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    Quote Originally Posted by Santa Mama View Post
    kung naay murder case, mupatay sad kag usab para mahibal-an jud nimo kung unsay nahitabo??

    di ba mas sensible kung imbestigahan nato ang available evidence
    - duh, murag arang lisoda na jd sa imong gi example.. ahaka baya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santa Mama View Post
    that's why naay mga fossils sa every layer sa yuta para ma rewind nato ang history...
    - kung atong sabton ning imong sulti noh.. sayupa jud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yhokz101 View Post
    - kung atong sabton ning imong sulti noh.. sayupa jud.

    Paleozoic Strata

    Kaibab Limestone - This layer averages about 250 million years old and forms the surface of the Kaibab and Coconino Plateaus. It is composed primarily of a sandy limestone with a layer of sandstone below it. In some places sandstone and shale also exists as its upper layer. The color ranges from cream to a greyish-white. When viewed from the rim this layer resembles a bathtub ring and is commonly referred to as the Canyon's bathtub ring. Fossils that can be found in this layer are brachiopods, coral, mollusks, sea lilies, worms and fish teeth.

    Toroweap Formation - This layer averages about 255 million years old and is composed of pretty much the same material as the Kaibab Limestone above. It is darker in color, ranging from yellow to grey, and contains a similar fossil history.

    Coconino Sandstone - This layer averages about 260 million years old and is composed of pure quartz sand, which are basically petrified sand dunes. Wedge-shaped cross bedding can be seen where traverse-type dunes have been petrified. The color of this layer ranges from white to cream colored. No skeletal fossils have yet to be found but numerous invertebrate tracks and fossilized burrows do exist.

    Hermit Shale - This layer averages about 265 million years old and is composed of soft, easily eroded shales which have formed a slope. As the shales erode they undermine the layers sandstone and limestone layers above which causes huge blocks to fall off and into the lower reaches of the Canyon. Many of these blocks end up in the side drainages and down on the Tonto Platform. The color of this layer is a deep, rust-colored red. Fossils to be found in this layer consist of ferns, conifers and other plants, as well as some fossilized tracks of reptiles and amphibians.

    Supai Formation - This layer averages about 285 million years old and is composed primarily of shale that is intermixed with some small amounts of limestone and capped by sandstone. The limestone features become more and more prominent in the western regions of the Canyon, leading one to believe that that region was more marine. The eastern portions where probably a muddy river delta that fed into an ancient sea. The color of this layer varies from red for the shale to tan for the sandstone caps. Numerous fossils of amphibians, reptiles and terrestial plants exist in the eastern portion which are replaced by marine fossils as you move westward.

    Redwall Limestone - This layer averages about 335 million years old and is composed of marine limestones and dolomites. This is probably the most prominent rock layer in the Canyon as it usually forms a sheer cliff ranging from 400-500 feet in height, which has become a natural barrier between the upper and lower regions of the Canyon. The only way though this barrier is in areas where the rock has faulted and broken apart to form a slope which can be climbed upon. The deep reddish color of this layer is caused by iron oxides leaching out of the layers above it and staining its outward face. Behind the reddish face the rock is a dark brownish color. Numerous marine fossils can be found in the Redwall Limestone including brachiopods, clams, snails, corals, fish and trilobites. Many caves and arches can also be seen in the Redwall.

    Temple Butte Limestone - This layer averages about 350 million years old and is composed of freshwater limestone in the east and dolomite in the west. In the eastern Grand Canyon this layer occurs irregularly and only then by way of limestone lenses that fill stream beds that have been eroded into the underlaying Mauv Limestone. Apart from these channels, which are quite large in places, the Redwall Limestone sits directly atop the Mauv Limestone. The Temple Butte Limestone is quite prominent, however, in the western regions and forms massive cliffs hundreds of feet high. The color of this layer ranges from purplish in the eastern regions to grey or cream colored in the west. The only fossils to be found in the eastern region are bony plates that once belonged to freshwater fish. In the western region there are numerous marine fossils.

