Strong faith in God BUT Losing hope to Religions

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when theist is cornered

theist: "evolution is just a theory..I don't believe in theories"

me: " germ theory of disease is just a theory too... don't you believe that viruses and bacterias can cause illness??"

theist: " i believe the germ theory of disease however i do not believe in theory of evolution because because because... Jesus is the man"

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Kingkong is a fictional novel same as your bible

wla ka gets sa evolution sa unggoy na himong King Kong

Man's Evolution according to science is that man derive/came from an ape
pero hangtod karon it remains a theory.

Until it is proven mas mutoo pa ko nga ang unggoy will evolve to become King Kong
kaysa ma himong tao.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

It proves ignorance than knowledge? Care to elaborate this statement of yours...
And if possible, each statement...

All the more it proves ignorance than knowledge..

Atheist claim that they have more knowledge about the bible than fundamental Christian then goes ahead misrepresenting a fundamental Christian belief. Even two fundamental Christian beliefs. It shows they don't what they're saying.

or perhaps by that definition I'm not a fundamentalist..

Maybe the Atheists were right because they're referring to fundamental Christians and maybe by virtue of their definition of "fundamental Christian", I'm not a fundamental Christian.

but I do believe I'm fundamentalist

I thought I was a fundamental Christian but by atheist's definition I was wrong.

Since atheists presented a misrepresentation of basic Christian doctrines I'm inclined to believe that they are right in a sense that they know more misrepresented Christian doctrines than a Christian does. Many of us don't know you created your own pseudo-christian doctrine and call it as Christian doctrine, which many atheists, including you, are not aware they're not real church teachings and swallowed them line hook and sinker. Well, sorry not many of us are aware of this fact.

In your point of view we are gullible people but look at you, you're as gullible as much as you think we are, maybe even worse.

[slabs7]

nahilom man akong amingong bright nga si @Santa Mama natuk-an pa siguro or nag lopading ug process ang iyang high end server nga utok nga ni evolve into bacteria sa pag process unsaon niya pagtubag ang mga argumento sa uban istoryan sa maalamon nga pamaagi hahaha

[Jhared]

We only accept that we are not able to know it now. Mao bitaw ingon ni Pablo "Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." kay sa umaabot nga adlaw makasabot ra ta. So no, it's not like we stop for searching answers because we will not be able to know but rather we wait for the time for that answer to be revealed because we know that it will be revealed.

lol, paul was talking about reality which he thinks will be unfolded unto him when he dies and come face to face with his god, not really the kind i was talking about where us as living humans will try to know within our lifetime.. read the scripture fully..

you dont do anything but wait for your god to show you, i meant the kind of knowledge that we study ourselves.. the former is mediocrity and typical Juan tamad waiting for a fruit to fall down, the latter is harvesting the fruit ourselves, which to me is more rewarding.. that's why i told you it degrades our capability of understanding..

What, you expect me to be a fool? You're asking about something that's not revealed, what would you expect? You want details?

you're the only one who's calling yourself a fool.. lol..

If He has promised us that there will be no mourning, crying and pain then there will be no mourning, crying, and pain. How He will go about removing those elements is not my concern. Sa imong analogy naa gihapon ang elements nga dapat wala, so invalid. Am I numb? No the problem is your analogy not me.

so you are saying nga wa kay pakialam ug unsaon na niya? kay basta lang malipay ka sa langit bisan imong pamilya nangapaig sa impyerno? haha.. you're even worst than i expected.. lol..

why not plead god instead nga luwason to imong pamilya? or moana ka nga ull never be happy kong wala imong pamilya sa imong kiliran bisan ug makasasala to sila? because kong ako i cant live happily in heaven knowing nga naa akong pamilya sa impyerno.. did that ever crossed your mind? or imong kaugalingon ra imong gi huna2? lol

[NapoleonBlownapart]

lol, paul was talking about reality which he thinks will be unfolded unto him when he dies and come face to face with his god, not really the kind i was talking about where us as living humans will try to know within our lifetime.. read the scripture fully..

He's talking about knowledge and about prophecy. He's talking about the day these things will be revealed by God. It's right on our topic. We're talking about what will happen in the future.. mao bitaw na iya gipasabot.. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.. LOL

you dont do anything but wait for your god to show you, i meant the kind of knowledge that we study ourselves.. the former is mediocrity and typical Juan tamad waiting for a fruit to fall down, the latter is harvesting the fruit ourselves, which to me is more rewarding.. that's why i told you it degrades our capability of understanding..

huh? Are we not talking about what will happen in the future, what will happen in heaven? Kay mao na akong gipasabot nga magpaabot.. mura man ug niambak ka..

so you are saying nga wa kay pakialam ug unsaon na niya? kay basta lang malipay ka sa langit bisan imong pamilya nangapaig sa impyerno? haha.. you're even worst than i expected.. lol..

