Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[ketllac]

faith and good works are one. Just like eating a favorite food, when your taste an ice cream you would not say that you only taste the sweetness of a sugar, and the creaminess of milk and etc but everything in it as one sensation.

good works validate your faith. faith would result to good works. that's why they are one. This is the yin and yang of the western thinking..

faith without action is like hallucination. its better to have faith in action rather having faith without execution.

[Tetrad]

if they are one and indivisible or unsa sakto nga term ana, meaning dili na FAITH + WORKS but FAITH that WORKS, in other words, SAVING FAITH.

[PhakSheet]

There are group of believers that says once we accept Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, God forgives our sins PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE. Unsa may ma-istorya ninyu ani?

Pareha raman ni boss sa kawatan nga iya gi-kompisal daan ug apil ang iyang kawatonon.

Siguro ang duol2x ani kay ang assumption nga once imo nang madawat c Jesus sa imong kinabuhi, gamay nalang ka ug chance nga makasala (Pero naa lang gihapon chance nga makasala coz we r only human). So wa na nagpasabot nga gipasaylo naka daan sa mga sala nga imo palanag buhaton.

[ketllac]

if they are one and indivisible or unsa sakto nga term ana, meaning dili na FAITH + WORKS but FAITH that WORKS, in other words, SAVING FAITH.

the question here is, why faith alone if faith and works are one?

[Tetrad]

Pareha raman ni boss sa kawatan nga iya gi-kompisal daan ug apil ang iyang kawatonon.

Siguro ang duol2x ani kay ang assumption nga once imo nang madawat c Jesus sa imong kinabuhi, gamay nalang ka ug chance nga makasala (Pero naa lang gihapon chance nga makasala coz we r only human). So wa na nagpasabot nga gipasaylo naka daan sa mga sala nga imo palanag buhaton.

diha mo follow ang doctrine of transformation brod, old things are passed away and all things are becoming new.

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the question here is, why faith alone if faith and works are one?

ang subject kay means of salvation man gud. the key for a person to be saved.
FAITH and FAITH + WORKS

Genuine faith = Faith that works
Dead faith need works to prove it

[ketllac]

believers of faith alone doctrine heres your challenge;

tagai kono kog verse nga faith alone maka save? I can assure you nga walay verse nga faith alone maka save sa bible.

[Tetrad]

believers of faith alone doctrine heres your challenge;

tagai kono kog verse nga faith alone maka save? I can assure you nga walay verse nga faith alone maka save sa bible.

Ephesians 2:8-9King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

when you say theres no alone after FAITH, then show us a verse also that says FAITH + (plus) WORKS ang requirement for salvation. simple gyud kayo nga logic bro, real faith will manifest good works. same thing as saying to your girlfriend I love you, but the evidence of how genuine is that love is your efforts...those efforts are NOT an obligation but a manifestation or overflow of that feeling.

Ang false love is when someone say i love you nya pagkaugma nangyog pasaylo kay bunga ra diay to sa kahubog ang diskarte or pwed sad moingon i love you nya giprove sa works kay nag effort, pero pagkakuha na sa iyang gusto, gibiyaan lang pud ang babaye...thats the same picture of a DEAD FAITH!

but when you have true love, andam gyud ka moatubang sa ginikanan kay gibarugan nimo imong mga saad! char!



Why is justification by faith such an important doctrine?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

So you consider Repentant as a form of Good Works?

Repentance is a work that stems from a persons faith. Yes it is a good work and a proof that a person really believes is when he repented.

And if you done so many sins in your entire Life, then in your deathbed you repent, then Jesus Saves you - Unsay naka pa save nimu ana bro? Imung Buhat or ang Kaluooy sa DIOS tungod sa imung Pagtoo niya?

Kaluoy man na sa Dios ang kaluwasan di man na buhat ug di sad na kaluoy sa Dios kay tungod sa imong pagtuo. Kay kon moingon gud ka bro ug naluoy ang Dios nimo tungod sa imong pagtuo, merit na na sya.. merited favor na na kay naay rason ang Ginoo nga maluoy nimo ug kana ang imong pagtuo. Grace is unmerited favor man so way naa sa tao mga maka compel sa Ginoo nga kaluy-an niya ang tao. God is merciful to man because He is merciful not because man deserves it. Ayaw kalimti bro Jesus died for the undeserving.

[ketllac]

@Tetrad

Ephesians 2:8-9King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

ato ning paga tukion;

ang key words dire kay GRACE, FAITH, GIFT, WORKS. Sabta ang sentence structure tetrad. Di ba grace and originator or caused sa salvation. niingon ba nga faith?. faith is caused by grace not the other way around.

checked this cross reference;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For it is by his grace that we have been saved through faith, and this faith was not from you, but it is the gift of God. click here http://biblehub.com/ephesians/2-8.htm

diba kaklaro ana? ang grasya sa Ginoo maoy nag tukmod sa imong pag too dili ang pagtoo nag sugo sa Ginoo nga luwason ka. It means everything comes from God even your faith..remember ka sa song, its not because of who I am but because of who God is.

then show us a verse also that says FAITH + (plus) WORKS ang requirement for salvation

wala may giingon nga faith + works = salvation sa akong Catholic Faith. tinamban ra man ni panabot. validation lang ni sa tinuod nga faith. sa catechism sa simbahang katoliko gi emphasize ang grace maoy pinaka una sa tanan. nahitabo ang pagtoo ug maayong buhat kay gitamnan imo kasing kasing ug grasya sa Ginoo. Dili nimo ni paningkamot, gikan ni sa iyang pag higugma.. click here; Catechism of the Catholic Church - Grace and justification. Ang buot pasabot dili nimo effort but its a gift, which means dili caused by faith.. kung caused by faith aw paningkamot gihapon sa tawo, acquired through merit. we still have the tendency to boast..To keep ones faith requires a lot work ra ba especially in the midst of temptation.

ASA man ang FAITH ALONE DIRE BE? Kung faith alone aw, lupig pa ang kalooy ug grace sa Ginoo. kung ONLY faith, means walay lain nga ingredients faith ra gyud, unya asa man ang grasya dire mosolod nga doctrine? Labaw pa ba imo faith sa grasya ug kalooy sa Ginoo? niingon ang bible through faith meaning ana nga you have to participate, you have to live the grace freely given.. dili HALLUCINATION nga nag exist lang sa mind without good works..

Pamalhin mo ana inyong kalaki oi...nganong ni subscribe mo anang inyong relihiyon nga bisag basic sentence structure sa bible di man mao....

[Tetrad]

heheeh. mas kamao paman ka sa among pari sa una migo bitaw, wala pa gyud ta magkasinabot. i hope youre doing the good works nga makapalangit sa taw. try to preach or share the gospel nalang migo to convince others to Christ, magamit paka for god's glory.