    Tonto Group - These layers average about 515 to 545 million years old.

    Muav Limestone - This layer averages about 515 million years old and is composed primarily of limestone that is separated by beds of sandstone and shale. The Mauv Limestone layer is much thicker in the western areas of the Canyon than it is in the east. Its color is grey and it does not have much in the way of fossils, some trilobites and brachiopods.
    Bright Angel Shale - This layer averages about 530 million years old and is composed primarily of mudstone shale. It is also interbedded with small sections of sandstone and sandy limestone. The retreat of the Canyon rim is attributed primarily to the erosion of this layer which forms the top of the Tonto Platform. The plateau is much wider in the eastern portions of the Canyon where the Bright Angel Shale contains less sand and is more easily eroded. The color of this layer varies with its compostion but it is mostly various shades of green with some grey, brown and tan thrown in here and there. Fossils to be found in this layer consist of marine animals such as trilobites and brachiopods.
    Tapeats Sandstone - This layer averages about 545 million years old and is composed of medium-grained and coarse-grained sandstone. Ripple marks formed by ocean waves of an early Cambrian sea are common in the upper layer. The Tapeats is similar to the Redwall in that it forms a barrier between upper and lower reaches of the Canyon that can only be traversed where a fault has caused its collapse. The color of this layer is dark brown and it contains fossils of trilobites. brachiopods, and trilobite trails.

    Great Unconformity
    - This non-layer indicates an age in which no sediments can be found. It is indicative of a time when an advancing sea eroded away the sediments that should be here.

    Late Pre-Cambrian Rocks

    Chuar Group - These layers average about 825 to 1,000 million years old and is composed of the following:

    Sixtymile Formation - This tan colored layer is composed primarily of sandstone with some small sections of shale.
    Kwagunt Formation - This layer is composed primarily of shale and mudstone with some limestone. In the area of Carbon Butte the lower layer also contains a large section of reddish sandstone. The shales within this layer are black and the mudstones range from red to purple. Fossils to be found in this layer are those of stromatolites, the oldest fossils to be found anywhere in the Grand Canyon.
    Galeros Formaton - This layer is composed of interbedded sandstone, limestone and shale. The color is primarily greenish with some of the shales ranging from red to purple. Fossil stromatolites also exist in this layer.

    Nankoweap Formation - This layer averages about 1,050 million years old and is composed of a coarse-grained sandstone. This layer is exposed only in the eastern section of the Canyon and belongs to neither the Chuar or Unkar groups because it is bounded on both sides by unconformities.

    Unkar Group - These layers average about 1,100 to 1,250 million years old.

    Cardenas Lavas - This dark brown layer is composed of basaltic lava flows.
    Dox Sandstone - This layer averages about 1,190 million years old, is composed of sandstone interbedded with shale, and occurs primarily in the eastern regions of the Canyon. Its color varies from red to orange and its fossil record contains stromatolites and algae.
    Shinumo Quartzite - This layer averages about 1,200 million years old and is composed of sandstone. This layer is only exposed in a few sections in the Canyon. Its color can be deep red, brown, purple or white.
    Hakatai Shale - This layer averages about 1,200 million years old and is composed primarily of shale with some sandstone. The color is a very bright orange-red red and is the layer that gives Red Canyon its name.
    Bass Formation - This layer averages about 1,250 million years old and is composed primarily of limestone with some interbedded shale. It is greyish in color and its fossil record consists of stromatolites.

    Pre-Cambrian Unconformity
    - This non-layer represents a time where the mountains that had grown here were gradually eroded away to form a plain.

