View Poll Results: All out War or Peace??

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  • War

    70 78.65%
  • Peace

    19 21.35%
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  1. #91

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Mermaid88 View Post
    but if we chose the other option, are we also sure that we can sustain it?
    mo salo ko ani ha ... ug ang pasabot sa the other option which i understand is war ... yes kaya kaau e sustain kay nagdawat ang Goberno ug Taxes unya ang Pilipinos kay ning abot na ug 100 Million .. dili na mahurot

  2. #92

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    Unsaon man ninyo kuno pag peace beh if ang other party is naay mga tawo nga pareha anig pangutok? Makig peace talk lang japon ka sa in-ani nga klase sa mga tawo?

  3. #93

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    Quote Originally Posted by marius View Post
    wala nimo ma getz padir slabs ang pasabot ni boss prukutung ... sakto gyud bitaw cya na sa gubat, naa gyud casualties sa both sides. balik ta gamay sa panahon ni Erap ... unsay nahitabo adto, kulata ni Erap ang mga muklo, kuha gud niya ang camp sa mga muklo. and then, naa ba tay na hear na mga insurgencies after adto ??
    actually boss mar nakasabot kos iyang point regarding casualties both sides, mao man bitaw maypa likayan nalang kay mao raman gihapon ang outcome, wala gihapon nakuha ang kalinaw, naa pay mapagan nga way labot (civilian).

    regarding sa time ni erap, gigubat niya ang mindanao (all out war daw) pero ang resulta, naa lang gihapon ang maong gropo, during that time (war) naa patay mabalitaan nga mismo ang mga militar ang mang ransak sa mga panimalay sa mga sibelyan nga na ipit sa gyera.

    pero kung atong balikan ug gamay ang panghitabo, ug atong tan-awon guwas sa kahon (outside the box) sa wala pa siya (erap) mo wage ug war, kusog kaayo ang iyang issue ato sa plunder case, tanan camera sa media diha naka tutok niya, pero pag wage niya sa gyera sa mindanao, wagtang sad tanan camera sa malacañang. sa akong tan-aw, kaning gyera sa mindanao gigamit rani sa mga politicians para deiversion tactics.

    Quote Originally Posted by marius View Post
    dba, nahilum man, ang issue ra adto permi kay sa Fertilizer Scam ni Madam Gloria. pasabot adto, naa gyud to nindot na result ang pag all-out-war ni erap .... coz nahilum gud sila ... BUT .. wala gyud ma totally wipe out ni erap ang mga muklo, igo ra niya na pi-angan ....
    pag-abot sa time ni gloria..kusog nasad ang corruption fertilize fund scam, pero bright ra gyud kaayo nis gloria, nisibaw nasad ang magdalo group posible diversion tactics nasad, siya (gloria) ang target pero kahibaw siya dili mo success kay sakto niyag pakaon iyang mga generals, naa man gani issue last year lang na si binay ang nag pundo nilang trillianes, pero note nga si binay itoy2x sad ni gloria anang panahona.

    Quote Originally Posted by marius View Post
    karon raman na nibalik ug isog ang mga muklo sa panahon ni abnoy ... dako kau ug sipyat si abnoy adtong iya gi-approve ang BansangMOro. mura man nuon iya gyud tagaan ug approval ang mga muklo na mag himu ug stronghold ... weak ra kau and corrupt ra kau ang government karon mao nang patuyang ra ang mga muklo karon ug himu ug terrorism.
    karon nabalik nasad ning mga moklo...natural rani kay wala gyud ni silay plano nga puohon ning gropoha, kay dako nig gamit nila labi na during elections, ug posible sad nga dili gyud ni kayang gubaton sa pagka karon kay huyang kaayo atong national forces in terms of national defense. sa ako ng unang punto sa mga nilabay nakong posts, ngano man kuno nga tua man didto nagtago ang international terrorist? nagpasabot lang na nga kining gropoha duna ni dakong kalimbigitan sa mga terroristang hugpong internasyonal.

    kung gubaton gyud ni sila, unsay atong garantiya nga dili mapagan ang mga way labot? labi ng mga nagtrabaho diha sa muslim countries? what if kung ato ni sila gobaton ang pilipinas na noon unya ang unang target sa terrorist kay atong gibungkag ang usa sa ilang mga sangay, kaya kaha nato depensahan ang pilipinas? siguro mao sad ni usa sa dakong rason ngano dili gyud mo pasagad ug engage ug war ang atong gobyerno, kadaghan ug mayng laki diha sa malacañang nga mga advisers ni opao pero ngano wala man gyud na nila buhata?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amingb View Post
    mo salo ko ani ha ... ug ang pasabot sa the other option which i understand is war ... yes kaya kaau e sustain kay nagdawat ang Goberno ug Taxes unya ang Pilipinos kay ning abot na ug 100 Million .. dili na mahurot
    pila gani each ang bala sa motar? 100 million tax e sustain nimo sa war? unsa may gamiton nimo atong mga nangagi nga kalamidad? unsa may gamiton nimo sa mga ongoing projects? unsa may gamiton nimo para gahin sa national budget kung ihurot nimo sa gubat? aykog ingna pakan-on nimog basiyo sa bala tong ubang lugar nga wala maapil sa gubat kadtong mga lugar nga nagkinahanglan ug pundo gikan sa national treasury

    anyways naa baya ko mga question bro sa ako mga previous post wala natubag.

