The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[Jhared]

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oh i beg to disagree bai, i think i got what you mean..by unconditional, you mean maski pa ug di ka mutuo sa Ginoo malangit gihapun ka..diba mao ni imung pasabut? and because there are teachings that says do this and do that otherwise you might not be saved..mao ka ingun ka nga conditional ang Love sa Ginoo and seeking to be reciprocated that is.. i think you're confused between Love and Salvation bai..
sama sa akong giingun, God's love is unconditional but Salvation is.

anyway, at least we are now able to establish that God's love is unconditional..hehehe unconditional in the sense that it does not choose race, disability, social standing and everything else..

kanang imung giingun nga obedience ug uban pa..that's for Salvation..that's where the conditions come in...mao ra nay punto nako bai..

wa may mausab sa Ginoo kung di ta musimba or mutuo niya, Ginoo man gihapun na..so God does not need His love to be reciprocated..when God says, do this or do that..it's for you and everyone else's salvation bai. because without God, there's only damnation..

No not really, i couldn't really care much, just here to do away with my extra time.. cause you know, work is harassing my mentality, so somehow i needed an outlet to kick-start it anew..

i didnt really mean it like that.. what i simply said is that his love is not ultimately without conditions, period, you know what i mean.. but of course if you think of it too deeply and ponder on it long enough you'd get all sorts of conclusions..

exactly, though we may interpret it as unconditional, but the fact of the matter is that it commands to be reciprocated, whether for salvation or whatnot.. and that, in my standards, is not unconditional..

nope, i'm afraid you got it all twisted bai, it should be like this, "I love you, that's why i paved the way for your salvation, i will reveal to you the ways for you to have that salvation, most of all i love you enough to let you decide on your own will even if your decision might break my heart..so i am giving you the will to choose between Life and Death"..karun kung di nimu pilion ang Ginoo? gi unsa gud intawn pagka wa niya naghigugma sa imu nga ikaw man muy wala nahigugma niya? this too is pretty elementary.. LOL

lol.. that's just a euphemism from what i said..

"i love you, but if you still do what you please, then its not my fault if i send you in this place i created for disobedient people like you, im washing my hands" - this statement, and your statement, and my statement before, may be different in tone, but talks about the same subject that proves the same thing... that twisted, and wicked notion of Christian salvation..

i'm sure you know what "indulgence" is. Perhaps it's the only way that they may know salvation despite of their disobedience..and the children as tragically one of the earliest martyrs..

you familiar with the biblical story about Jesus preaching to the imprisoned spirits just before He resurrected?
those spirits were the ones who disobeyed God, whose earthly lives perished in the flood..just like the people in sodom and gomorrah, in canaan and others because of their disobedience and Sin.

were they condemned eternally? No..otherwise Jesus wouldn't have come to them proclaiming about Salvation..loosing one's earthly life is far more better than to loose one's eternal soul in eternal damnation.. sometimes, death can be the only indulgence, in the same manner that Christ has to die in our bahalf so that we may know salvation..

lol.. they mustve been around in hell, for what, 2000 years?.. what for the mere fact that they rejected god? for drinking too much? for committing adultery?.. lol.. dont try to tell me they deserved to be burned in hell that long just because of those medial sins.. do your god really expects that makes them love him even more? what happened to his "throw a bread" philosophy? LOL.. well he should know better., you should know better..

by the way, kinsa nga bald insecure prophet imung pasabut bai? LOL

Elisha..