    Early Pre-Cambrian Rocks
    Vishnu Schist and Zoroaster Granite - This layer averages about 1,700 to 2,000 million years old and consists of mica schist. These were originally sediments of sandstone, limestone and shale that were metamorphosed and combined with metamorphosed lava flows to form the schist. This layer along with the Zoroaster Granite were once the roots of an ancient mountain range that could have been as high as todays Rocky Mountains. The mountains were eroded away over a long period of time and new sediments were they deposited over them by advancing and retreating seas. The color of this layer is dark grey or black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santa Mama View Post
    Paleozoic Strata

    Kaibab Limestone - This layer averages about 250 million years old and forms the surface of the Kaibab and Coconino Plateaus. It is composed primarily of a sandy limestone with a layer of sandstone below it. In some places sandstone and shale also exists as its upper layer. The color ranges from cream to a greyish-white. When viewed from the rim this layer resembles a bathtub ring and is commonly referred to as the Canyon's bathtub ring. Fossils that can be found in this layer are brachiopods, coral, mollusks, sea lilies, worms and fish teeth.

    Toroweap Formation - This layer averages about 255 million years old and is composed of pretty much the same material as the Kaibab Limestone above. It is darker in color, ranging from yellow to grey, and contains a similar fossil history.

    Coconino Sandstone - This layer averages about 260 million years old and is composed of pure quartz sand, which are basically petrified sand dunes. Wedge-shaped cross bedding can be seen where traverse-type dunes have been petrified. The color of this layer ranges from white to cream colored. No skeletal fossils have yet to be found but numerous invertebrate tracks and fossilized burrows do exist.

    Hermit Shale - This layer averages about 265 million years old and is composed of soft, easily eroded shales which have formed a slope. As the shales erode they undermine the layers sandstone and limestone layers above which causes huge blocks to fall off and into the lower reaches of the Canyon. Many of these blocks end up in the side drainages and down on the Tonto Platform. The color of this layer is a deep, rust-colored red. Fossils to be found in this layer consist of ferns, conifers and other plants, as well as some fossilized tracks of reptiles and amphibians.

    Supai Formation - This layer averages about 285 million years old and is composed primarily of shale that is intermixed with some small amounts of limestone and capped by sandstone. The limestone features become more and more prominent in the western regions of the Canyon, leading one to believe that that region was more marine. The eastern portions where probably a muddy river delta that fed into an ancient sea. The color of this layer varies from red for the shale to tan for the sandstone caps. Numerous fossils of amphibians, reptiles and terrestial plants exist in the eastern portion which are replaced by marine fossils as you move westward.

    Redwall Limestone - This layer averages about 335 million years old and is composed of marine limestones and dolomites. This is probably the most prominent rock layer in the Canyon as it usually forms a sheer cliff ranging from 400-500 feet in height, which has become a natural barrier between the upper and lower regions of the Canyon. The only way though this barrier is in areas where the rock has faulted and broken apart to form a slope which can be climbed upon. The deep reddish color of this layer is caused by iron oxides leaching out of the layers above it and staining its outward face. Behind the reddish face the rock is a dark brownish color. Numerous marine fossils can be found in the Redwall Limestone including brachiopods, clams, snails, corals, fish and trilobites. Many caves and arches can also be seen in the Redwall.

    Temple Butte Limestone - This layer averages about 350 million years old and is composed of freshwater limestone in the east and dolomite in the west. In the eastern Grand Canyon this layer occurs irregularly and only then by way of limestone lenses that fill stream beds that have been eroded into the underlaying Mauv Limestone. Apart from these channels, which are quite large in places, the Redwall Limestone sits directly atop the Mauv Limestone. The Temple Butte Limestone is quite prominent, however, in the western regions and forms massive cliffs hundreds of feet high. The color of this layer ranges from purplish in the eastern regions to grey or cream colored in the west. The only fossils to be found in the eastern region are bony plates that once belonged to freshwater fish. In the western region there are numerous marine fossils.

    Tonto Group - These layers average about 515 to 545 million years old.

