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  1. #191

    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    So you are ANTI Religion now?

    Nigawas nang tinuod nimung Color?

    So question, How does the Business nature of a Church Help your belief of NON existence?
    Not much Siodz

  2. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Impossible if you consider that in this world there is such thing as the DEVIL.

    You can Scour the HISTORY of Mankind and You CANNOT Find any time where ALL HUMANS are UNITED in their Belief. If wala nahimu sa Una nga GAMAY pang tawo, samot na run. And Even if Humankind WANTS to unite, the DEVIL will not allow that.


    Buhat ug Maayu? Maau based on WHAT? Which teachings? You see, kana palan daan Impossible na..

    Adam and Eve have different belief, and also their sons.. so kadtung isa pa kabuok pamilya nga naa sa Kalibutan Wala nay Unity. Unsa pa kaha run?
    Quote Originally Posted by NapoleonBlownapart View Post
    There's a big chance you end up self-righteous.. magbuhat ka ug maayo? kang kinsa nga standard imong gibasehan? sayop man sad gud imong pangutana brad.. dapat di ka mangutana ug unsay maayo para niya.. dapat mangutana ka unsay maayo buhaton para sa Ginoo.. lol
    Hopefully dili unta ni mahimong away.. I love to listen but if somebody doesn't want to, then will move on..
    I totally agree BUT hopefully imo ablihan gamy imo huna2 to see how UNITY becomes possible and how it works.
    Imo man gi generalize ang "UNITED" nga word w/c is very impossible as we agreed.

    EVERY Religion in this world have their own GROUP of PEOPLE, so this simply means they are UNITED by their own thoughts and beliefs. So with ISLAM, Hinduism, Buddhism etc.. so you cannot say "You CANNOT Find any time where ALL HUMANS are UNITED in their Belief"..
    Ayaw na ug lalis ani about "UNITY" sa human ha. If naa ka lain explanation about UNITY then I think dili ta mag-abot gihapon ky mao ra na ako pasabot ug ipasabot how it becomes possible..

    God gave us the superior intelligence over other living things. So why asking these: "Maau based on WHAT?", "Which teachings?", "kang kinsa nga standard imong gibasehan?".
    (Aside sa balaod sa kalibutan)Dili diay pwede kita ray mo distinguish unsaon pagbuhat ug MAAYO? kinahanglan diay ka ug BASEHAN para mkaingon ta nga MAAYO imo gibuhat?

    Dili man gud ni SCIENCE ato gihisgutan na kinahanglan ug basis. kay kung feel gyud ninyo ni @NapoleonBlownapart nga kinahanglan gyud nga naay basihan, aw (bisan kontra sa imo kaugalingong huna2) sakto diay ang PAGPATAY sa tawo ky gitudlo mana sa uban relihiyon. Mao nga if pulos lang "based on WHAT?" or "teachings" imo basihan, sayang kaau ang gihatag sa Ginoo nimo nga panghuna2.

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  4. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by rafee View Post
    God gave us the superior intelligence over other living things. So why asking these: "Maau based on WHAT?", "Which teachings?", "kang kinsa nga standard imong gibasehan?".
    syempre naa kay basehan nga standard.. alangan maghimo2 ra kag imo.. hayahay kaayo ang life murag way ma impyerno kay everyone will live according to their own standard of "goodness". To the pagans worshiping different gods is good. To the Jews worshipping the one true God is good. Di pwede puro maayo na silang duha.. naay isa ana nga di maayo. Kon atong basehan na imong argumento silang duha sakto. Pero di man na mahimo nga silang duha sakto.

    (Aside sa balaod sa kalibutan)Dili diay pwede kita ray mo distinguish unsaon pagbuhat ug MAAYO? kinahanglan diay ka ug BASEHAN para mkaingon ta nga MAAYO imo gibuhat?