Love that simply gave up? what better fight could there be? nakasala imung anak, dunay balaod against it and corresponding punishment for such a crime..unsa pa man diayng klase nga fight imung gipangita?
so you'd rather let your son escape? knowing that he committed a crime? so unsaon naman lang tong gi rape ug gipatay niya? unsaon naman lang ang pamilya ato who seeks justice?
so kay love nimu imung anak, you'd let justice slip away? is this your idea of unconditional Love? doing away righteousness, justice and fairness for the sake of saving yourself from misery for doing the right thing? with all due respect i call that selfishness.

point is, we're able to establish that handing your son to the authorities does not diminish your Love for him. that my friend can be related to why God's love for you does not diminish even if it reaches to a point that you'll have to suffer the loss of your disbelief. God will let you go by the time that He should even if it breaks His heart but only because you wanted Him to..bottom line, imu nang decision..

i didnt say not make him pay for his wrongdoing.. im just saying that death penalty is too much a punishment for his crime.. cause i am in the understanding that life is not for us to take.. kung makarape akong anak, would death penalty be a fitting punishment for him? you think so but i dont... that is why under the auspices of our law, i will fight for the right that he may not be put to death because there is no such thing written in our legal system anymore.. life imprisonment yes, but death penalty i dont think so... for a court to impose death on my son would be a sham and illegal, a legal and moral atrocity,.. and for you to think that just shows how morally wrong you are... you have to give me a good example..

sayon rana bay noy, nakakita kog loophole sa inyong systema.. i will send my son to church, and change him through the intercession of the holy spirit and have him confess, and all his sins shall be forgiven, your church does not account for the victim however, as to what happens to her and her family, aw naa rna nila kong ilang mapasaylo akong anak, cause if they cant, aw silay mapaig sa impyerno (bwahahaha)... i will surely burn in hell for doing so, but at least my son will be saved, though not in this world, but in heaven... lol...

the intention and the length of time the offer would last are beside the point bai, i know what you mean by resources..kay ang free check up mag depend sa resources sa doctor..as well as intentions pud kay basin they're doing it out of obligation blah blah blah..i need you to set aside those things usa...

ang point diri is a certain doctor is offering a FREE CHECK UP regardless of who and what kind of patient there is..kana ra..the thought of this example lies on the part nga walay gipili ang doctor kung kinsay magpacheck up..
so is the doctor's offer unconditional?

of course its already unconditional, because you set aside the conditions.. lol..

So in general you are expressing a point of unconditionality where it simply meant nga gugma nga walay gipili, race, color, social status etc., thats indiscriminate love not unconditional.. know the difference..

[nikknikk]

lol, im just saying.. it only shows how ugly of a person you are..

If you think you should not offer them bisan piso then that's up to you., tithing is not limited to giving money to the church but can be done also through helping others etc..

me? ugly person? dnt thnk so hehehehe

bitaw bro mohatag man ko sa sibot pero dili sd kaau dako og ako lang sad huna hunaon nga ipuno to sa ipalit nila'g pagkaon hehehe

[Jhared]

me? ugly person? dnt thnk so hehehehe

bitaw bro mohatag man ko sa sibot pero dili sd kaau dako og ako lang sad huna hunaon nga ipuno to sa ipalit nila'g pagkaon hehehe

then i think that's alright..

[noy]

No not really, i couldn't really care much, just here to do away with my extra time.. cause you know, work is harassing my mentality, so somehow i needed an outlet to kick-start it anew..
i didnt really mean it like that.. what i simply said is that his love is not ultimately without conditions, period, you know what i mean.. but of course if you think of it too deeply and ponder on it long enough you'd get all sorts of conclusions..
exactly, though we may interpret it as unconditional, but the fact of the matter is that it commands to be reciprocated, whether for salvation or whatnot.. and that, in my standards, is not unconditional..
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Love and Salvation are not synonymous bai..
God can love you no matter what but will not save you if you don't want to be saved. choice man na nimu..God's Love does not demand to be reciprocated, kanang imung giingun nga kung di ka mu love sa Ginoo ma impierno ka..it is merely the effect of your actions.

lol.. that's just a euphemism from what i said..
"i love you, but if you still do what you please, then its not my fault if i send you in this place i created for disobedient people like you, im washing my hands" - this statement, and your statement, and my statement before, may be different in tone, but talks about the same subject that proves the same thing... that twisted, and wicked notion of Christian salvation..