    Muav Limestone - This layer averages about 515 million years old and is composed primarily of limestone that is separated by beds of sandstone and shale. The Mauv Limestone layer is much thicker in the western areas of the Canyon than it is in the east. Its color is grey and it does not have much in the way of fossils, some trilobites and brachiopods.
    Bright Angel Shale - This layer averages about 530 million years old and is composed primarily of mudstone shale. It is also interbedded with small sections of sandstone and sandy limestone. The retreat of the Canyon rim is attributed primarily to the erosion of this layer which forms the top of the Tonto Platform. The plateau is much wider in the eastern portions of the Canyon where the Bright Angel Shale contains less sand and is more easily eroded. The color of this layer varies with its compostion but it is mostly various shades of green with some grey, brown and tan thrown in here and there. Fossils to be found in this layer consist of marine animals such as trilobites and brachiopods.
    Tapeats Sandstone - This layer averages about 545 million years old and is composed of medium-grained and coarse-grained sandstone. Ripple marks formed by ocean waves of an early Cambrian sea are common in the upper layer. The Tapeats is similar to the Redwall in that it forms a barrier between upper and lower reaches of the Canyon that can only be traversed where a fault has caused its collapse. The color of this layer is dark brown and it contains fossils of trilobites. brachiopods, and trilobite trails.

    Great Unconformity
    - This non-layer indicates an age in which no sediments can be found. It is indicative of a time when an advancing sea eroded away the sediments that should be here.

    Late Pre-Cambrian Rocks

    Chuar Group - These layers average about 825 to 1,000 million years old and is composed of the following:

    Sixtymile Formation - This tan colored layer is composed primarily of sandstone with some small sections of shale.
    Kwagunt Formation - This layer is composed primarily of shale and mudstone with some limestone. In the area of Carbon Butte the lower layer also contains a large section of reddish sandstone. The shales within this layer are black and the mudstones range from red to purple. Fossils to be found in this layer are those of stromatolites, the oldest fossils to be found anywhere in the Grand Canyon.
    Galeros Formaton - This layer is composed of interbedded sandstone, limestone and shale. The color is primarily greenish with some of the shales ranging from red to purple. Fossil stromatolites also exist in this layer.

    Nankoweap Formation - This layer averages about 1,050 million years old and is composed of a coarse-grained sandstone. This layer is exposed only in the eastern section of the Canyon and belongs to neither the Chuar or Unkar groups because it is bounded on both sides by unconformities.

    Unkar Group - These layers average about 1,100 to 1,250 million years old.

    Cardenas Lavas - This dark brown layer is composed of basaltic lava flows.
    Dox Sandstone - This layer averages about 1,190 million years old, is composed of sandstone interbedded with shale, and occurs primarily in the eastern regions of the Canyon. Its color varies from red to orange and its fossil record contains stromatolites and algae.
    Shinumo Quartzite - This layer averages about 1,200 million years old and is composed of sandstone. This layer is only exposed in a few sections in the Canyon. Its color can be deep red, brown, purple or white.
    Hakatai Shale - This layer averages about 1,200 million years old and is composed primarily of shale with some sandstone. The color is a very bright orange-red red and is the layer that gives Red Canyon its name.
    Bass Formation - This layer averages about 1,250 million years old and is composed primarily of limestone with some interbedded shale. It is greyish in color and its fossil record consists of stromatolites.

    Pre-Cambrian Unconformity
    - This non-layer represents a time where the mountains that had grown here were gradually eroded away to form a plain.

    Early Pre-Cambrian Rocks
    Vishnu Schist and Zoroaster Granite - This layer averages about 1,700 to 2,000 million years old and consists of mica schist. These were originally sediments of sandstone, limestone and shale that were metamorphosed and combined with metamorphosed lava flows to form the schist. This layer along with the Zoroaster Granite were once the roots of an ancient mountain range that could have been as high as todays Rocky Mountains. The mountains were eroded away over a long period of time and new sediments were they deposited over them by advancing and retreating seas. The color of this layer is dark grey or black.
    copy pasted: Grand Canyon Rock Layers

    therefor your arguments is base on FAITH. utro sd kang uto2 sad imong gibuhat pataka lang sad kag tuo without doing you own verification, mao nay imong evidence para dili ka mahimong tanga?...ngano na verify nana nimo? or nagpa uto rasad ka sa nagbuhat ana nga info

