Evolution Original Sin and Everything in Between in Harmony?

[JX]

^^those things you mentioned can be measured. except faith.

can faith be measured? nope. how much faith needed for you to belive in god? a mustard seed.(from bible)

i have faith a size of a mongo seed that there are pink flowers that grow on the planet venus. hehehe

but then there is no such thing as exact measurement. then men resort to the closest and agree on it.
faith can be measured, but in different agreed terms..

[bcasabee]

Sorry bro, akoang ipasabot is mas nindot ang imong example sa bungol na at birth, akoa lang gi pun an ug buta at birth.

I think this way way better example of a reality issue. Also ang mga buta at birth pud diay.......how can they say that light is real? How can they tell that they're fellow are not lying to them when someone will tell them how beautiful the color of the world is?

pareha lng sir bcasabee oi..

[JX]

@bcasabee

hnuon, i agree btaw.. mas sayon i.explain ang buta ug sa color, kay sa bongol ug sound, kay ug kusog ang sound mo.vibrate na man, naa ghapon lusot sa 5 senses.. hehe.. :mrgreen:

[Sinyalan]

Buta o Bungol wa silay laing senses nga feel nila? Hatag kuno ug at least one sa 5 senses nga makuha ninyo gikan sa ginoo?

[JX]

pra nko tanang senses magamit.. apil pa gni sixth sense.. hehehe.
beauty of creation for example.. makita man nko..

[bcasabee]

How about ang buta at birth bro, ayaw ko ingna dili siya mo to-o ug light kay wala siya kita. Kung dili siya mo to-o aw, alangan imong pugson nga dili man siya kita. Even if you would tell him that the sky is blue and that buta is goodlooking. All that buta can do is have "faith" on the guy that the sky is blue. The buta doesn't even know what is blue, you would run into trouble explaining what blue, red or yellow is when he/she asks. If that buta won't be satisfied with your exhaustive but non substantial explanations, just expect the usual debate since the buta will think that all of you are just the same, mga buta, since there is no way for him to verify that all of you are not born buta.

In the case of sound bro, kung grabe ang intensity sa sound nga it can break a glass or create a tornado, for a "specie" nga bungol na daan in nature, what those ignorant fools can conclude is that the broken glass and the tornado was caused by a mysterious magical thing. Even if that creature will experience the vibrations of the air (as like when your near a high power outdoor speakers used in concerts), that foolish creature will still conclude that some form of spirit has
touched him. Unless one of their scientist/philisopher/mathematician fellow bungol will rise and will not be afraid to preached to the fellow bungols that those magical things were cause by a thing referred to the humans as "sound". Well, those fellow ignorant bungols can do is just have faith on that preacher or if they are not satisfied of the explanations, what they can do is make their own experimentation and explain the broken glass, tornado and spirit touch magic by themselves, instead of mocking the earlier preacher.

In our case bro, mathematicians and scientists have noticed anomalies in their day to day research which they cannot really explain, but know there is something out there, somewhere. Ironically, those educated men and women think that someone created on purpose those things they are trying to "reversed engineer", for how could they "reverse
engineer" those things if those things weren't engineered in the beginning?

"God, doesn't play dice" by the famous Einstein, one of the most famous scientist of all time.

huna-huna kuno brod ug ma taste ba nimo ang sound... you're being literal. Ngano dili diay na nimo ma-feel ang sound? Unya wala na ma-apil sa 5 senses?

[JX]

How about ang buta at birth bro, ayaw ko ingna dili siya mo to-o ug light kay wala siya kita. Kung dili siya mo to-o aw, alangan imong pugson nga dili man siya kita. Even if you would tell him that the sky is blue and that buta is goodlooking. All that buta can do is have "faith" on the guy that the sky is blue. The buta doesn't even know what is blue, you would run into trouble explaining what blue, red or yellow is when he/she asks. If that buta won't be satisfied with your exhaustive but non substantial explanations, just expect the usual debate since the buta will think that all of you are just the same, mga buta, since there is no way for him to verify that all of you are not born buta.