hahaha! i'm not sure if kakuha ka sa akong pasabut or imu lang jud libog-libogon..Lol your example does not express attributes of love..kana pa lang daang "i'm washing my hands"?..way nahigugma nga ingun ana oi...
Letting you decide on your own going to damnation does not diminish God's love for you..like i said earlier, it is merely the effect of your actions.

lol.. they mustve been around in hell, for what, 2000 years?.. what for the mere fact that they rejected god? for drinking too much? for committing adultery?.. lol.. dont try to tell me they deserved to be burned in hell that long just because of those medial sins.. do your god really expects that makes them love him even more? what happened to his "throw a bread" philosophy? LOL.. well he should know better., you should know better..

kinsa may ingun nga tua sila sa Hell? in Hell, there's no hope for salvation, why would Jesus preach there?..in Heaven, there's no need for a prison..

medial sins? imagine what a man does or can do if every inclination of his heart is evil (Gen 6:5), that's what people did back then..
Yet, for those who repented..although their earthly lives perished and waited perhaps a thousand years for a savior...at least dunay kaluwasan.. that's justice and mercy.
mao bitaw ingun ko perhaps death is the only indulgence that they had to know salvation.

the throw a bread philosophy is one of the fulfillments of the old Law.. panahon na sa NT . kadtong panahona eye for an eye pa to..

Elisha..

oh ok. kadto diay imung pasabut..
those were not necessarily little children, some translations use youth. they're probably just as young as Elisha.. anyway, mocking Elisha was in a way mocking God as well. a sin that is considered to be so great in pre messianic times..the same sin that caused the genesis flood, desctruction of sodom and gomorrah and the likes..

i didnt say not make him pay for his wrongdoing.. im just saying that death penalty is too much a punishment for his crime.. cause i am in the understanding that life is not for us to take.. kung makarape akong anak, would death penalty be a fitting punishment for him? you think so but i dont... that is why under the auspices of our law, i will fight for the right that he may not be put to death because there is no such thing written in our legal system anymore.. life imprisonment yes, but death penalty i dont think so... for a court to impose death on my son would be a sham and illegal, a legal and moral atrocity,.. and for you to think that just shows how morally wrong you are... you have to give me a good example..

whoah! hold your horses bai..hehehe first of all that was just an example and the point of that example is not aimed at the court's verdict which is "death penalty"
but rather to what you would do for righteousness and justice sake and if ever your decision would not be found in favor of your son, would it diminish your love for him...that's it..personally i'm not in favor of death penalty either..

second of all, death penalty is legal to some countries for rape and murder cases..
so technically it was a valid example.
so based on your asnwer above, you'd turn your son in. now, does that diminish your love for him?

sayon rana bay noy, nakakita kog loophole sa inyong systema.. i will send my son to church, and change him through the intercession of the holy spirit and have him confess, and all his sins shall be forgiven, your church does not account for the victim however, as to what happens to her and her family, aw naa rna nila kong ilang mapasaylo akong anak, cause if they cant, aw silay mapaig sa impyerno (bwahahaha)... i will surely burn in hell for doing so, but at least my son will be saved, though not in this world, but in heaven... lol...

hahaha! if ever the example i gave will come to a reality in the future (God forbid), then at least you got it all figured out.. Lol

of course its already unconditional, because you set aside the conditions.. lol..

So in general you are expressing a point of unconditionality where it simply meant nga gugma nga walay gipili, race, color, social status etc., thats indiscriminate love not unconditional.. know the difference..

indiscriminate points specifically to race, gender and social status..we're talking about a whosoever bai.. that means it surpasses the issue of race, gender and social status..it goes as far as everything there is in a person..and regardless of what's in there..you are welcome..now is that conditional?

so the free check up for everyone then is unconditional. but in order to avail that offer, certain conditions would follow.. 1. you have to go to the doctor..2. you have to tell the doctor everything. 3. you have to follow the doctors advice..the list goes on..until you are healed.
now, if you don't go to the doctor of course you wouldn't be healed from your illness..
now with you not getting healed, does that diminish the Doctor's free check up offer? No.
so if a soul would not claim the salvation Christ has purchased on the cross, would it diminish His love for that soul if that soul would go to hell? i don't think so.