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    Ka taas baya.. Mostly sakto ka anang imong gi copy-paste. Pero not all / every layer contains "fossils"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabs7 View Post
    copy pasted: Grand Canyon Rock Layers

    therefor your arguments is base on FAITH. utro sd kang uto2 sad imong gibuhat pataka lang sad kag tuo without doing you own verification...ngano na verify nana nimo?
    sigeg balik2x oi...di jud musulud sa imong bogok nga utok??

    because extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence..

    rock layers/planet neptune/ america/ barack obama - has lots of evidence...just an ordinary claim therefor no need to verify it personally

    god the creator of the universe/ talking snakes/ jesus reviving the dead - extraordinary claim therefor requires extraordinary evidence

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    Quote Originally Posted by yhokz101 View Post
    Ka taas baya.. Mostly sakto ka anang imong gi copy-paste. Pero not all / every layer contains "fossils"..
    iya siguro ng gi verify ug kita siya didto ug fossils matag layer

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabs7 View Post
    copy pasted: Grand Canyon Rock Layers

    therefor your arguments is base on FAITH. utro sd kang uto2 sad imong gibuhat pataka lang sad kag tuo without doing you own verification, mao nay imong evidence para dili ka mahimong tanga?...ngano na verify nana nimo? or nagpa uto rasad ka sa nagbuhat ana nga info


    No argument na bro na sila pd mo rely sa faith..unya kani sila mo sulti with false confidence and naa pay mga thrash talk and name callings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santa Mama View Post
    sigeg balik2x oi...di jud musulud sa imong bogok nga utok??

    because extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence..

    rock layers/planet neptune/ america/ barack obama - has lots of evidence...just an ordinary claim therefor no need to verify it personally

    god the creator of the universe/ talking snakes/ jesus reviving the dead - extraordinary claim therefor requires extraordinary evidence
    what i want is where is your proof? mo ingon ka nga uto2x mi kay nipatuo mi sa among pagtuo nga wala man gani mi mapakita nga proof.


    karon mangita ko sa imong proof asa man? imo raman sad kong hatagan ug link nga hinimo rasad sa uban nga wala sad nimo na verify, ug tuo ka ana...therefore FAITH rasad ng imo.

    ug mag sige gyud kog balik2x ana kay natural wala man nimo tubaga....ug nahinumdom noon ko...unsa gani to definition sa THEORY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yhokz101 View Post
    No argument na bro na sila pd mo rely sa faith..unya kani sila mo sulti with false confidence and naa pay mga thrash talk and name callings.
    mao..kataw-anan lagi...tabla ra lagi ug buang sa mental ba nga gikataw-an ang iyang kauban nga buang kay buang daw. unya siya utro sad nga buang...kusog pa jud mo plagiarize ni dili gani ibutang ang source, aw sabagay maowaw siya kay mahibaw-an unyang copy paste ra..mailhan noon nga faith rasad iyhaa
    Last edited by slabs7; 12-04-2014 at 01:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slabs7 View Post
    what i want is where is your proof? mo ingon ka nga uto2x mi kay nipatuo mi sa among pagtuo nga wala man gani mi mapakita nga proof.


    karon mangita ko sa imong proof asa man? imo raman sad kong hatagan ug link nga hinimo rasad sa uban nga wala sad nimo na verify, ug tuo ka ana...therefore FAITH rasad ng imo.

    ug mag sige gyud kog balik2x ana kay natural wala man nimo tubaga....ug nahinumdom noon ko...unsa gani to definition sa THEORY?
    believing in barack obama is not faith..obama is just an ordnary claim..we have not verified barack obama personally but we know he exists because there are a lot of evidence...Tvs, newspapers, books, magazines, radios etc...no need for us to verify him personally...same applies with the rock layers..

    on the other hand, god the creator of universe...the uncaused cause... the perfect one..beyond space and time.- this is an extraordinary claim therefor requiring you to provide extraordinary evidence...faith is not an evidence to prove your G0d

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