Mother of MJ Veloso reaction to Gov't - Sakto or na Brainwash?

[Romeojin]

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asa man ko nagpataka boss? kanang imong gi post nga "Fact" unsa mana? Fact based on what?

basaha kuno imong mga comments and try to back it with links, di man kaha na pataka.

Just to play safe, im not beholden to what the picture says I will not even vouch for accuracy adto.

[rafee]

ahehe.. actually mr @Romeojin, I agree with your "sentiments". If people like you run the government, then I;ll say I'm part your crusade but let me tell you something,
you seemed to be realistic in all of your statements,
................the truth is There is no real story here.........

Who are you to tell me NOT to thank the gov't bcoz its their job? wow,. so, if naa ka transaction sa gov't, dili ka mo sulti ug "salamat" after your transaction ky ilaha na nga trabaho? Dili ka tawo? ...ahahaha..

As a human, like Aling Celia just did yesterday, I think she realizes the importance of saying "Thank You" than criticizing the help of the gov't.

Whether its true or not, I believed the gov't had lapses with MJ's case. PERO unsa pamn ilahang mahimo sa pagka karon? They really need help! kinsa mkatabang nila? ang gobyerno gihapon...
Maka direkta diay iyang pamilya ug istorya ni Widodo?

Moingon cla "Sana ito yung ginawa ng gobyerno..", "Hindi maganda ang trato nila sa amin...", "Gusto nmin magpa media, hindi kami pinayagan.." etc... Unsa cla celebrities?

This is illegal drug case sir. Can't you see the difference? And stop comparing them to other OFWs and other people.. Laude, illegal fishermen(whatever) etc.. I know those are just your examples, but you are comparing apples to oranges.

So, I guess preha ramo ni aling Celia before (higher level version).., phD in computer commenting..

peace bro.. dire rko tman ky nag sorry nmn c mader.. ..

[digitalsuperman]

basaha kuno imong mga comments and try to back it with links, di man kaha na pataka.

Just to play safe, im not beholden to what the picture says I will not even vouch for accuracy adto.

asa man ato boss? kuhaa daw. tagaan tika link.

[rafee]

asa man ato boss? kuhaa daw. tagaan tika link.

ayw na ana sir... nag sorry na c mader.. move on nlng mo ky dghan pa problema ang gobyerno.. phD na rba na in commenting..

[Romeojin]

ahehe.. actually mr @Romeojin, I agree with your "sentiments". If people like you run the government, then I;ll say I'm part your crusade but let me tell you something,
you seemed to be realistic in all of your statements,
................the truth is There is no real story here.........

Who are you to tell me NOT to thank the gov't bcoz its their job? wow,. so, if naa ka transaction sa gov't, dili ka mo sulti ug "salamat" after your transaction ky ilaha na nga trabaho? Dili ka tawo? ...ahahaha..

As a human, like Aling Celia just did yesterday, I think she realizes the importance of saying "Thank You" than criticizing the help of the gov't.

Whether its true or not, I believed the gov't had lapses with MJ's case. PERO unsa pamn ilahang mahimo sa pagka karon? They really need help! kinsa mkatabang nila? ang gobyerno gihapon...
Maka direkta diay iyang pamilya ug istorya ni Widodo?

Moingon cla "Sana ito yung ginawa ng gobyerno..", "Hindi maganda ang trato nila sa amin...", "Gusto nmin magpa media, hindi kami pinayagan.." etc... Unsa cla celebrities?

This is illegal drug case sir. Can't you see the difference? And stop comparing them to other OFWs and other people.. Laude, illegal fishermen(whatever) etc.. I know those are just your examples, but you are comparing apples to oranges.

So, I guess preha ramo ni aling Celia before (higher level version).., phD in computer commenting..

peace bro.. dire rko tman ky nag sorry nmn c mader.. ..

1. Kung failed ang action ng government magpasalamat pud ka ? moaksyon lang ang gobyerno na to prolong your life without helping you in your 1st court appearance na ma present ang recruiter or take advantage of that moratorium with the previous president of Indonesia. I find no reason to thank them in this case.