[nikknikk]

then i think that's alright..

Yeah! Alrighty!

[Jhared]

Love and Salvation are not synonymous bai..
God can love you no matter what but will not save you if you don't want to be saved. choice man na nimu..God's Love does not demand to be reciprocated, kanang imung giingun nga kung di ka mu love sa Ginoo ma impierno ka..it is merely the effect of your actions.

lol, not demand to be reciprocated?.. but you have to do this and that?

hahaha! i'm not sure if kakuha ka sa akong pasabut or imu lang jud libog-libogon..Lol your example does not express attributes of love..kana pa lang daang "i'm washing my hands"?..way nahigugma nga ingun ana oi...
Letting you decide on your own going to damnation does not diminish God's love for you..like i said earlier, it is merely the effect of your actions.

lol, damn right he's washing his hands, and yes exactly way nahigugma that does that.. just like Pontius to Jesus, he doesnt really care about him, he just wants to shut the people up.. your god is like that, because in damning people to hell and let them burn forever because of some petty sins he has nothing to lose, so he just leaves them there., and tell them i told you so..

kinsa may ingun nga tua sila sa Hell? in Hell, there's no hope for salvation, why would Jesus preach there?..in Heaven, there's no need for a prison..

medial sins? imagine what a man does or can do if every inclination of his heart is evil (Gen 6:5), that's what people did back then..
Yet, for those who repented..although their earthly lives perished and waited perhaps a thousand years for a savior...at least dunay kaluwasan.. that's justice and mercy.
mao bitaw ingun ko perhaps death is the only indulgence that they had to know salvation.

the throw a bread philosophy is one of the fulfillments of the old Law.. panahon na sa NT . kadtong panahona eye for an eye pa to..

hmmm let me remember,. ah yes a priest in his homily once said that...

lol.. old law? so it's eye for an eye now? oh wait eternal damnation for an eye.. isn't the message of the NT about humility, forgiveness, and offer-the-other-cheek kind of thing?

oh ok. kadto diay imung pasabut..
those were not necessarily little children, some translations use youth. they're probably just as young as Elisha.. anyway, mocking Elisha was in a way mocking God as well. a sin that is considered to be so great in pre messianic times..the same sin that caused the genesis flood, desctruction of sodom and gomorrah and the likes..

doesnt really matter how old they were.. lol
like i said for an all knowing god, sin should not be relative with time.. past or future.. it's a great price to pay just by simply mocking.. sama rana atong sa Charlie Hebdo., even worse.. and i thought you were sensible enough to see pass that.. you've proven me wrong..

whoah! hold your horses bai..hehehe first of all that was just an example and the point of that example is not aimed at the court's verdict which is "death penalty"
but rather to what you would do for righteousness and justice sake and if ever your decision would not be found in favor of your son, would it diminish your love for him...that's it..personally i'm not in favor of death penalty either..

second of all, death penalty is legal to some countries for rape and murder cases..
so technically it was a valid example.
so based on your asnwer above, you'd turn your son in. now, does that diminish your love for him?

if i turn in my son, that's like saying that there is no more chance for him to change, that ive given up on the fact that any person can change.. my care for the law would exceed my love for my son, given that i still do, but id like to think that love diminished because of what he did, i mean who loves a person who rapes women..

hahaha! if ever the example i gave will come to a reality in the future (God forbid), then at least you got it all figured out.. Lol

Scare tactic, oh please.. seriously?

indiscriminate points specifically to race, gender and social status..we're talking about a whosoever bai.. that means it surpasses the issue of race, gender and social status..it goes as far as everything there is in a person..and regardless of what's in there..you are welcome..now is that conditional?

no, but given that you don't have ebola, lol..