    Dili man gud ni SCIENCE ato gihisgutan na kinahanglan ug basis. kay kung feel gyud ninyo ni @NapoleonBlownapart nga kinahanglan gyud nga naay basihan, aw (bisan kontra sa imo kaugalingong huna2) sakto diay ang PAGPATAY sa tawo ky gitudlo mana sa uban relihiyon. Mao nga if pulos lang "based on WHAT?" or "teachings" imo basihan, sayang kaau ang gihatag sa Ginoo nimo nga panghuna2.
    Di bitaw science but that doesn't mean we are not going to be objective anymore. Christians man kayha ta? naa tay gibasehan na standard di atoang kaugalingong huna-huna nga standard.

    oi.. kuyaw man na imoha brad.. naa may mga taong luag ug tornilyo mao bitaw nang naay mga serial killer. Sa ilang huna-huna ok ra nang pagpatay, pero para nato di na madawat ilang gihimo. Naa sad kultura nga ang ilang asawa ipadulog sa ilahang bisita igkabie as hospitality, sa ilang huna-huna maayo na pero para nato dili. Mao nang kinahanglan kag standard, di lang base sa imong kaugalingong huna-huna. Bisan gani kana imong standard of morality di man na imo gikan. Gikan na sa imong ginikanan nga nag tudlo nimo pagkabata nimo nga kani maayo kani dili. So you're basing on some teaching not from your own.

    Ayaw ug kabalaka brad di ko palaaway
    Last edited by NapoleonBlownapart; 11-26-2014 at 09:12 AM.

  5. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Jhared View Post
    if you read his point, he meant the same idea.
    but do indulge me and tell me kong unsay nakalahi
    The same here.. I would like to know unsa nkalahi?

    Perhaps I agree sir @NapoleonBlownapart.
    BUT what are the standards you are referring to?

    (pls take note that I already indicated "law of the land" as part of my basis)
    Imo mn gihimo example ang "serial killer" ug "kultura" nga pakigdulog sa asawa sa bisita w/c are NOT relevant towards our topic ky kani mga butanga imo gi-mention are all against the law..

    Pacensya na ha pero general ra kaayo imo pagsabot sa akoang words nga "pagbuhat ug maayo" (I don't know if nag refer pba ka ani)

    Ako man unta pasabot ana nga dili kinahanglan pa moduol or mangutana pa sa mga dagko sa simbahan/leader and "FOLLOW" it kung pwede ra kita ang mka analyze (initiative) unsay sakto ..

    Another question sir: "What if wla ka kaauyon sa ila interpretation", imo ba gihapon nga sundon for the sake of your "Basis" or "Standardization"?

  6. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by rafee View Post
    The same here.. I would like to know unsa nkalahi?

    Perhaps I agree sir @NapoleonBlownapart.
    BUT what are the standards you are referring to?

    (pls take note that I already indicated "law of the land" as part of my basis)
    Imo mn gihimo example ang "serial killer" ug "kultura" nga pakigdulog sa asawa sa bisita w/c are NOT relevant towards our topic ky kani mga butanga imo gi-mention are all against the law..
    Niingon man gud ka aside sa law of the land kinahanglan ba d.i ta ug basis. If imong punto is treat the law of the land as a given you could have chosen another word instead of aside. Kay pag-ingon nimong aside I understand it as irrelevant na ang law of the land or kuhaon na sya sa scenario.

    Pacensya na ha pero general ra kaayo imo pagsabot sa akoang words nga "pagbuhat ug maayo" (I don't know if nag refer pba ka ani)

    Ako man unta pasabot ana nga dili kinahanglan pa moduol or mangutana pa sa mga dagko sa simbahan/leader and "FOLLOW" it kung pwede ra kita ang mka analyze (initiative) unsay sakto ..
    Aw if nakabalo na ka na mao na ilang gitudlo syempre di na ka kinahanglan pang moduol.. para unsa pa man imong pagduol nga kabalo na man ka nga mao na ilang pasabot? If imong tuyo is mangutana to confirm sa imo pagsabot aw ok ra mangutana ka..