Kung magreklamo pud ang mga Veloso sa government kay palpak dili pud pwede ? tuyok2x lang ta ani. double standard noh ? lisod btaw sabton kahit dili PHD sa commenting.

Daghan lang ni kontra nila kay tungod nagtuo ang kasagaran na luwas na si MJ.

2. what the government doing now is too late to save MJ, she already dead in anyones book. Unsa pa ipasalamat ? kanang miracle ? Widodo didnt even succumb sa pressure sa Australia, Pinas pa kaha.
She's alive for now cause of the new case involving her recruiter.

3. What if kung siya nag sorry sa public? you think wa pud nag sorry ang government ? of course there were compromises made kaklaro sa iyang gisulti; same as kadto sa case sa Yolanda though it end sour.

4. celebrity? I told you na sensationalize ang news tungod anang Australian cases. Of course media flocked them, ngano ingnan man pud sila sa government na dili mag pa interview ? celebrity lang diay interviewon

5. kanang comparison was intended to show that people with murder case, being head of drug syndicate and cross border illegal fishing... gi pang save pa na sa other nasud, compare nimo for someone duped as drug mule.
Tan-aw naman gud nimo na bug-at na kaau iyang nabuhat, ipang rescue man gani sa uban nasud ilang citizen to show the rest of the world they willing to protect their citizen, ITS THEIR DUTY. Mao na mabully ang mga OFWs cause of the govt inaction. Tan-aw nimo nindot pud ang treatment with the other OFWs? natural lang ang mag reklamo.

OT:

Since nagsugod ka anang labelling at me... I hope i wont catch saying bad things against the government, cause i will be laughing.

Im sorry na prolong ang istorya. Lisod man gud sabton... mag thank you instead masuko for a failure You trying to end this kay nag sorry.

[salbahis]

looks like you boys are having some fun...

1. Kung failed ang action ng government magpasalamat pud ka ? moaksyon lang ang gobyerno na to prolong your life without helping you in your 1st court appearance na ma present ang recruiter or take advantage of that moratorium with the previous president of Indonesia. I find no reason to thank them in this case.

im posted link of the timeline, both the DFA and migrante, you could try and check it out...

2. what the government doing now is too late to save MJ, she already dead in anyones book. Unsa pa ipasalamat ? kanang miracle ? Widodo didnt even succumb sa pressure sa Australia, Pinas pa kaha.
She's alive for now cause of the new case involving her recruiter.

Unsa may naa sa Australia nga pwede nila ma reprieve ang execution?, wala, they cant invoke MLAT, incase you didnt know it was Australia who informed indonesia about this people mao nadakpan na sila, so they are already a drug mule ever since, so ngano man mahadlok an indonesia, ang request sa australia is more of humanitarian rather than justice...


where as ang pinas, hell they can because of the case against the recruiter, so is suggest you familiarize with the mechanics of MLAT ive posted a link on that treaty... just read it nalang...

4. celebrity? I told you na sensationalize ang news tungod anang Australian cases. Of course media flocked them, ngano ingnan man pud sila sa government na dili mag pa interview ? celebrity lang diay interviewon

ikaw naa kay idea ngano gi-ingnan sila nga di pa interview? react man gud ka so i guess may idea. lamdagi daw mi...

5. kanang comparison was intended to show that people with murder case, being head of drug syndicate and cross border illegal fishing... gi pang save pa na sa other nasud, compare nimo for someone duped as drug mule.
Tan-aw naman gud nimo na bug-at na kaau iyang nabuhat, ipang rescue man gani sa uban nasud ilang citizen to show the rest of the world they willing to protect their citizen, ITS THEIR DUTY. Mao na mabully ang mga OFWs cause of the govt inaction. Tan-aw nimo nindot pud ang treatment with the other OFWs? natural lang ang mag reklamo.

care to cite any event where gi save ang head of drug syndicate? lamdagi daw mi.... for illegal fishing kana siya is subject to proceeding, kay dili man na siya crime against person... pwede jud na ma tabang pa..


i hope ma lamdagan mi nimo sa ubang impormasyon nga imong nahibaw-an para atleast maka sabot sad mi nga ngano ana imong position...


we are all civil here, right?