so the free check up for everyone then is unconditional. but in order to avail that offer, certain conditions would follow.. 1. you have to go to the doctor..2. you have to tell the doctor everything. 3. you have to follow the doctors advice..the list goes on..until you are healed.
now, if you don't go to the doctor of course you wouldn't be healed from your illness..
now with you not getting healed, does that diminish the Doctor's free check up offer? No.
so if a soul would not claim the salvation Christ has purchased on the cross, would it diminish His love for that soul if that soul would go to hell? i don't think so.

he loves his job of curing people, not the people he is curing.. that's why he is helping indiscriminately, but does he go to the extent of looking after the patients until they are cured, not really, therefore his love is in his job, helping people is just a bonus...

[noy]

lol, not demand to be reciprocated?.. but you have to do this and that?

hahaha! so when a father teaches his son about manners..example muingon siya, dapat mutahud ka namu nak kay ginikanan man mi nimu...is the father demanding his love to be reciprocated with respect? No..when God tells you to do this or that, it is for your salvation..kapila ni nato balik-balikon bai?Lol
kung conditional pa lage ang gugma sa Ginoo..pagpalansang niya ingun unta to siya para ra ni sa mga mutuo nako akong pagpalansang way labut sa jhared kay atheist..hehehehe

lol, damn right he's washing his hands, and yes exactly way nahigugma that does that.. just like Pontius to Jesus, he doesnt really care about him, he just wants to shut the people up.. your god is like that, because in damning people to hell and let them burn forever because of some petty sins he has nothing to lose, so he just leaves them there., and tell them i told you so..

did Pilate loved Jesus? Lol sayop imung comparison bai..hehehe
if God didn't love His people, nganu nagpalansang pa man si Jesus?

hmmm let me remember,. ah yes a priest in his homily once said that...

nah, a priest's homily does not define the Church's theology..

lol.. old law? so it's eye for an eye now? oh wait eternal damnation for an eye.. isn't the message of the NT about humility, forgiveness, and offer-the-other-cheek kind of thing?

mao gani, we were talking about the old testament diba?mao ingun ko nga kanang "turn the other cheek" is a fulfillment of the old law, therefore naa sa NT.. kay ning demand man ka ug turn your other cheek for those people who perished in the old testament..in other words, wa pay turn your other cheek atong panahona..

doesnt really matter how old they were.. lol
like i said for an all knowing god, sin should not be relative with time.. past or future.. it's a great price to pay just by simply mocking.. sama rana atong sa Charlie Hebdo., even worse.. and i thought you were sensible enough to see pass that.. you've proven me wrong..

sa OT bai, ang tao maoy mubayad sa iyang sala. mao ang tao mauy mag-ihaw ug mamanap, magsunog ug maghalad sa Ginoo..Ang tao pud directa ang mudawat sa sintensya right then and there whenever makasala..wala pay mediator atong panahona..Ang mockery sa Ginoo, dako kaayo na nga sala..even karun ..ang lahi lang sa ato karun kay duna na tay Jesus nga ning salo ug mu salo sa atong mga sala..mao bitaw ning ingun ko PRE-MESSIANIC times..

i thought you understood the relationship between Old and New Testament..you've proven me wrong...hehehe

if i turn in my son, that's like saying that there is no more chance for him to change, that ive given up on the fact that any person can change.. my care for the law would exceed my love for my son, given that i still do, but id like to think that love diminished because of what he did,

turning your son in is the right thing to do because you personally heard him confess that he raped and killed a woman. it doesn't mean that you love the law more than your son nor you love him less because of what he's done.. it's a simple matter of conscience..
now, if your love for your son should diminish for what he's done, then i'm afraid i made a mistake in making you as an example of a father who is capable of loving his son unconditionally..

i mean who loves a person who rapes women..

There's Jesus bai...mao bitaw nagpalansang siya sa cross para sa tanan..apil na mga rapist ug killer sa iyang sakripisyo.
however, i would have to give credit to some parents..though most if not all of them would resort to denial of their son's crime and then do away justice and righteousness.