    Another question sir: "What if wla ka kaauyon sa ila interpretation", imo ba gihapon nga sundon for the sake of your "Basis" or "Standardization"?
    Nganong wa man sad ka kauyon? Wa ka kauyon kay natandog imong habit? Di na pwede nga wa ka kauyon kay naigo ka sa wali sa pari.. sa giingon na ni Pablo All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. If wa ka kauyon kay na rebuke ka or na correctionan ka then way problema ang interpretation. Kon tan-aw nimo naa di mao ilang interpretation dapat naa kay imong sound interpretation unya storyaon ninyo ngano ingon-ana imo interpretation. I'm not sure if approachable ba sad ang mga pari though.. siguro naa.. Di man sad pasabot nga kon unsay ilang giingon dapat jud na tuhuan dayon.. di man ta mindless drone.. kinahanglan man sad ka magtuon just like what the Bereans did. Ingon pa si Lucas "Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." Si Pablo na gani na nag wali nila pero ila gihapong gisusi kon tinuod ba jud na iyang gisulti.

    Bottomline ang atong pasukaran tanan is ang bible.
    Last edited by NapoleonBlownapart; 11-26-2014 at 12:11 PM.

  7. #197
    I feel you bro. Back in my high school days; we were taught what real Cristianism is. When I went outside that school, I was still praying in the same church but my faith faded year after year. Why? The practices here outside are extremely far-fetched and illogical at some point. Hence, I still believe in the One God; however, I don't know which religion truly put its words into actions.


    Quote Originally Posted by rafee View Post
    I guess I need to share my experience on how I still believe in God (whatever the other religion call it), Jesus, Mary and Saints BUT ending NOT believing the practices that the churches and most religious leaders teachings (of course I'm still following the good traits).

    Sauna nag serve ko sa 1 of the biggest church in cebu and believing almost everything I've heard from priests..

    Mao ni ilaha itudlo :
    ..."Kinahanglan mapasayloon, magpabilin nga mapaubsanon ug matinabangon"...
    ..."Ang ubos ipataas ug ang taas ipaubos"...

    ... and the rest of good things...

    To start and cut my story short...

    1 day na shock ko ky naa known donor sa church (businesswoman) nga mosulod sa church bisan close na (9pm+) ky mg ampo ug kini gipasulod.. (ingani nga time naa pa pa sad tawo ang cimbahan ky naa pa mga choir mg practice.)..

    Pero nilabay nlng ang lain mga tuig, mao gihapon ang buhaton if naa mga big donors or known personalities nga mosulod ky mo visit lng ni father or mo stay lng sa simbahan ky naa sila family problems etc... maka sulod or maka tulog sa sulod.. aircon pa..

    Ang nka shock nko ky sa akong pagsabot, ang simbahan kitukod pra sa katawhan. Pero sa pila nko katuig sa simbahan mobagyo mn or kusog lang nga uwan or baha if gabii na wla gyud ko kita ug mga tindera sa kandila or tawo nga nghigda gwas sa simbahan nga GIPASULOD ky mao ang mando sa mga pari. (Of course in my thought its still right ky bacin mangawat..)

    Pero dako sd nko nga pagka shock nga dagko mn diay ni KITA (take home pay ***I dont know unsa jud pangan ana ky dili mn pud na mtawag nga sweldo***) ang mga pari.. with allowance pa..samot na ang mga naay position sa simbahan. If naa mga personal nga lakaw, usahay mg pa refund pa.. (so dili jud makuhaan ang ila mga take home pay)..

    So meaning...ang mahal nga relo, or mahalon nga gamit sa mga church leaders pwede na mka pakaon ug pipila ka mga tawo nga mglisod gyud intawn ug kaon ka 3 sa 1 ka kaadlaw.

    Worst case is mgka bikil pa tungod sa position sa simbahan.


    Of course tawo rmn ni sila PERO dili unta dapat mahitabo or ilahang buhaton ky mao mn na ilahang gisudlan. "They call it a CALL and NOT a profession..."

