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    Quote Originally Posted by slabs17 View Post

    wala lagi koy supak ana basta regulated lang. kanang sakto nga dosage lang ang mapunta sa matag patiente, dili kay bisag walay sakit na hala tira Lol
    then whats the fuss from you? himan himan diay, mu uyon basta regulated lng.

    Tanan cannabis marijuana? tubag.

  2. #662

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    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    then whats the fuss from you?

    Tanan cannabis marijuana? tubag.
    usa ko motubag. unsa may atong topic brader? unsa may atong ipa legalize tubag

  3. #663

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabs17 View Post
    usa ko motubag. unsa may atong topic brader? unsa may atong ipa legalize tubag
    tanan cannbis marijuana? tubag. your hesitation to answer is a proof that there might be something you failed to consider, after all the sweeping generalizations you posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    tanan cannbis marijuana? tubag. your hesitation to answer is a proof that there might be something you failed to consider, after all the sweeping generalizations you posted.
    Hahaha whas going on emo? maniguro usa ko na parehas tag grounds sa topic to make sure nga mao rang impaktoha atong gi istoryhan.

    Karon brader unsa man jud atong gihisgutan diri? Unsa man ang imong gusto e pa legalize? Tubaga na para makapadayon ta nasuko nman gud ka

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    Quote Originally Posted by emow View Post
    Legalize it across the board and regulate it like alcohol. again, arguments like yours are just double standard application of laws.

    as rgards to lobbying, information dissemination is key. there is in fact a pending bill in Congress, Compassionate Use of Medical Marijuana. this will prosper once US federal laws will uplift cannabis prohibition or at least downgrade cannabis to schedule II. the individual states are now in the process of following Colorado's example. Colorado should be filled with violent crimes, suicidals, rapes, and wanton violence if we were to believe the prohibitionists, like Nancy grace of HLN network.
    its not double standard, since our society is not yet ready for across the board... natulog ka dong? wa ka kita sa imo palibot? and you expect that it should be across the board... dont use the argument of other country kay dili ta taga didto... itawn dong be relevant on what is happening in this country and this country alone, so what if muricans want to legalize it... again they are more discipline that we are, they have more effective law enforcement that we have, they have effective justice system that we have... tan-awa usa ang sitwasyon sa usa ka lugar before you call for change.. and uses other country as reason to change that place... isn't thats what the muricans did? exporting democracy? samethinf with the chinks, exporting communisn.... can you atleast make an argument that is more relevant diri sa atoa and not base from other country and some whachamacallit?

    you are too americanize thats makes u sound like a muricans...

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    Kung ma legalize, ang ako ma imagine kay basin mao nalang ni ato makit-an nga tamnon, imbis humay, mais, utanon ug uban pa. Kini pay imo hasulan nga halin kaayo unya less maintenance pagtanum... Kini nalang pud unya ang ato lung-agon, utanon, kilawon ug uban pa...

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    Quote Originally Posted by salbahis View Post
    its not double standard, since our society is not yet ready for across the board... natulog ka dong? wa ka kita sa imo palibot? and you expect that it should be across the board... dont use the argument of other country kay dili ta taga didto... itawn dong be relevant on what is happening in this country and this country alone, so what if muricans want to legalize it... again they are more discipline that we are, they have more effective law enforcement that we have, they have effective justice system that we have... tan-awa usa ang sitwasyon sa usa ka lugar before you call for change.. and uses other country as reason to change that place... isn't thats what the muricans did? exporting democracy? samethinf with the chinks, exporting communisn.... can you atleast make an argument that is more relevant diri sa atoa and not base from other country and some whachamacallit?

    you are too americanize thats makes u sound like a muricans...
    wa jud koy masulti. perteng tumpaka

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3roble View Post
    Kung ma legalize, ang ako ma imagine kay basin mao nalang ni ato makit-an nga tamnon, imbis humay, mais, utanon ug uban pa. Kini pay imo hasulan nga halin kaayo unya less maintenance pagtanum... Kini nalang pud unya ang ato lung-agon, utanon, kilawon ug uban pa...
    You familiar with hemp bro? Same genus raman pd na sila ni cannabis, hemp, marijuana.

    But actually pwd na mahimo sa hemp.. Pls google daw, industrial hemp. Daghan nig gamit. [emoji106][emoji1]

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    At this point, we have already established from both sides of the issue that indeed cannabis HAS medical benefits, whether the prohibitionist side will be able to accept which specific illnesses benefit from cannabis is another story.

