go INTERPRET raman na sa mga RC.
kanang Doctrina sa TRINITY?
Doktrina sa Porgatoryo?

Tawn sad..

IF works and FAITH are NOT the same and are SEPARATE. unsa kadaghan nga WORKS atung buhaton para ma comply sa Salvation? REQUIREMENTS man kaha na.
Pwedi ra isa, diha tulo? pila kabuok? Hatagi daw ko sa imung DOCTRINA na wala gi interpret..

intawn sd nimo sio. tagae ko verse sa bible nag state nga 'every doctrine must be found in the bible". tagaan tika 10,000 years sio para mag search, para mas sayon gamit ug software based bible, check all translations from chinese, korean, german ug tanang language. kung makita nimo kai mobalhin ko sa imo religion. If faith alone is needed, and works is a manifestation of true faith then how many good works needed man para maka ingon ta nga true faith na? good works is something we do not quantify, only wicked people like you quantify it.