[Romeojin]

looks like you boys are having some fun...





1. im posted link of the timeline, both the DFA and migrante, you could try and check it out...

2. Unsa may naa sa Australia nga pwede nila ma reprieve ang execution?, wala, they cant invoke MLAT, incase you didnt know it was Australia who informed indonesia about this people mao nadakpan na sila, so they are already a drug mule ever since, so ngano man mahadlok an indonesia, ang request sa australia is more of humanitarian rather than justice...


where as ang pinas, hell they can because of the case against the recruiter, so is suggest you familiarize with the mechanics of MLAT ive posted a link on that treaty... just read it nalang...




4. ikaw naa kay idea ngano gi-ingnan sila nga di pa interview? react man gud ka so i guess may idea. lamdagi daw mi...




5. care to cite any event where gi save ang head of drug syndicate? lamdagi daw mi.... for illegal fishing kana siya is subject to proceeding, kay dili man na siya crime against person... pwede jud na ma tabang pa..


i hope ma lamdagan mi nimo sa ubang impormasyon nga imong nahibaw-an para atleast maka sabot sad mi nga ngano ana imong position...


we are all civil here, right?

1. kita btaw ko sa timeline unsa man nabuhat sa govt ? padala ra ug tawo ?

compare nimo sa Migrante.. mas detail pa ilang nabuhat concerning the plight of the family.


2. tell me ma save ba si MJ with MLAT ?

4. siya ra nag mention ug "celebrity"... ask gani ngano di pud sila pwede mag pa interview ? center stage bya sila in this event.

read pud iyang post.

5. Kadto Austalians head btaw to sila sila sa Bali Nine...



Im trying to keep my calm... wa na gani nako gi mention si Penoy dire just to get a decent conversation. Unsaon ta man naa man gud ganahan muhumot si Penoy.

[rafee]

ah..okay.. got your point sir @Romeojin .. I know tuyok2 ra gyud ta ani.. you'll keep on looking holes anyway.

Lets put it this way. (hopefully you understand unsa akong mga short comments about this issue..)
Kalimti lng sa na uban nimo gihuna2,.. focus sa ta imoha nang gipanulti..

1.

"Kung failed ang action ng government magpasalamat pud ka ?".

-----Of course not. simple. nothing to argue.
---- The issue is about MJ's mother reaction. Ok. Kung mag cge ug yawyaw iyahang mama sa kabati sa gobyerno, naa ba nay epekto pra DILI patyon ilang anak? focus lng ha.. ayaw i-general..

2.

"...ngano ingnan man pud sila sa government na dili mag pa interview ? celebrity lang diay interviewon"

---- Again, the issue is about MJ's mother reaction. Kung mag media interview iyahang mama, naa ba nay epekto pra DILI patyon ilang anak? again, focus lng ha.. ayaw i-general..

3.

"I hope i wont catch saying bad things against the government, cause i will be laughing."

---- ahehe..wala gyud ko niingon nga dili ko mo complain if naa ko makita nga sayop sa gov't.. Ngano niabot mn pud ni NAKO nga issue.. wa mn unta ko labot..

----- Sa kron nila nga case, Ingon ko mgpakahilom lng sa "as of this moment" cla nang celia ky postponement ra rba ang nhitabo.. They really need the BIG HELP from the gov't bodies.

Karon, mangayo ko ug tambag nimo: (OT)
Dghan mn kaha ka ug IDEA dha, pls share kung unsaon ni pagsulbad ning problemaha.. (I'm serious,.I'm not judging anyone) Wla pud ko ng mention ug pNoy, ako permente gisulti is gov't.

Kay kung wala kay ikatambag unsaon pagsulbad, meaning ana.., apil ka sa mga nagcge lng ug reklamo PERO walay ikasugyot or ikatabang...