    A valid point from that side is that Cannabis have negative effects, and yes indeed they have. As Thomas Sowell always points out, there are no absolute risks and safety in everything. there are only relative risks and relative safety. each risk taken might provide a certain level of safety, likewise, every safety taken also provides a certain level of risk, whether readily perceived or not. Water taken in excess can dilute the electrolytes in the body, causing serious complications like disruption in cognitive functions, catdiac overload, and pulmunary congestion, all of these are fatal. however, people dont usually do that, do they? Because water is not addictive.

    however, we consume addictive subtances everyday. Sugar, caffeine, cholesterol, salt, alcohol, and nicotine, in various levels of quantity and quality, a both within spectrum of highs and lows, and frequency. Who decides these parameters for the person? the person. i think that is an undeniable fact, unless the person is comatosed, dead, or forced against his will.

    does the consumption of sugar makes one a diabetic? Depends, right?
    Does the consumption of alcohol makes one an alcoholic? Depends again, right?
    Does the consumption of nicotine makes one a nicotine addict? Depends again.
    Does the consumption of cannabis makes one an addict as well? Yes, according to prohibitionists.

    somehow, all other susbtances are able to qualify under the umbrella of personal responsibility or choice, but cannabis is not. that is the double standard they have been employing to dismiss the other side of cannabis which most of us barely know, a consequence of its prohibition surely. why are we more able to decide to consume alcohol in temperance? because we know its side effects, we can estimate the strength of the alcohol percentage on our body, the difference between hard drinks and beer, etc... In short, information is readily available for alcohol inspite of its dangers. We, empowered by open information, are able to mitigate the effects of alcohol, adjusting the quality, quantity, and frequency in its consumption.

    i push forward to apply this same logic in cannabis, that the people are more able to mitigate the risks of cannabis, if it was legal and regulated. the same thing will happen, information will be available. cannabis will be sold with information as to its content of THC and CBD, its variety, its mix, its origin, date it was harvested, expected side effects, CORRECT administration, correct intervals, correct dosage, correct age restriction, etc... this is only possible in legalized cannabis. people will be buying what they are looking for and what they really need.

    lets compare it to the current prohibitve status of cannabis. do people still buy them? yes, in dark alleys, in bad neighborhoods, in environments frequented by men who have no regard for the law. And these types of people only care about money. they will sell cannabis, and also offer dangerous drugs but lets limit it to cannabis. do these people bother to inform their clients about dosage, quality, proper adminstration, thc and cbd content, etc... to their clients? No. and all their merchandise cannot be inspected for CONTAMINANTS like pesticides (thats why studies involving random cannabis user, whose quality of cannabis used cannot be determined due to the effects of its prohibition are considered inconclusive)which could instantly kill or cause irreversible physiologic damage to the brain, heart, liver, lungs, and or kidneys. And inspite of these dangers, criminals can sell cannabis at a high price. basically, prohibtion makes it easy for criminals to profit from selling cannabis. because of this reason, Uruguay legalized Cannabis growing and sale.
    ( a follow up point, if alcohol is banned, and you want to drink alcohol, you buy from black market, and the it is repackaged in different ways, are you able to know its not absinth you are drinking and not vodka, or vise versa? you would be left experimenting each time.)

    Armed with correct information, people will now have the power to choose correctly according to their needs. Yes, there will be people who are going to abuse it, as there are people who abused everything else. thats their life, let them suffer their own consequences.

    going back to the issue of cannabis being a medicine, prohibtionists would say,"yeah, but people will go crazy!" People can go crazy but they dont necessarily have to if they know what kind of cannabis they are taking, possible only with legal cannabis. the risks of adverse affects can be mitigated with correct information. Alcohol can cause liver and brain damage but people can adjust their drinking habits to avoid that problem. cannabis user in prohibitive status cannot effectively adjust his cannabis usage because the concentration of substances in his cannabis varies so widely that he is left to constantly guessing the dosage, and at times accidentally causing him to trip instead of aiming for the relaxant effects, or pain relieving effects.

    in the United States, LEAP, Law Enforcement against prohibition, estimated more tha half a trillion dollars have already been spent on fighting drugs, but still every year more drugs are going in, and in increasing potency and negative effects. For them, it is an utter failure, as clear as day. The war on drugs would be effective, if lesser funds is spent every year in enforcing it, and/or lesser drugs circulate in the country but that never happened. therfore they are concluding that due to prohibition of drugs, prices of drugs are kept high in the streets, giving incentives to criminals to keep on investing on these drugs. Furhermore, every criminal they capture or drug syndicate they take down, its as if they just helped other drug syndicates take over the abandoned market share, and likewise give incentives for other criminals to fill that void. So not only are the quantity of drugs increasing, but the potency, and number of crime syndicates are increasing as well. a classic Alcohol Prohibition scenario, 90 years ago.

    now, cannabis has been shown to treat a lot of illnesses, an absurdity for most (i dont blame you, we have been kept in the dark for a long time). But it really is. have you heard of the myriad of herbal supplements in the market? they are worthless pieces of placebos. just because it contains vitamins, doesnt mean it can treat diseases. its not bad for you, but it cannot do additional good to you as well. Mangosteen, Malunggay, vitamin C, Soursopt fruit, Gogi juice, Coconut, etc.... they do not treat any disease, only " good for", as evidenced by no approved therapeutic claims.