Scare tactic, oh please.. seriously?

not really, more like sarcasm..Lol

no, but given that you don't have ebola, lol..

probably.LOL until then, it's unconditional.

he loves his job of curing people, not the people he is curing.. that's why he is helping indiscriminately, but does he go to the extent of looking after the patients until they are cured, not really, therefore his love is in his job, helping people is just a bonus...

well since we're comparing this doctor to God..let's say he is "saint-like" and "super rich" and does look after his patients until they are cured. this then takes us back to the question, if a patient wouldn't go to the Doctor , Does that diminish the doctor's offer and goodness?

[Jhared]

hahaha! so when a father teaches his son about manners..example muingon siya, dapat mutahud ka namu nak kay ginikanan man mi nimu...is the father demanding his love to be reciprocated with respect? No..when God tells you to do this or that, it is for your salvation..kapila ni nato balik-balikon bai?Lol
kung conditional pa lage ang gugma sa Ginoo..pagpalansang niya ingun unta to siya para ra ni sa mga mutuo nako akong pagpalansang way labut sa jhared kay atheist..hehehehe

Yes, and that makes it conditional.. i love you, i want you to change, therefore do this and that for your own good.. and dont forget to love me back, else ill burn you.. amen.. kapila sad na nato balikbalikon...

did Pilate loved Jesus? Lol sayop imung comparison bai..hehehe
if God didn't love His people, nganu nagpalansang pa man si Jesus?

it was never really intended to be a comparison, just an example to express my point about washing of hands,..
lol..

hmmm, because his strategy of genocide in the past didnt work?, so he came up with a better brainwashing strategy?

nah, a priest's homily does not define the Church's theology..

yes it does.., chain of authority my friend, pope > cardinal > Archbishop > Bishop > Monsignor > Priest > Deacon > Laity > Some people > noy..

being that they are adjuncts to the pope and pope to god., therefore it is in our understanding that whatever they say on the altar is a true christian dogma.. except sa mga istorbot2..

mao gani, we were talking about the old testament diba?mao ingun ko nga kanang "turn the other cheek" is a fulfillment of the old law, therefore naa sa NT.. kay ning demand man ka ug turn your other cheek for those people who perished in the old testament..in other words, wa pay turn your other cheek atong panahona..

sa OT bai, ang tao maoy mubayad sa iyang sala. mao ang tao mauy mag-ihaw ug mamanap, magsunog ug maghalad sa Ginoo..Ang tao pud directa ang mudawat sa sintensya right then and there whenever makasala..wala pay mediator atong panahona..Ang mockery sa Ginoo, dako kaayo na nga sala..even karun ..ang lahi lang sa ato karun kay duna na tay Jesus nga ning salo ug mu salo sa atong mga sala..mao bitaw ning ingun ko PRE-MESSIANIC times..

i thought you understood the relationship between Old and New Testament..you've proven me wrong...hehehe

ok i mustve read it wrong.. although, like i said, for an all knowing god, morality and punishment for him should not be relative with anything especially with time and culture..

turning your son in is the right thing to do because you personally heard him confess that he raped and killed a woman. it doesn't mean that you love the law more than your son nor you love him less because of what he's done.. it's a simple matter of conscience..

no, changing him is the right thing to do., but that's being hypocritical., so ya, if your notion of unconditional love is damning the people you love, then how can i argue with that...

now, if your love for your son should diminish for what he's done, then i'm afraid i made a mistake in making you as an example of a father who is capable of loving his son unconditionally..

sneaky, i didnt see that coming.. hehe, well because personally i believe in altruism, not unconditional love.. but that can be argued, hence this conversation..