    Mao ng start nko ug kalibog ug unsa jud ning religion. Maau ang ipangtudlo pero if magka dugay na ang pari mahimo nmn opposite ang uban niya binuhatan ug kuyog na apil ang mga church policies..

    Wala na pari cguro mosugot nga wlay bayad(Donation man gihapon ila itawag bisan naa na amount) ang pgkasal, lubong, bunyag etc... nga "for Poor" mn ilaha permi isulti..

    ...Ang ending cguro nga close assessment nako is mas powerful ang KWARTA kaysa pgtuo sa imohang Religion...

    "So I guess Religion is no different to government politics...
    even if the law separates them both.."


  8. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by kennyadry View Post
    I think this is the saddest thing about religion...But Just focus your faith in Jesus Christ pre...Religions make mistakes because they are human as we are...
    Question, Malinaw kaha ang kalibutan KARUN if WALAY Religion? or if Wagtangun karun ang religion?

  9. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by rafee View Post
    Hopefully dili unta ni mahimong away.. I love to listen but if somebody doesn't want to, then will move on..
    I totally agree BUT hopefully imo ablihan gamy imo huna2 to see how UNITY becomes possible and how it works.
    Imo man gi generalize ang "UNITED" nga word w/c is very impossible as we agreed.

    EVERY Religion in this world have their own GROUP of PEOPLE, so this simply means they are UNITED by their own thoughts and beliefs. So with ISLAM, Hinduism, Buddhism etc.. so you cannot say "You CANNOT Find any time where ALL HUMANS are UNITED in their Belief"..
    Ayaw na ug lalis ani about "UNITY" sa human ha. If naa ka lain explanation about UNITY then I think dili ta mag-abot gihapon ky mao ra na ako pasabot ug ipasabot how it becomes possible..

    God gave us the superior intelligence over other living things. So why asking these: "Maau based on WHAT?", "Which teachings?", "kang kinsa nga standard imong gibasehan?".
    (Aside sa balaod sa kalibutan)Dili diay pwede kita ray mo distinguish unsaon pagbuhat ug MAAYO? kinahanglan diay ka ug BASEHAN para mkaingon ta nga MAAYO imo gibuhat?

    Dili man gud ni SCIENCE ato gihisgutan na kinahanglan ug basis. kay kung feel gyud ninyo ni @NapoleonBlownapart nga kinahanglan gyud nga naay basihan, aw (bisan kontra sa imo kaugalingong huna2) sakto diay ang PAGPATAY sa tawo ky gitudlo mana sa uban relihiyon. Mao nga if pulos lang "based on WHAT?" or "teachings" imo basihan, sayang kaau ang gihatag sa Ginoo nimo nga panghuna2.
    I said ALL HUMANKIND... Not SOME humans..


    Theres No need for basis to do Good? can you justify that?

    Everything has basis. God Does Not Talk to us Directly, we only have the Written of Spoken tradition to follow. AND IF its written, then it will HAVE different interpretation even if you dont have any Religion. If you put 2 people and let them Read something from the same Bible, they will always have Different interpretation.

    You said BALAOD sa kalibutan? thats a solid proof nga we need to have BASIS on everything we do.

    You said:
    "Dili diay pwede kita ray mo distinguish unsaon pagbuhat ug MAAYO?" - Mura man ka ani ug Atheist or following the concept of individualism.

    Theism ALSO need Basis, We are not Born with the TEACHINGS... Belief or FAITH is not a Standalone concept. True Faith and Belief comes with UNDERSTANDING on what you believed IN.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by rafee View Post
    (pls take note that I already indicated "law of the land" as part of my basis)
    Can you elaborate on your so called LAW of the LAND? what are those? WHICH land?

  10. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Question, Malinaw kaha ang kalibutan KARUN if WALAY Religion? or if Wagtangun karun ang religion?
    Dili gihapon pre...man by nature mubuhat man jud ug dautan...Mahibong man gani tah nga bisan di ta tudluan ug sayop ang itudlo sa ato kay sakto...ang buhaton sayop gihapon

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