What's revealed is for us what's hidden is for the Lord. Why should I concern myself now with the details that God himself withheld? Should I reject Him because my family is not going to be saved? Should I reject Him because He has not shown me some details on the future things? Or should I reject Him because no matter how I pleaded He did not grant my plea? No way. The Lord said “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." It will pain me to see my loved ones go to hell, but I believe the Lord will heal the pain. How will he do that? Again, I don't know but that's His promise and I believe Him.

why not plead god instead nga luwason to imong pamilya? or moana ka nga ull never be happy kong wala imong pamilya sa imong kiliran bisan ug makasasala to sila? because kong ako i cant live happily in heaven knowing nga naa akong pamilya sa impyerno.. did that ever crossed your mind? or imong kaugalingon ra imong gi huna2? lol

That's exactly what I'm doing now while I'm alive and they're alive.. nganong magpaabot pa man ko nga adto sa hukmanan nga pwede man karon mentras buhi pa.. magpaabot pa ko nga ulahi na ang tanan? LOL mabawa pud..

[NapoleonBlownapart]

R.C Sproul offered some interesting insights..

There are three reasons why we worry about our future happiness in heaven when we discover that our friends or family and possibly even our own spouse is not there.

1. We don’t know who God is.

We really don't know what it means that God is holy. That is so foreign to our experience, so alien to our own existence, that we have almost no grasp whatsoever about the character and the nature of God. In fact we are so baffled by God’s holiness that more often than not we are offended by it.

2. We don’t know who we are.

What we failed to grasp ourselves is the heinousness of sin. Sin is such a regular part of our experience, a part of our nature that we say “to err is human” and thus minimize our sins and unholiness.

3. We don’t know what glorification entails.

Yes, we will get new bodies and not need glasses, hearing aids, or numerous medications. But do we meditate on the fact that there will be no need for light, because the Lamb of God will illumine everything. But that which will be most conspicuously absent in that place is sin. There won’t just be a new heavens and earth, our sanctification will reach its destination. Glorification is not exaltation. It is the perfection of our sanctification...

...Until our glorification, our concerns and our sympathies rest more with wicked human beings. But not so after our glorification. Then, we will share a greater resemblance with Jesus, and thus there will be a chasm between us (together with Jesus) and unredeemed humanity. When we are glorified, our passion will be for the vindication of God’s holiness...

Because we are so Hitler-esque, we can relate to monstrous sinners more than we can relate to Jesus Christ. That’s why we find the doctrine of hell so repugnant. That’s why we feel sorry for Uzzah when he’s killed for touching the ark (2 Sam. 6), or Aaron’s sons who were struck down for playing at worship (Lev. 10). We don’t feel as sad for the slight Uzzah and Aaron’s sons imparted to the glory of God.

But the day will come when our passion and our identification with the glory of God will be so great that our sympathies will be with God and not with our fellow creatures who belittle God’s glory. We are not there now. But in our glorification we shall be.

[Jhared]

He's talking about knowledge and about prophecy. He's talking about the day these things will be revealed by God. It's right on our topic. We're talking about what will happen in the future.. mao bitaw na iya gipasabot.. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.. LOL

we were not talking about prophesy, we were talking about intellectual improvement.. and how filling the holes with divine nonesense would affect it..

huh? Are we not talking about what will happen in the future, what will happen in heaven? Kay mao na akong gipasabot nga magpaabot.. mura man ug niambak ka..

lol.. like i said we were talking about our capability of understanding the nature of things, and how belief in deities would affect it.. you were so engrossed in talking about what will be revealed, and your own brand of divine gibberish that you lost track of what i was talking about..

What's revealed is for us what's hidden is for the Lord. Why should I concern myself now with the details that God himself withheld? Should I reject Him because my family is not going to be saved? Should I reject Him because He has not shown me some details on the future things? Or should I reject Him because no matter how I pleaded He did not grant my plea? No way. The Lord said “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." It will pain me to see my loved ones go to hell, but I believe the Lord will heal the pain. How will he do that? Again, I don't know but that's His promise and I believe Him.

