Thermospehre is a lie or its description is?

[wrt54gs7]

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Thermospehre is a lie or its description is?

According to the wiki:
Thermospheric temperatures increase with altitude due to absorption of highly energetic solar radiation. Temperatures are highly dependent on solar activity, and can rise to 2,000 °C (3,630 °F). Radiation causes the atmosphere particles in this layer to become electrically charged (see ionosphere), enabling radio waves to bounce off and be received beyond the horizon. In the exosphere, beginning at 500 to 1,000 kilometres (310 to 620 mi) above the Earth's surface, the atmosphere turns into space.

The highly diluted gas in this layer can reach 2,500 °C (4,530 °F) during the day. Even though the temperature is so high, one would not feel warm in the thermosphere, because it is so near vacuum that there is not enough contact with the few atoms of gas to transfer much heat. A normal thermometer would be significantly below 0 °C (32 °F), because the energy lost by thermal radiation would exceed the energy acquired from the atmospheric gas by direct contact. In the anacoustic zone above 160 kilometres (99 mi), the density is so low that molecular interactions are too infrequent to permit the transmission of sound.

Summary:
Paragraph 1 states that the higher you go the hotter it is, due to solar radiation.
Paragraph 2 states that some gas up there can reach up to 2500C, but a normal thermometer would read below zero, because it is near vacuum and not enough contact between atoms of gas to transfer heat.

From what I gathered:
The only elements in the periodic table that can withstand 2500°C are carbon, niobium, molybdenum, tantalum, tungsten, rhenium, and osmium. Except for carbon, these metals are very, very heavy and are of course extremely conductive to heat and most are very ductile when heat treated meaning they bend and coil. Carbon even has the highest thermal conductivities of all known materials! So, if you want to cook someone very efficiently and quickly, there is nothing better than a space capsule made out of graphite.

Some issues:
What kind of thermometer were they using to measure the temperature up there then?
They said that solar radiation (infrared radiation from the sun) is the heat source. So the solar radiation will heat up these gas atoms. Now let us put a satellite they say that there will be no heat transfer from thsee atom gases because there are so few of them right? and if a normal thermometer is strapped at the side of the satellite it will read below zero right?
But will the solar radiation not heat up a satellite or the thermometer (they are just another form/collection of atoms)?
If a very powerful laser is pointed at these gas atoms surrounding a satellite/thermometer, will the surrounding gas atoms heat up while the satellite/thermometer not?
Are they saying the a gas atom some nanometers away from the satellite/thermometer would be 2500C while the satellite/thermometer would be below zero?

[Bangkilan]

There is no serious contender as of moment

pointed out that these atmospherical layer

are incorrect.

[wrt54gs7]

There is no serious contender as of moment

pointed out that these atmospherical layer

are incorrect.

They got away with that because science is based on belief too. If you don't believe what the priest/scientist say then you are stupid and questioning them is even more ridiculous. If they lied about that then what else could they be lying?

Science is just another religion, repackaged in a fancy box covered with confusing words.

[igibouy]

Ok. You saying that if you don't understand something, then it isn't true. A presumptuous title if I ever saw one.

What kind of thermometer were they using to measure the temperature up there then?

You seem to be under the impression that the only way for us to measure temperature is by using the common mercury thermometer. A simple google search would have answered this question.

But will the solar radiation not heat up a satellite or the thermometer?

Satellites counter the heat from the sun with radiation.

As for the thermometer, the black-body radiation the thermometer is receiving will be less than the radiation getting out. That's why it will read below 0.

If a very powerful laser is pointed at these gas atoms surrounding a satellite/thermometer, will the surrounding gas atoms heat up while the satellite/thermometer not?

Like the wiki said, molecules are so few laser-light would hardly be able to heat anything.

Are they saying the a gas atom some nanometers away from the satellite/thermometer would be 2500C while the satellite/thermometer would be below zero?

That's what the wiki says.

[wrt54gs7]

You seem to be under the impression that the only way for us to measure temperature is by using the common mercury thermometer. A simple google search would have answered this question.

Right. I'd like to know how they measure the temperature of a gas atom at that altitude. Is it magic?

Satellites counter the heat from the sun with radiation.

What?

As for the thermometer, the black-body radiation the thermometer is receiving will be less than the radiation getting out. That's why it will read below 0.

So you believe that a gas atom some nanometers away will be 2500C while the satellite/thermometer will be below zero. Do you not know how close a nanometer is? The gas atom at 2500C should be emitting its own thermal radiation. What is the magic behind these gas atoms, sattellites and thermometers? Why can't they recieve the same solar radiation they are in the same altitude right?