[salbahis]

2. tell me ma save ba si MJ with MLAT ?

obviously you have NO idea what is MLAT, it wont save her, it would only gave her time, as soon as the proceeding sa iya recruiter ma human... indonesia will have no choice but to give her clemency, they are not stupid to jail an innocent person... thats will save her... basaha sa tong MLAT para masabtan nimo ug maayo on how it works... kay murag wala man siguro nimo mabasa...

FYI: Bali 9 is just a name they gave after they are caught there is no actual group nga Bali 9... i said humanitarian and not justice... australian wanted to stop the execution not free them.. basaha ang reason sa australia para masabtan nimo... clemency itself doesnt necessary to free, but rather an act of mercy....

in legal terms it means to lessen or moderate the harshness of the punishment... forgiving a crime its called amnesty remember those 2 words... para maka differentiate ka...

[Romeojin]

ah..okay.. got your point sir @Romeojin .. I know tuyok2 ra gyud ta ani.. you'll keep on looking holes anyway.

Lets put it this way. (hopefully you understand unsa akong mga short comments about this issue..)
Kalimti lng sa na uban nimo gihuna2,.. focus sa ta imoha nang gipanulti..
1. "Kung failed ang action ng government magpasalamat pud ka ?". Of course not. simple. nothing to argue.
---- The issue is about MJ's mother reaction. Ok. Kung mag cge ug yawyaw iyahang mama sa kabati sa gobyerno, naa ba nay epekto pra DILI patyon ilang anak? focus lng ha.. ayaw i-general..

2. "...ngano ingnan man pud sila sa government na dili mag pa interview ? celebrity lang diay interviewon"
---- Again, the issue is about MJ's mother reaction. Kung mag media interview iyahang mama, naa ba nay epekto pra DILI patyon ilang anak? again, focus lng ha.. ayaw i-general..

3. "I hope i wont catch saying bad things against the government, cause i will be laughing."
---- ahehe..wala gyud ko niingon nga dili ko mo complain if naa ko makita nga sayop sa gov't.. Ngano niabot mn pud ni NAKO nga issue.. wa mn unta ko labot..

----- Sa kron nila nga case, Ingon ko mgpakahilom lng sa "as of this moment" cla nang celia ky postponement ra rba ang nhitabo.. They really need the BIG HELP from the gov't bodies.

Karon, mangayo ko ug tambag nimo: (OT)
Dghan mn kaha ka ug IDEA dha, pls share kung unsaon ni pagsulbad ning problemaha.. (I'm serious,.I'm not judging anyone) Wla pud ko ng mention ug pNoy, ako permente gisulti is gov't.

Kay kung wala kay ikatambag unsaon pagsulbad, meaning ana.., apil ka sa mga nagcge lng ug reklamo PERO walay ikasugyot or ikatabang...

1. ang death sentence ni MJ were postponed never annulled... wa na gyud ta mahimo rather than clemency (prison sentence);
kahit clemency lisod na na kay wa gani nisugot sa plea and threat of foreign aid pullout sa Australia.

WALKING DEAD na si MJ... mao nag wild iyang mama wa natabangan sauna pa.

kanang MLAT para ra na sa recruiter ni MJ, dili pa pwede patyon si MJ kay naay case against sa iyang recruiter, need siya didto.


2. wala epekto, payback nalang against sa government. Personal opinion (im not saying mao sad ila opinion)... gi stop siya tungod bati against sa govt iyang isulti.


3. Bati gibuhat sa govt sa ilang case; si Miriam na nag-ingon ana... Di ba normal lang mag reklamo kung naa bati makit-an sa govt; mao na gibuhat sa iyang mama.


POSTPONE MOMENTARILY ang execution padayon lang gihapon na in due time.



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ang ako tambag sa sugod palang trabahuon na kay dili lang man ni isolated case, kapila nako kadungog aning govt inactions mao mabully ta sa lain nasud.

kahit dili criminals ang pinoy ang case; kanang foreigners nakapatay ug pinoy gigukod ba nato na sa other countries?