That's exactly what I'm doing now while I'm alive and they're alive.. nganong magpaabot pa man ko nga adto sa hukmanan nga pwede man karon mentras buhi pa.. magpaabot pa ko nga ulahi na ang tanan? LOL mabawa pud..

so you are saying that despite the fact nga na impyerno imong pamilya nya ikaw ray nalangit, ok rka ana? when god heals the pain like you said ma happy nka sa langit bisan ug ikaw ra didto nya imong pamilya ga syagit sa kasakit hantud sa hantud?

[porbidaman]

Atheist claim that they have more knowledge about the bible than fundamental Christian then goes ahead misrepresenting a fundamental Christian belief. Even two fundamental Christian beliefs. It shows they don't what they're saying.


Maybe the Atheists were right because they're referring to fundamental Christians and maybe by virtue of their definition of "fundamental Christian", I'm not a fundamental Christian.


I thought I was a fundamental Christian but by atheist's definition I was wrong.

Since atheists presented a misrepresentation of basic Christian doctrines I'm inclined to believe that they are right in a sense that they know more misrepresented Christian doctrines than a Christian does. Many of us don't know you created your own pseudo-christian doctrine and call it as Christian doctrine, which many atheists, including you, are not aware they're not real church teachings and swallowed them line hook and sinker. Well, sorry not many of us are aware of this fact.

In your point of view we are gullible people but look at you, you're as gullible as much as you think we are, maybe even worse.

Misrepresented Christian doctrines? I call that ugly truths migo.Do remember that your Christian denomination is just one of the 38,000 denominations who have different interpretations of the Bible. Why is that? Could it be that one's interpretation is also another one's misrepresented doctrines?
Atheists are not gullible, we never believe in any deities anyway

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wla ka gets sa evolution sa unggoy na himong King Kong

Man's Evolution according to science is that man derive/came from an ape
pero hangtod karon it remains a theory.

Until it is proven mas mutoo pa ko nga ang unggoy will evolve to become King Kong
kaysa ma himong tao.

Do you have a link that shows that men came from apes?

[NapoleonBlownapart]

we were not talking about prophesy, we were talking about intellectual improvement.. and how filling the holes with divine nonesense would affect it..

lol.. like i said we were talking about our capability of understanding the nature of things, and how belief in deities would affect it.. you were so engrossed in talking about what will be revealed, and your own brand of divine gibberish that you lost track of what i was talking about..

If it's intellectual improvement then I'm with you on that. Intellectual improvement didn't stop because of belief of God. There are many scientist who believe in God and I think it's something that is something that cannot be argued.

so you are saying that despite the fact nga na impyerno imong pamilya nya ikaw ray nalangit, ok rka ana? when god heals the pain like you said ma happy nka sa langit bisan ug ikaw ra didto nya imong pamilya ga syagit sa kasakit hantud sa hantud?

Alangan akong pugson kon magpatuyang sila sa ilang gibati.. Kon pwede pa lang d.i nako sila pugson nga motuo aw ako silang pugson pero wa man ni pinugsanay.. Kon ma impyerno sila wa na koy mahimo ana.. Ok ra ba ko ana? sakit palandungon pero di man sila motuo wa na koy mahimo..

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Misrepresented Christian doctrines? I call that ugly truths migo.Do remember that your Christian denomination is just one of the 38,000 denominations who have different interpretations of the Bible. Why is that? Could it be that one's interpretation is also another one's misrepresented doctrines?
Atheists are not gullible, we never believe in any deities anyway

LOL.. how can you call it truth when it's not even what Christians teach. You don't believe in the bible but you believe what your fellow atheist say about "what Christians believe" even if it's not really what we believe so it's the same

[SioDenz]

not necessarily para ma relevant mi, just posting the fundamentals of being a die hard Christian, are they true?
ya, you can say that nga nisakay mi sa THEISM, like "wa nami nagpailad sa simbahan"

Wa mu nagpailad? nganu mag EFFORT man mug samok samok sa mga Theist, nganu mangugat man mug Argue about Theism or Christianity - NGA ang Fundamentals sa ATHEISM is INDIVIDUALISM man? UNSA mga LOGIC atung basehan nag ang ISA ka TAWO nihangop sa IDEA nga INDIVIDUALISM MAngusog man nuon nga MU CONVINCE sa laing mga TAWO to FOLLOW Him on his Belief? di ba kataw anan pas joke ni TEBAN na?

So Atheist who follow individualism has the URGE and concern to Convince other people to follow his ideals? WOW how noble of you.


Fundamentals of Die Hard Christians? duna diay LIST ana? paki list daw...