    Cannabis has two components (both cannabinoids) that have been shown to have medical therapeutic effects, THC and CBD. THC is the psychoactive sunstance while CBD is not. both have positive medical effects thats why industrial hemp (Cannabis still) have limited medical applications, it has very low thc as compared to its CBD. How do they work in the body? our bodies have natural cannabinoid receptors in many organs and a good concentration of it in the brain. why? scientist theorized that maybe its just part of our evolution, maybe through prehistoric consumption of the plant. We produce very small amounts of Cannabinoids inside our body and only recenlt has the endocannabinoid system been mainstream, it is not taught in medical school yet.

    due to our natural affinity to cannabis, its effects are almost if not instantaneous. Pain relief, anti inflammation, neuro regulation, mood regulation, and anti cancer,no phatma drugs comes close to its immediate relief of various maladies. simply writing and describing its effects doesnt give enough justice to its wonderful benefits, try researching about it. the bottom line, it works wonders of unrivaled effectiveness. This is not a supplement, it is medicine.

    Merely legalizing cannabis for medical prescription is meaningless, like in New Jersey. Doctors are authorized to prescribed cannabis, however it is illegal to purchase or grow cannabis. Dr. Mehmet Oz (Larry King interview) said," it's ridiculous. Patients will have to break the law to follow the prescription." We can study more examples now on what is the better way to go about this, we have California, Colorado and Washington, Israel, UK, Uruguay, Spain, Netherlands, Sweden and many more coming. Israel is a good example, where the government is currently sponsoring cannabis studies. in fact, patients in specific hospitals can be given cannabis as a treatment. Israel government sponsored retirement homes have also experimented with cannabis use on the elderly and they reported very positive results with pain, dementia, parkinsons, and mood swings. we cannot stop the snowballing effect of this new developments, and it is moot to revert back to 1970-2000 studies as they have generally focused on one side of cannabis only. Even the director of NIDA herself said and implied, she will do her part in expediting investigation on the thereutic effects of cannabis as quickly as she can. a complete change of tone to the rigid close minded stance of yesteryears of the agency.

    "yeah, yeah.. it has benefits, many people might have their diseases treated. but still, there are risks." we do not deny that there are risks involved. but the moral argument on that statement is, "Is it moral for a person or a group of person to decide whether a medical patient should or should not be allowed to access cannabis when he or they do not bear any consequence at all? it is the patient's health and life on the table, not yours, not theirs, but his, and as such,ultimately,he will bear the consequence of your or their decision of prohibtition. the patient must have a voice on his own self, weigh the options available with the correct information ( only possible if made legal), and inevitably face the consequence, good or bad. how could we say we are promoting good when by doing so we have produced harm on others? that is the question evaded or ignored by the prohibitionists. As Ron Paul said, " who do you want to control personal behavior? government or you? ....if government, then you want a Nanny State."


    its time for the Philippines to consider the plant, delisted as a prohibited narcotics. we have established the medical benefits. how many filipinos are suffering from cancer, SLE, MS, Epilepsy, Diabetese, Musculo skeletal diseases, HIV/AIDs,Alzheimers, Parkinsons, Depression other non infectious diseases? A great part of them will see therapeutic benefit from Cannabis. why make things unnecessary harder for these people? Uplift the roadblock in accessing what is naturally God given.

    We do not only help medical patients, we also address livelihood. cannabis will contribute more to our economy than rice, corn, and other agri products combined. Coconut industry will be dwarfed by many folds in terms of revenue. Overall health care costs, both private and by government, will gradually decrease. carbon dioxide levels will decrease. Prices at the gas pumps will decrease, as cannabis can be extracted for biofuel, which has a higher yield than other agri products, with lesser farm area needed. that will bring costs of all related logistics to decrease. Overall, it can possibly decrease the price of consumer goods.

    After considering all of positives over negatives in medical, economic, law enforcement and moral angle, legalizing cannabis is the best course of action. We do not presume to know everything, so as the prohibitionists, so as the government... but our knowledge will remain limited if even mere holding of the plant carries a threat of imprisonment. Kudos to those who brave the threat of prosecution to uncover its limitless potential.

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