There's Jesus bai...mao bitaw nagpalansang siya sa cross para sa tanan..apil na mga rapist ug killer sa iyang sakripisyo.
however, i would have to give credit to some parents..though most if not all of them would resort to denial of their son's crime and then do away justice and righteousness.

not really, more like sarcasm..Lol

well since we're comparing this doctor to God..let's say he is "saint-like" and "super rich" and does look after his patients until they are cured. this then takes us back to the question, if a patient wouldn't go to the Doctor , Does that diminish the doctor's offer and goodness?

hahaha, sneaky,.. but it proves nothing but the love for his cause, not the patients, cause a saint-like-super-rich-capable-of-loving-patients- unconditionally would look for his patients if he/she refuses his offer.. and cry like a butchered pig when they die..

[noy]

Yes, and that makes it conditional.. i love you, i want you to change, therefore do this and that for your own good.. and dont forget to love me back, else ill burn you.. amen.. kapila sad na nato balikbalikon...

Jesus died on the cross for the salvation of ALL men.. for the murderers, adulterers, for those who deny him, those who mock and hate him...and for those who love him..all the same..is that conditional?

it was never really intended to be a comparison, just an example to express my point about washing of hands,..
lol..

there was no point to begin with, there's never gonna be a washing of hands for God..on the contrary, He is the judge.
though His heart may break to see a soul go to Hell but if the soul deserves it, then He who is righteous will judge righteously..

hmmm, because his strategy of genocide in the past didnt work?, so he came up with a better brainwashing strategy?

Nope. not really. so you do acknowledge that Christ's sacrifice was indeed unconditional?

yes it does.., chain of authority my friend, pope > cardinal > Archbishop > Bishop > Monsignor > Priest > Deacon > Laity > Some people > noy..
being that they are adjuncts to the pope and pope to god., therefore it is in our understanding that whatever they say on the altar is a true christian dogma.. except sa mga istorbot2..

Nope, i'm afraid it doesn't. the teachings should be inline with the Church's Catechism or the magisterium. otherwise a priest is merely expressing a point of view during homily..or worse, an incorrect theology..murag math teacher bai ba..maski pa ug board passer na..pero magtudlo gani na ug 1+1=3, sayop jud na siya and is not teaching according to the fundamentals of mathematics.

however; by hell, the priest could be referring to the "realm of the dead".
the realm does not point out to the Hell where the eternal fire burns because of the Fact that Jesus preached there about salvation..it would've been better if the priest used the word purgatory to avoid confusion.

ok i mustve read it wrong.. although, like i said, for an all knowing god, morality and punishment for him should not be relative with anything especially with time and culture..

OT was a preparation for NT. naturally, we can't jump from A to Z skipping everything in between can we? with the OT not having the messiah just yet, deprensya jud ang paagi sa Ginoo..

no, changing him is the right thing to do., but that's being hypocritical., so ya, if your notion of unconditional love is damning the people you love, then how can i argue with that...

you have a strange way of understanding the things i say..never did i say either in a direct or indirect fashion that damning the people is unconditional Love.
ang point diri bai kay: does executing justice even if it cost you your happiness or the ones you love diminish your love for them? Not necessarily, you are being JUST. that's all.
guilty man jud bai kay with all honesty, he confessed nga siya ang nagrape ug nagpatay..unsa pa man diay angay buhaton?
change him? sure..how? by letting him escape?where's justice in that?

sneaky, i didnt see that coming.. hehe, well because personally i believe in altruism, not unconditional love.. but that can be argued, hence this conversation...

hmmm..a father loves his son, he set rules and guidelines to shape his son's morals. as a teenager, his son rebelled against him and ran away from home..the son may or never return to their home but the father loves his son the same. does the father love his son unconditionally?

hahaha, sneaky,.. but it proves nothing but the love for his cause, not the patients, cause a saint-like-super-rich-capable-of-loving-patients- unconditionally would look for his patients if he/she refuses his offer.. and cry like a butchered pig when they die..

well, while we were refusing and denying God and His Salvation, Jesus came anyway..He didn't just cry over our sins, He even died for it..

[noy]

move on na siguro ta sa next question..