  4. #94

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    Peace of course.

    Given the current chain of command in our military. All-out-war will never work. Only those in the business will benefit from it. Living thousands dead, injured, homeless and taking refuge.

  5. #95

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    so magsige nalang ta hagad sa mga way labot ug padayunon nato ning mga terorista? Naai mga paagi nga malikayan nang collateral damage pero iapil nana sa expectations nga naay damage jud.. asay mas bug-at ang mag-sige na sila ug pamatay o kas-ang gubat para mawala jud na sila?

    what if magpuyo nalang d-i sila ug malinawon sa Mindanao nga d na kailangan maghimo ug ilang kaugalingong gobyerno? under the Philippine flag paman gihapon na diha lugara ngano mu-tolerate man ta ug mga rebelde?

    equal rata mga kristyano muslim atheist etc pero kung maghimo naka ug imong kaugalingong gobyerno sulod sa isa ka gobyerno mura'g dili nana maayo.. and besides unsa mai sakto anang MILF ug BIFF ba? kung dili na sila terrorista unsa mana sila? Wala man pud siguro nato na sila gi-descriminate mga muslim diha para makig-gubat jud sila..

    Wala lang jud ni ngipon atoa gobyerno ron..

  6. #96

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    The price of war

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    By Giano M. Libot
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    Tuesday, February 3, 2015


    THE last time the cattle calls of war were spoken and executed, the Philippine government, then led by President Joseph Estrada, spent an unenviable total of P6 billion to finance its all-out-war campaign against the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, War it seems is no cheap price to pay.

    In 2005, a United Nations report detailed the costs of casualty during this period, in his two and a half years of presidency, his campaigned managed to incur 471 MILF rebels and 222 government soldiers as fatalities, and in the same report had the number of injured combatants come up to a total of 431.

    This statistic barely illustrates the horrors of this option, beyond the price the armed combatants have to suffer, the local population – civilians caught in the cross fire have to endure severe conditions, either they are caught as part of the collateral damage, a staggering numbering considering they are defenseless, or you have massive displacement, people losing their homes for an uncertain period, and their entire way of life either suspended or just completely shattered.

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    The displacement studies done in the war accost regions of Mindanao detail an induced nomadic behavior that the local population have to suffer, it’s not only actual war that makes life cruel, but even the threat of a looming one has forced thousands of civilians to flee their places of origin, you ask someone from the remote areas of southern Mindanao, and you will realize that their current location is not where they grew up, either forced out of fear, or have the place completely unsafe for any return because of protracted violence.

    This result of internal displacement presents a vicious cycle for those affected by it, the lack of certainty of where they should go can already be paralleled to the recent calamities the country has had to endure, the same way that people from the coast are no longer able to go back to their homes because of the destruction caused by Yolanda, the civilians who’s lands are going to be venues for the battle will have lost their homes as well.

    The premise for the argument of supporting an all-out-war is under the fragile presumption that by raiding the headquarters, and virtually reducing the armed strength of a rebel group, the state can force it into submission, the mistake is in believing that force can crush ideology, but the Moro struggle is historical, and ideological, and it will always endure, forcing the gauntlet of the state only fuels more this behavior of rebellion. Quite often even making more moderate forces of the ideology – those that are more likely to accept compromise and seek a more viable political solution lose faith in the state, and be tempted by more fundamentalist and extremist forces.

    There is no one way solution for the problems of Mindanao, peace is a jigsaw puzzle we’ve tried for many years to solve, but an all-out-war is horrendous in that it presumes the puzzle can be simply be eradicated, it cannot, and it never will, the only way to deal with it is to find all the right pieces, and look at the most progressive solution, and that’s through compromise.


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  7. #97

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabs17 View Post
    gutomon rana sila para way usik bala....e quarantine ang tibuok area, way makasud or makaguwas, e poison ilang water supply
    gubaton ghapon ka ana nila.. wa jd ka kasabot maski unsaon, war is inevitable maski unsa pa imo buhaton kung mao ning klase sa tawo (MI/ABU/BIFF) ang imong atubangon. gets? cge kuha nag soldering iron.. ma enlist na ta sa gubat.

  8. #98

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    peace is what everyone are aiming for. there have been lots of peace negotiations and treaties but peace is still underachieved. Peace negotiation is where the monkey business happens. Enough chances and peace-talks! Wake up! Let's wipe them out!

  9. #99

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    Quote Originally Posted by prukutung View Post
    so magsige nalang ta hagad sa mga way labot ug padayunon nato ning mga terorista? Naai mga paagi nga malikayan nang collateral damage pero iapil nana sa expectations nga naay damage jud.. asay mas bug-at ang mag-sige na sila ug pamatay o kas-ang gubat para mawala jud na sila?
    Are you commenting about the Raid?
    If you dont KNOW the Police went into their turf in the middle of the night with Guns, considering theres an ongoing Peace talk and theres an ongoing tension between the 2 camps. So murag DILI man cguro matawag nga PATAKA ug pamatay kay They are in war Zone carrying guns.

    Lahi guro ang istorya if mga Unarmmed Men ilang gipamatay.

    Although sayop Ghapon ilang gibuhat pero Both sides dunay pagkuwang...

  10. #100

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    it's not all about war nor peace it's all about business!

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