In the case of sound bro, kung grabe ang intensity sa sound nga it can break a glass or create a tornado, for a "specie" nga bungol na daan in nature, what those ignorant fools can conclude is that the broken glass and the tornado was caused by a mysterious magical thing. Even if that creature will experience the vibrations of the air (as like when your near a high power outdoor speakers used in concerts), that foolish creature will still conclude that some form of spirit has
touched him. Unless one of their scientist/philisopher/mathematician fellow bungol will rise and will not be afraid to preached to the fellow bungols that those magical things were cause by a thing referred to the humans as "sound". Well, those fellow ignorant bungols can do is just have faith on that preacher or if they are not satisfied of the explanations, what they can do is make their own experimentation and explain the broken glass, tornado and spirit touch magic by themselves, instead of mocking the earlier preacher.

In our case bro, mathematicians and scientists have noticed anomalies in their day to day research which they cannot really explain, but know there is something out there, somewhere. Ironically, those educated men and women think that someone created on purpose those things they are trying to "reversed engineer", for how could they "reverse
engineer" those things if those things weren't engineered in the beginning?

"God, doesn't play dice" by the famous Einstein, one of the most famous scientist of all time.

exactly.. hehehe brilliant!

[Sinyalan]

How about ang buta at birth bro, ayaw ko ingna dili siya mo to-o ug light kay wala siya kita. Kung dili siya mo to-o aw, alangan imong pugson nga dili man siya kita. Even if you would tell him that the sky is blue and that buta is goodlooking. All that buta can do is have "faith" on the guy that the sky is blue. The buta doesn't even know what is blue, you would run into trouble explaining what blue, red or yellow is when he/she asks. If that buta won't be satisfied with your exhaustive but non substantial explanations, just expect the usual debate since the buta will think that all of you are just the same, mga buta, since there is no way for him to verify that all of you are not born buta.

Exactly... let's just say we are all blind... motoo kaha ta sa sulti sa ginoo?

If your god is as supernatural and supreme powerful... he could have given that blind man eyes to see aron motoo nga naay ginoo.

On pilosopo side: Unsa man nga light? sunlight, florescent light, Incandescent light, candle light, Lightning? specific man kaha... if you tell him about his looks... motuo kaha ang buta sa imong sulti? taga-i ug samin aron mutoo.

In the case of sound bro, kung grabe ang intensity sa sound nga it can break a glass or create a tornado, for a "specie" nga bungol na daan in nature, what those ignorant fools can conclude is that the broken glass and the tornado was caused by a mysterious magical thing.

That my friend is an assumption... do you think that all deaf people are religious? Tornado along can tell the deaf person if its a calamity or something... thus he feels it through his skin... again, there is one of the 5 senses. God can't give those senses to a bungol.

Even if that creature will experience the vibrations of the air (as like when your near a high power outdoor speakers used in concerts), that foolish creature will still conclude that some form of spirit has touched him.

Again, that's an assumption... to you it's spirit but to others no. Do you have to generalize everything that is happening through "unexplained" phenomenon as god's? Of course right? Because... it says in the bible.

Unless one of their scientist/philisopher/mathematician fellow bungol will rise and will not be afraid to preached to the fellow bungols that those magical things were cause by a thing referred to the humans as "sound". Well, those fellow ignorant bungols can do is just have faith on that preacher or if they are not satisfied of the explanations, what they can do is make their own experimentation and explain the broken glass, tornado and spirit touch magic by themselves, instead of mocking the earlier preacher.

Have you "heard" of a doctor who had Cochlear Implants and treated his fellow bungols? Bungols have other abilities to describe things... you just assumed that all that bungols see is through faith...

In our case bro, mathematicians and scientists have noticed anomalies in their day to day research which they cannot really explain, but know there is something out there, somewhere. Ironically, those educated men and women think that someone created on purpose those things they are trying to "reversed engineer", for how could they "reverse
engineer" those things if those things weren't engineered in the beginning?

you lost me here brod...

"God, doesn't play dice" by the famous Einstein, one of the most famous scientist of all time.

He did... read the newspapers and TVs, do you think that god did not play dice? He plays dice... he gambled with it too.

[bcasabee]

"God, doesn't play dice" said by Einstein with authority. If you question him, patas-i sa imong IQ para maka tupong niya.

He did... read the newspapers and TVs, do you think that god did not play dice? He plays dice... he gambled with it too.

[Sinyalan]

"God, doesn't play dice" said by Einstein with authority. If you question him, patas-i sa imong IQ para maka tupong niya.

Ngano siya ra diay naay authority to say something logical?