Like the wiki said, molecules are so few laser-light would hardly be able to heat anything.

The sun is a very powerful omni directional laser. It was able to heat up these gas atoms up to 2500C. What sorcery is preventing the sun from heating up the atoms of the satellite/thermometer?

[Bangkilan]

They got away with that because science is based on belief too. If you don't believe what the priest/scientist say then you are stupid and questioning them is even more ridiculous. If they lied about that then what else could they be lying?

Science is just another religion, repackaged in a fancy box covered with confusing words.

FIRST OF ALL - taste your words first before you spit them out.

SECOND - sarcasm does not constitute proof.

THIRD - you got it terribly wrong!

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Science is a method not other religion *a philosophy branch* that limits the range of view of its inquiry

to which that can be sensed & measured or severely exact to derive by reasoning from senses and measurements.

science acknowledge the inherent possibilities and uncertainty of this approach and attempts to get closer to

truth by using a process known as the scientific methodology which rejects conclusions that cant be verified

and requires explicit standards of both truth and alterfication before to agree the legitimacy of a claim.

science patch.up these claims into augmenting complex working standars which are provisionally agreed upon

as true enough.

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LASTLY - You are not worth refuting. you provably misunderstands the fundamental nature of the scientific

method you missing the point in a big way in fact, you treating science as a religion *stop trying to make it

into one* you cannot just simply make up a new definition of a word so you can use it to prove a made up

claim.

[wrt54gs7]

So you can't defend your thermosphere. Which part did I got wrong? Correct it please.

[igibouy]

Right. I'd like to know how they measure the temperature of a gas atom at that altitude. Is it magic?

GUGEL it. DId you even bother to research before posting these questions?

What?

Stuff emits radiation; the wavelength of the radiation depending on the temperature. The suns primarily emits a visible wavelength. The satellite emits radiation at mid-infrared and by doing so, it loses thermal energy.

Do you not know how close a nanometer is?

Do you know how insignificant 1 atom is?

What is the magic behind these gas atoms, sattellites and thermometers? Why can't they recieve the same solar radiation they are in the same altitude right?

They are.

The sun is a very powerful omni directional laser. It was able to heat up these gas atoms up to 2500C. What sorcery is preventing the sun from heating up the atoms of the satellite/thermometer?

Are you expecting the thermometer to melt/read high temp? That's not how they work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_equilibrium

[wrt54gs7]

Quote Originally Posted by wrt54gs7 View Post
Right. I'd like to know how they measure the temperature of a gas atom at that altitude. Is it magic?
GUGEL it. DId you even bother to research before posting these questions?

Obviously you don't know too. You just believe what they say. And post link to some site you didn't even read/understood.

Satellites counter the heat from the sun with radiation.

What? How? Why?

Stuff emits radiation; the wavelength of the radiation depending on the temperature. The suns primarily emits a visible wavelength. The satellite emits radiation at mid-infrared and by doing so, it loses thermal energy.

Doens't matter what other sorts of radiation the sun emits, it is the infrared radiation the heats up the atmophere. Think about that it heats up the athmosphere, anything you place in that altitude should have roughly the same temperature.

Are you expecting the thermometer to melt/read high temp? That's not how they work.

So you believe a thermometer wont melt at high temperature? Ok (I already posted some of the elements that can withstand 2500C)

If you move those gas atoms together with sattelite/thermometer in a lower altitude will they not have the same temperature as its surroundings? If you moved them closer to the sun will the gas atoms heat up and the satellite(chilly cold)/thermometer will read below zero? What is so special about these altitudes?

[igibouy]

Obviously you don't know too. You just believe what they say. And post link to some site you didn't even read/understood.

What? How? Why?

Do you want me to explain it to you like a I would explain to a 5 year old?

Doens't matter what other sorts of radiation the sun emits, it is the infrared radiation the heats up the atmophere. Think about that it heats up the athmosphere, anything you place in that altitude should have roughly the same temperature. If you move those gas atoms together with sattelite/thermometer in a lower altitude will they not have the same temperature as its surroundings? If you moved them closer to the sun will the gas atoms heat up and the satellite(chilly cold)/thermometer will read below zero? What is so special about these altitudes?

Thermodynamics, truly a science conspiracy.


I don't know if you're trolling, conpiracy nut or just plain simple but you seem to outright reject the conventional scientific explanation.

Tell me, what do you believe?