Evolution Original Sin and Everything in Between in Harmony?

[bcasabee]

Yeah you got me in there. But I didn't mean to refer that to all the athiest, just the athiest in here who thinks that way, at least just the creation of the universe and nothing more.

The topic of the discussion between the two of us was about the "origin of the universe" as viewed by the creationist(God doesn't play dice) and athiest(God does gamble).


dont misconstrue that people who dont believe in God thinks that everything is a gamble. Ye should read Dawkins. The blind watchmaker.


Oh really, now I know. Thanks. But I know I have read it somewhere that guote before in a science magazine featuring Einstein. We'll Einstein might have borrowed it from Stephen Hawkins. And Einstein is a theoritical physicist too according to the wiki I jut read. As the saying goes, "birds of the same feather, flock together". Everything makes sense.


"God doesnt play dice" is a quote from the eminent Theoretical physicist Stephen Hawkins.

[bcasabee]

Yes I agree. This guys is very much knowledgeable in this field.

i love how the mind of The_child works,hehehe

Do you study buddhism? I just find some of your ideas very buddhist.

[BushidoFMA]

@The_child

I know one when i see one! hehehe

well thats what buddhism is all about...they dont even believe in buddhism.hahahahaaha confusing to the ignorant tho.

you have a superiro knowledge thumbs up!

[The_Child]

OT: oh no not me. ye should point to nemmo.

[mr.ho_chia2]

ow ok. you and nemmo nalang then........

[bcasabee]

As far as I know, time is just a way of measure. An example is the recording of events, like if you are observing a constant moving car and plot its acceleration, speed vs time (as in y versus x axis on a plane of a graphical paper) you will see a straight line. If the car is accelerating constantly, you will see on your graph, still a straight line, but at a different inclination or steepness or slope if you can remember your highschool mathematics. But once the car is accelerating and deccelerating back and forth and at a constant amount of change, you will see a non-linear line, though still predictable since the change is constant and being done repeatedly. But certainly it is not the time that makes your plot non-linear, it is the event that is happening on the car.

Compare this with the events happening in the heavenly bodies. Planets revolve around the sun in a predictable fashion, the universe are expanding rapidly outward at a constant rate according to physicists/astronomers. They will say that out there, there is also chaos, like the explosion of a dying sun, but all of this are just part of the constant cycle of death and birth. Even the way we communicate and the way the sun gives its energy to our planet, those are transmitted in a sinusoidal pattern, though non-linear, but is still predictable. So since order and predictability is generally present in the universe, I would say that this is a law and gambling is about probability and not predictability. It might make sense that in religious context, that generally gambling is a sin because it is not part of the universal law of order and predictability. Well, just take away the religious implications, and the idea is still there because I believe it is a universal truth.

With respect to the order of events during the creation of the universe, it is very ridiculous to equate this with the order of events in which God created the universe in Genesis. The only things that I learned in Genesis are: That everything was put in place in a state of order, That you don't have to work more than you need to, That every action should be done at the right place and at the right time and the last but not the least, you should take the time out for rest and recreration everynow and then.

Well this is just my own idea or borrowed idea of linearity or non-linearity is which may not be the same as the linearity or non-linearity that The_Child is referring to.

And see, Aristotole's idea? Ning coincide sa kang Einstein, in the beginning, the universe was created In my opninon i dont think Einstein directly

believes in the linearity of time and thus the linearity of the creation of the world. Im not sure though. And Aristotle? no comment.

[anti-christ]

Ohio.....

Thanks for the tip bro.....I just want to clarify that I have nothing against science, specifically the human evolution theory, even if it is just a theory and not a "fact" as some other guy in this thread had claimed that it is a fact. It will only become a fact when it is really proven again and again through observation and thus it will become a law, such as the natural law of gravity. The law of gravity is a fact, right?. But nevertheless, I support the idea of human evolution, vis a vis with the idea of Adam and Eve.
I even support the idea of humans to further evolve. I believe we will become lilfe forms of higher level. We can travel through space without any ship. We will be able to see nature so clearly with our new senses. Our reality will change, as currently, we are only limited to our 5 senses(just as the "lower forms of animals in the animal kingdom" are limited only to their primitive senses) thus blind to other things which we thought are non-existent.

Honestly, I don't care to side with which one view is correct, because the way I see it, there is really no legitimate conflict between the two. It won't hurt me in anyway if I accept both of those two ideas. Its just a matter of tweaking here and there so that it will be useful to my practical life. In other words, by being creative enough in making chaotic things or ideas in harmony, you can design your way of life intelligently so that you'll enjoy it. And for me, intelligent design is a fact and a natural law, because I have seen many people doing it over and over again in their practical human activity and were successful.

Sorry if I don't have the answer on whom to trust or to reject because I trust both. I am not the extremist type of guy. I am not going to ask you the same question cause I feel its just a useless exercise.

you missed one point, evolution is a theory. it's not an absolute truth.
with Pope Joe the"Rat" however he is the is second pope to believe in evolution. Evolution is a theory. It doesn't ask people to believe in it.

and inteligent design is a pseudoscience, it'd shine better in the branch of philosophy.*i think JWBush signed a bill to teach that crap on political science. i guess your god loves this country too much.hahaha

for one to buy that, evolution with original sin*eventhogh they cant put the pieces together*, i admire your faith....
admire not envy.haha

[JX]

you missed one point, evolution is a theory. it's not an absolute truth.
with Pope Joe the"Rat" however he is the is second pope to believe in evolution. Evolution is a theory. It doesn't ask people to believe in it.

and inteligent design is a pseudoscience, it'd shine better in the branch of philosophy.*i think JWBush signed a bill to teach that crap on political science. i guess your god loves this country too much.hahaha

for one to buy that, evolution with original sin*eventhogh they cant put the pieces together*, i admire your faith....
admire not envy.haha

In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population from generation to generation. These traits are the expression of genes that are copied and passed on to offspring during reproduction. Mutations in these genes can produce new or altered traits, resulting in heritable differences (genetic variation) between organisms.

In biology, mutations are changes to the base pair sequence of genetic material (either DNA or RNA). Mutations can be caused by copying errors in the genetic material during cell division and by exposure to ultraviolet or ionizing radiation, chemical mutagens, or viruses, or can occur deliberately under cellular control during processes such as meiosis or hypermutation.

-wiki

It is a fact that Human genes continues to mutate from the start up to until now.

[anti-christ]

In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population from generation to generation. These traits are the expression of genes that are copied and passed on to offspring during reproduction. Mutations in these genes can produce new or altered traits, resulting in heritable differences (genetic variation) between organisms.

In biology, mutations are changes to the base pair sequence of genetic material (either DNA or RNA). Mutations can be caused by copying errors in the genetic material during cell division and by exposure to ultraviolet or ionizing radiation, chemical mutagens, or viruses, or can occur deliberately under cellular control during processes such as meiosis or hypermutation.

-wiki

It is a fact that Human genes continues to mutate from the start up to until now.

so?
where's the part where you put the original sin...

[JX]

@anti-C

relaks lng, padung pa lng ta.. hehehe.